Steely_Dan
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Mon Jan-07-08 03:01 PM
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I respect what you are saying and you know how much I support Biden....And I too, would like to place the blame somewhere (not that Iowa doesn't share in some of that responsibility). The fact is, Joe's campaign also must share some responsibility...but not all of it. I have spoken with a dozen people on the "inside" over the past several days. Almost all of them have placed at least some blame on Biden's campaign team. I won't list where they screwed up...but trust me, if you think about it, there are a number of missed opportunities, organizational issues, etc. etc. For me, it was the combination of things that resulted in a very poor showing.
Once again...I understand where you are coming from and I also believe that the system in Iowa was flawed. However, we have to be willing to accept the fact that Joe's campaign team was not perfect.
-Paige
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ShariJH |
Jan-06-08 07:44 AM |
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The fact that one of his precinct captains immediately left for Edwards |
monmouth |
Jan-06-08 08:18 AM |
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In my precinct the captain immediately bailed for Richardson. Sad. |
youthere |
Jan-07-08 11:59 AM |
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Ouch, that's gotta hurt |
tsegat01 |
Jan-07-08 12:44 PM |
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Yep. She didn't even make an attempt at an argument for him... |
youthere |
Jan-07-08 01:24 PM |
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Please explain how they were 'cheated' out of their 'votes' |
Debi |
Jan-06-08 08:40 AM |
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Debi: |
demommom |
Jan-06-08 09:05 AM |
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Oh, you are correct. |
Debi |
Jan-06-08 09:07 AM |
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One thing... |
1corona4u |
Jan-06-08 10:19 AM |
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Since we have agreed to disagree regarding primary vs. caucus |
Debi |
Jan-06-08 10:44 AM |
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You know what Debi? |
demommom |
Jan-06-08 01:03 PM |
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We are all still in a state of shock and grief |
tsegat01 |
Jan-06-08 01:28 PM |
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As if in my entire lifetime I will give a flying fuck what you say about me on an anonymous message |
Debi |
Jan-06-08 05:58 PM |
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Your language is |
elleng |
Jan-07-08 01:51 AM |
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The language looks very strange juxtaposed with the |
NCarolinawoman |
Jan-07-08 09:12 AM |
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You are correct. However, even the most 'hospitable' person must draw the line somewhere |
Debi |
Jan-07-08 10:50 AM |
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I agree, it is not. |
Debi |
Jan-07-08 10:41 AM |
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Wow, Iowans really curse like that? |
48percenter |
Jan-07-08 10:44 AM |
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Well, after reading the comments posted since 9:00 PM on January 3rd |
Debi |
Jan-07-08 11:15 AM |
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I'm not PM'ing anyone to respond to your post |
48percenter |
Jan-07-08 11:36 AM |
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I will agree - any state that is first will do anything to retain that position |
Debi |
Jan-07-08 12:01 PM |
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I read an interesting blurb about the history of caucusing in Iowa -- and Iowa's |
gateley |
Jan-07-08 12:18 PM |
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You're dead on - IA and NH were supposed to be easier to compete |
Debi |
Jan-07-08 12:36 PM |
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I had to look up internecine. :-) nt |
gateley |
Jan-07-08 12:05 PM |
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Thank you for your reasoned post. |
DesertedRose |
Jan-07-08 12:21 PM |
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Debi |
1corona4u |
Jan-07-08 11:44 AM |
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Are you asking me to leave? |
Debi |
Jan-07-08 12:15 PM |
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I'm not asking you to leave... |
1corona4u |
Jan-07-08 01:29 PM |
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Got it - I don't talk about Iowa and we all get along. |
Debi |
Jan-07-08 02:21 PM |
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Well, your state caused it... |
1corona4u |
Jan-07-08 02:33 PM |
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You post reminds me of the Blame Canada song from the South Park movie |
Debi |
Jan-07-08 02:40 PM |
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And your refusal to admit your state fucked up |
1corona4u |
Jan-07-08 02:43 PM |
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But you said I wasn't every Iowan |
Debi |
Jan-07-08 03:04 PM |
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Corona... |
Steely_Dan |
Jan-07-08 03:01 PM |
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Steely.... |
1corona4u |
Jan-07-08 03:42 PM |
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A little short-sighted |
