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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 12:55 PM
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19. I'm struck by how many people clearly haven't read the OP.

If you read it through, you'll see that (s)he isn't advocating forcing doctors to perform executions, they're using that as an analogy for forcing pharmacists to prescribe birth control.

For what it's worth, I think that the state should refuse to employ or do business with anyone who wants to refuse to do so, but that they shouldn't prohibit such people from running private businesses.
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  -Should states be permitted to force doctors to help perform executions? dsc  Feb-01-07 10:53 AM   #0 
  - No. eom.  PDJane   Feb-01-07 10:55 AM   #1 
  - Why of course. But, pharmacists should not have to administer birth control.  mzmolly   Feb-01-07 11:02 AM   #2 
  - NO. The thought is absolutely appalling.  sparosnare   Feb-01-07 11:02 AM   #3 
  - How would you feel about the required presence of Jury foreman  jarab   Feb-01-07 11:09 AM   #6 
     - It's not the same thing.  sparosnare   Feb-01-07 11:20 AM   #10 
     - Everyone who condemned the person to death should....  TechBear_Seattle   Feb-01-07 11:50 AM   #13 
  - "First do no harm"  Horse with no Name   Feb-01-07 11:03 AM   #4 
  - No one should be forced to end another person's life - that's fucked up.  Katherine Brengle   Feb-01-07 11:07 AM   #5 
  - Killing people goes against a doctor's oath.  femmedem   Feb-01-07 11:11 AM   #7 
  - You're right of course, but...  Orrex   Feb-01-07 11:21 AM   #11 
  - Yep, and it's a dumb argument.  Pithlet   Feb-01-07 12:32 PM   #17 
     - Once again I agree!  Orrex   Feb-01-07 12:52 PM   #18 
        - II know. I don't get why they think they have the right  Pithlet   Feb-01-07 04:58 PM   #40 
  - The pharmacist is really only there to carry out the Dr.s orders  alarimer   Feb-01-07 12:32 PM   #16 
     - pharmacists have a much more important role than merely following orders  fishwax   Feb-04-07 10:58 AM   #108 
  - NO n/t  datadiva   Feb-01-07 11:16 AM   #8 
  - Of course not. And capital punishment should be banned, too.  Orrex   Feb-01-07 11:20 AM   #9 
  - IT is NOT the job of a physician to KILL... It IS the job of a  hlthe2b   Feb-01-07 11:27 AM   #12 
  - Why do they need a doctor?  Crandor   Feb-01-07 12:00 PM   # 
  - federal judges have been requiring doctors to be sure the prisoner isn't suffering  dsc   Feb-01-07 03:40 PM   #21 
  - what would the state do if they refused? Kill them?....  Bluerthanblue   Feb-01-07 12:00 PM   #14 
  - Indeed  dancingAlone   Feb-02-07 06:18 PM   #102 
  - The two issues aren't remotely the same.  Pithlet   Feb-01-07 12:19 PM   #15 
  - I'm struck by how many people clearly haven't read the OP.  Donald Ian Rankin   Feb-01-07 12:55 PM   #19 
  - that is exactly my position  dsc   Feb-01-07 03:38 PM   #20 
  - The analogy doesn't hold up. Pharmacists who refuses to dispense stocked  mondo joe   Feb-01-07 03:50 PM   #23 
  - Oopsie, my bad.  Katherine Brengle   Feb-01-07 04:14 PM   #25 
  - so you don't see a real, demonstrated need...  VelmaD   Feb-01-07 03:48 PM   #22 
  - No other ethical exceptions are judged on moral grounds  dsc   Feb-01-07 04:11 PM   #24 
     - But a pharmacists job is to carry out the physician's orders.  mondo joe   Feb-01-07 04:15 PM   #26 
     - If a store carries the drug it must dispense it  dsc   Feb-01-07 04:23 PM   #29 
        - I think that's arguable. Here's why:  mondo joe   Feb-01-07 04:26 PM   #32 
        - Then why not require that doctors  dsc   Feb-01-07 05:47 PM   #52 
           - Again, the analogy fails.  mondo joe   Feb-01-07 05:53 PM   #55 
        - Because women have been granted the right to access to birth control --  Katherine Brengle   Feb-01-07 04:40 PM   #37 
        - The right of the whole state is being infringed  dsc   Feb-01-07 05:49 PM   #53 
           - How are they shutting it down  Pithlet   Feb-01-07 06:01 PM   #59 
           - I see where you are coming from a logical debate standpoint --  Katherine Brengle   Feb-01-07 06:23 PM   #65 
              - The situations remain unalike anyway.  mondo joe   Feb-01-07 06:31 PM   #70 
