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26. I will agree - any state that is first will do anything to retain that position
Bill Gardner almost set his primary for December 11th 2007 just to stay first!

Carl Levin wants one thing only - that is to be first. Michigan SO messed up their early 'caucus' in 2004 (it was really a primary but they called it a caucus in order to move up in the process - the state party was so unprepared that they didn't have polling places in precincts...incidentally the problems occurred in 6 mainly african-american precincts and never did end up with a clear 'count' b/c of lack of ballots) that the DNC pretty much laughed when they applied to be one of the early states. Levin has a true hatred of New Hampshire (and only slightly less of a hatred of Iowa) going back decades.

Attempting to put my feelings for Iowa aside, I worry about 'regional' primaries b/c I think we'll still see the smaller states over-looked for the more voter-rich states in those regions. And then because larger populations cost more to run in (not only tv/radio time but office space, apartment rental, food and supplies) we'll see less retail politics and more of tarmac-to-tarmac and tv ad campaigns (even with public financing - costs will be high and personal contact with the voters will suffer - but at least every candidate will be equal in their endeavors).

I'd rather see a few small - contiguous states go first (allowing candidates to have a centralized campaign HQ and travel time between the states and media coverage will be overlapping which will save in costs too) and then one large state go with a couple of weeks before and a couple of weeks after, allowing for campaign time and recovery time. (As long as the small state delegate count isn't over-shadowed by the large state delegate count - or again the small states would be ignored and campaigns would only focus on the large state - ask Rudy Guiliani about that).