DesertedRose |
Jan-07-08 12:16 PM |
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Yep, these articles show up every four years |
Debi |
Jan-07-08 12:19 PM |
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I think Biden and Dodd are smart enough not to do that in public |
DesertedRose |
Jan-07-08 12:25 PM |
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Are you saying they lie? |
Debi |
Jan-07-08 12:51 PM |
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OK, now you are being unnecessarily hostile. |
DesertedRose |
Jan-07-08 02:18 PM |
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No, I'm not looking for a fight |
Debi |
Jan-07-08 02:29 PM |
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Maybe I haven't read up enough on their final statements, but |
DesertedRose |
Jan-07-08 02:41 PM |
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No hostility n/t |
Debi |
Jan-07-08 03:13 PM |
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I was pissed about the primary process in 2004!! |
48percenter |
Jan-07-08 12:43 PM |
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As a Clark supporter you should be pissed at the Clinton's and their supporters |
Debi |
Jan-07-08 12:58 PM |
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I'm more annoyed that he endorsed Hillary n/t |
48percenter |
Jan-07-08 01:42 PM |
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I have a strange feeling there is a quid pro quo at work there |
Debi |
Jan-07-08 02:11 PM |
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I don't like to think Clark is that calculating |
48percenter |
Jan-07-08 02:18 PM |
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The General is too good of a man to be like the Clintons |
Debi |
Jan-07-08 02:32 PM |
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I haven't received any PM's |
tsegat01 |
Jan-07-08 12:26 PM |
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Eloquently stated |
DesertedRose |
Jan-07-08 12:29 PM |
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I think ABC effectively pulled the plug on Dodd's and Biden's campaigns by |
gateley |
Jan-07-08 12:31 PM |
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I am sorry about the loss as well - and I came here for comfort too |
Debi |
Jan-07-08 12:49 PM |
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not all iowas curse like that |
cbear70 |
Jan-07-08 07:56 PM |
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Debi |
demommom |
Jan-07-08 09:21 PM |
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Doesn't seem to me |
BenV |
Jan-06-08 10:08 AM |
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can someone point me to the BSI group? |
cbear70 |
Jan-06-08 11:17 AM |
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cbear and all, |
elleng |
Jan-07-08 07:51 AM |
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I contacted him last night, and have not heard back yet... |
1corona4u |
Jan-07-08 11:00 AM |
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At this point I'm just thinking that Joe didn't have enough people, period. |
gateley |
Jan-06-08 12:23 PM |
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The media, lack of $$$ and high Dem turnout |
48percenter |
Jan-06-08 01:24 PM |
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Joe would have received 14 of 231 votes. |
Frustratedlady |
Jan-07-08 12:29 PM |
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Well, I found all of the counties online... |
1corona4u |
Jan-07-08 10:56 AM |
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That was interesting - and in a weird way, made me feel better. |
pirhana |
Jan-07-08 12:26 PM |
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I don't believe Joe would have benefitted from a straight up or down vote... |
youthere |
Jan-07-08 12:09 PM |
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You are right....except.. |
pirhana |
Jan-07-08 12:22 PM |
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I figured his "staying in until the end of January" was based on the assumption |
gateley |
Jan-07-08 12:49 PM |
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We were set, if we hadn't been inundated by Dems appearing beyond normal. |
Frustratedlady |
Jan-07-08 12:58 PM |
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I blame most of this on the media |
48percenter |
Jan-07-08 12:48 PM |
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Agree. |
gateley |
Jan-07-08 12:50 PM |
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Good for your father. |
Frustratedlady |
Jan-07-08 12:55 PM |
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I love your dad! |
pirhana |
Jan-07-08 08:09 PM |
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Clinton would have 'won' in our precinct |
Debi |
Jan-07-08 01:10 PM |
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Actually I am glad that she who would be queen |
48percenter |
Jan-07-08 02:08 PM |
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Yeah - young women sunk her battleship! |
Debi |
Jan-07-08 02:37 PM |
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I think Clinton is sunk in NH. My Dad has been giving me |
48percenter |
Jan-07-08 02:44 PM |
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And John McCain unfortunately |
tsegat01 |
Jan-07-08 06:36 PM |
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Sigh. |
gateley |
Jan-07-08 09:10 PM |
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