One other thought - and only a thought. I don't think Congress will every be allowed to govern the state parties in the primary process. Sure, a bill can be presented (and they have been several times) but unless their state is first or at least in the early running - what state party will support their representative/senator in that vote? Can anyone see the state parties of PA, IN, WI,SC, KA, KB, MT, WY, ND and SD supporting going last? Won't they press their congressional representatives to create a bill that has them going first? And as long as there are competing bills will there ever be resolution? I really see this as up to the DNC and the calendar commission. Which I think means - to affect change everyone should be finding out who is on their platform committee (or you get on your platform committee). Get a resolution passed that changes the calendar or instructs change to be made in the calendar. Then stick with either as a delegate or on the platform committee all the way to the state/national level and THEN elect DNC representatives and National Delegates who promise to follow through. Then the new Chair of the DNC and the new calendar commission of the DNC have a mission. To change the calendar. (Of course this is exactly what Carl Levin and Jennifer Gandholm did at the National Convention in 2004).
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  -Iowa Democratic Party ShariJH  Jan-06-08 07:44 AM   #0 
  - The fact that one of his precinct captains immediately left for Edwards  monmouth   Jan-06-08 08:18 AM   #1 
  - In my precinct the captain immediately bailed for Richardson. Sad.  youthere   Jan-07-08 11:59 AM   #25 
     - Ouch, that's gotta hurt  tsegat01   Jan-07-08 12:44 PM   #43 
        - Yep. She didn't even make an attempt at an argument for him...  youthere   Jan-07-08 01:24 PM   #53 
  - Please explain how they were 'cheated' out of their 'votes'  Debi   Jan-06-08 08:40 AM   #2 
  - Debi:  demommom   Jan-06-08 09:05 AM   #3 
  - Oh, you are correct.  Debi   Jan-06-08 09:07 AM   #4 
  - One thing...  1corona4u   Jan-06-08 10:19 AM   #6 
     - Since we have agreed to disagree regarding primary vs. caucus  Debi   Jan-06-08 10:44 AM   #7 
        - You know what Debi?  demommom   Jan-06-08 01:03 PM   #10 
           - We are all still in a state of shock and grief  tsegat01   Jan-06-08 01:28 PM   #12 
           - As if in my entire lifetime I will give a flying fuck what you say about me on an anonymous message  Debi   Jan-06-08 05:58 PM   #13 
              - Your language is  elleng   Jan-07-08 01:51 AM   #14 
              - The language looks very strange juxtaposed with the  NCarolinawoman   Jan-07-08 09:12 AM   #16 
              - You are correct. However, even the most 'hospitable' person must draw the line somewhere  Debi   Jan-07-08 10:50 AM   #19 
              - I agree, it is not.  Debi   Jan-07-08 10:41 AM   #17 
              - Wow, Iowans really curse like that?  48percenter   Jan-07-08 10:44 AM   #18 
              - Well, after reading the comments posted since 9:00 PM on January 3rd  Debi   Jan-07-08 11:15 AM   #22 
              - I'm not PM'ing anyone to respond to your post  48percenter   Jan-07-08 11:36 AM   #23 
              - I will agree - any state that is first will do anything to retain that position  Debi   Jan-07-08 12:01 PM   #26 
              - I read an interesting blurb about the history of caucusing in Iowa -- and Iowa's  gateley   Jan-07-08 12:18 PM   #31 
                 - You're dead on - IA and NH were supposed to be easier to compete  Debi   Jan-07-08 12:36 PM   #41 
              - I had to look up internecine. :-) nt  gateley   Jan-07-08 12:05 PM   #27 
              - Thank you for your reasoned post.  DesertedRose   Jan-07-08 12:21 PM   #33 
              - Debi  1corona4u   Jan-07-08 11:44 AM   #24 
              - Are you asking me to leave?  Debi   Jan-07-08 12:15 PM   #29 
                 - I'm not asking you to leave...  1corona4u   Jan-07-08 01:29 PM   #54 
                    - Got it - I don't talk about Iowa and we all get along.  Debi   Jan-07-08 02:21 PM   #60 
                       - Well, your state caused it...  1corona4u   Jan-07-08 02:33 PM   #63 
                          - You post reminds me of the Blame Canada song from the South Park movie  Debi   Jan-07-08 02:40 PM   #65 
                          - And your refusal to admit your state fucked up  1corona4u   Jan-07-08 02:43 PM   #67 
                             - But you said I wasn't every Iowan  Debi   Jan-07-08 03:04 PM   #70 
                          - Corona...  Steely_Dan   Jan-07-08 03:01 PM   #69 
                             - Steely....  1corona4u   Jan-07-08 03:42 PM   #72 
              - A little short-sighted  DesertedRose   Jan-07-08 12:16 PM   #30 
              - Yep, these articles show up every four years  Debi   Jan-07-08 12:19 PM   #32 
              - I think Biden and Dodd are smart enough not to do that in public  DesertedRose   Jan-07-08 12:25 PM   #35 
                 - Are you saying they lie?  Debi   Jan-07-08 12:51 PM   #48 
                    - OK, now you are being unnecessarily hostile.  DesertedRose   Jan-07-08 02:18 PM   #58 
                       - No, I'm not looking for a fight  Debi   Jan-07-08 02:29 PM   #61 
                          - Maybe I haven't read up enough on their final statements, but  DesertedRose   Jan-07-08 02:41 PM   #66 
                             - No hostility n/t  Debi   Jan-07-08 03:13 PM   #71 
              - I was pissed about the primary process in 2004!!  48percenter   Jan-07-08 12:43 PM   #42 
                 - As a Clark supporter you should be pissed at the Clinton's and their supporters  Debi   Jan-07-08 12:58 PM   #51 
                    - I'm more annoyed that he endorsed Hillary n/t  48percenter   Jan-07-08 01:42 PM   #55 
                       - I have a strange feeling there is a quid pro quo at work there  Debi   Jan-07-08 02:11 PM   #57 
                          - I don't like to think Clark is that calculating  48percenter   Jan-07-08 02:18 PM   #59 
                             - The General is too good of a man to be like the Clintons  Debi   Jan-07-08 02:32 PM   #62 
              - I haven't received any PM's  tsegat01   Jan-07-08 12:26 PM   #36 
                 - Eloquently stated  DesertedRose   Jan-07-08 12:29 PM   #39 
                 - I think ABC effectively pulled the plug on Dodd's and Biden's campaigns by  gateley   Jan-07-08 12:31 PM   #40 
                 - I am sorry about the loss as well - and I came here for comfort too  Debi   Jan-07-08 12:49 PM   #45 
              - not all iowas curse like that  cbear70   Jan-07-08 07:56 PM   #74 
              - Debi  demommom   Jan-07-08 09:21 PM   #77 
  - Doesn't seem to me  BenV   Jan-06-08 10:08 AM   #5 
  - can someone point me to the BSI group?  cbear70   Jan-06-08 11:17 AM   #8 
  - cbear and all,  elleng   Jan-07-08 07:51 AM   #15 
     - I contacted him last night, and have not heard back yet...  1corona4u   Jan-07-08 11:00 AM   #21 
  - At this point I'm just thinking that Joe didn't have enough people, period.  gateley   Jan-06-08 12:23 PM   #9 
  - The media, lack of $$$ and high Dem turnout  48percenter   Jan-06-08 01:24 PM   #11 
  - Joe would have received 14 of 231 votes.  Frustratedlady   Jan-07-08 12:29 PM   #38 
  - Well, I found all of the counties online...  1corona4u   Jan-07-08 10:56 AM   #20 
     - That was interesting - and in a weird way, made me feel better.  pirhana   Jan-07-08 12:26 PM   #37 
  - I don't believe Joe would have benefitted from a straight up or down vote...  youthere   Jan-07-08 12:09 PM   #28 
     - You are right....except..  pirhana   Jan-07-08 12:22 PM   #34 
     - I figured his "staying in until the end of January" was based on the assumption  gateley   Jan-07-08 12:49 PM   #46 
        - We were set, if we hadn't been inundated by Dems appearing beyond normal.  Frustratedlady   Jan-07-08 12:58 PM   #50 
     - I blame most of this on the media  48percenter   Jan-07-08 12:48 PM   #44 
     - Agree.  gateley   Jan-07-08 12:50 PM   #47 
     - Good for your father.  Frustratedlady   Jan-07-08 12:55 PM   #49 
     - I love your dad!  pirhana   Jan-07-08 08:09 PM   #75 
     - Clinton would have 'won' in our precinct  Debi   Jan-07-08 01:10 PM   #52 
        - Actually I am glad that she who would be queen  48percenter   Jan-07-08 02:08 PM   #56 
           - Yeah - young women sunk her battleship!  Debi   Jan-07-08 02:37 PM   #64 
              - I think Clinton is sunk in NH. My Dad has been giving me  48percenter   Jan-07-08 02:44 PM   #68 
                 - And John McCain unfortunately  tsegat01   Jan-07-08 06:36 PM   #73 
                    - Sigh.  gateley   Jan-07-08 09:10 PM   #76 

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