                 - Excellent points. nt  Katherine Brengle   Feb-01-07 06:32 PM   #71 
        - They absolutely can and should be told what to sell  Pithlet   Feb-01-07 04:53 PM   #39 
     - Here are a few examples:  Katherine Brengle   Feb-01-07 04:22 PM   #28 
     - At most one of these examples fit  dsc   Feb-01-07 04:39 PM   #36 
     - way to avoid every question I asked in my response  VelmaD   Feb-01-07 04:24 PM   #30 
        - and here's another link  VelmaD   Feb-01-07 04:30 PM   #35 
        - I honestly don't know how many times I can utter the words  dsc   Feb-01-07 04:42 PM   #38 
           - It's kinda like talking to a brick wall  VelmaD   Feb-01-07 05:09 PM   #41 
           - Actually it was AIDS drugs which were the first problem  dsc   Feb-01-07 05:24 PM   #44 
              - Do your own damn homework  VelmaD   Feb-01-07 08:21 PM   #90 
                 - Give me a break  dsc   Feb-01-07 09:47 PM   #95 
           - I think we get that.  Pithlet   Feb-01-07 05:32 PM   #45 
              - actually that is all I concede and yes I have stated the rest before  dsc   Feb-01-07 05:40 PM   #49 
                 - How does one link to the fact  Pithlet   Feb-01-07 05:54 PM   #56 
                 - The very same red state governments that you wish to give this  dsc   Feb-01-07 06:17 PM   #62 
                    - The record isn't that great? I'm not sure what you mean by that.  Pithlet   Feb-01-07 06:28 PM   #68 
                       - In comparision to large corporations, governments have been awful  dsc   Feb-01-07 06:55 PM   #80 
                          - But when you talk about a drug that only one class of people use - and  mondo joe   Feb-01-07 07:00 PM   #81 
                             - to some extent it does  dsc   Feb-01-07 07:07 PM   #83 
                                - Doesn't government have plenty of power here to begin with?  mondo joe   Feb-01-07 07:17 PM   #86 
                                - Not state governments  dsc   Feb-01-07 07:26 PM   #88 
                                - How do you define "'huge problem"?  femmedem   Feb-02-07 07:22 AM   #99 
                 - You sound as if you believe that if a woman was denied birth control  femmedem   Feb-01-07 09:15 PM   #92 
                 - You at least would need evidence that one of those stores isn't selling bc  dsc   Feb-01-07 09:57 PM   #98 
                    - This is a hypothetical situation,  Lautremont   Feb-02-07 12:37 PM   #100 
                 - evidence  SemperEadem   Feb-04-07 10:41 AM   #106 
  - Sorry, but it's not the same at all.  Hell Hath No Fury   Feb-01-07 04:19 PM   #27 
  - IF a doctor is hired to perfom executions, dr should have to do them.  uppityperson   Feb-01-07 04:26 PM   #31 
  - My first instinct is to say no  LibFromWV   Feb-01-07 04:26 PM   #33 
  - Surely they can find a doctor with no morals......  Porcupine   Feb-01-07 04:28 PM   #34 
  - They should force the children of the people who support  BuyingThyme   Feb-01-07 05:22 PM   #42 
  - I don't remember doctors being required to perform executions...  Solon   Feb-01-07 05:24 PM   #43 
  - No.  Left Is Write   Feb-01-07 05:32 PM   #46 
  - Yes, it's a principled difference.  LeftishBrit   Feb-01-07 05:35 PM   #47 
  - There is only one instance in which a physician helping perform execution would  mondo joe   Feb-01-07 05:37 PM   #48 
  - I thought that doctors did not perform the execution  MATTMAN   Feb-01-07 05:44 PM   #50 
  - No.  NoSheep   Feb-01-07 05:45 PM   #51 
  - A pharmacist signs up to fill prescriptions. Not to pick and choose.  impeachdubya   Feb-01-07 05:50 PM   #54 
  - Dispensing birth control is an expected normal part of being a pharmacist. Executing people is NOT  Mayberry Machiavelli   Feb-01-07 05:58 PM   #57 
  - Make the Birth Control Pill Available OTC, and this won't be a problem.  impeachdubya   Feb-01-07 05:59 PM   #58 
  - I tend to agree  dsc   Feb-01-07 06:03 PM   #60 
     - But it's not. Only pharmacies can carry it.  Pithlet   Feb-01-07 06:10 PM   #61 
     - What other drugs should they be required to carry?  dsc   Feb-01-07 06:23 PM   #64 
        - It wouldn't be hard to determine a mimimum formulary of the most highly prescribed  mondo joe   Feb-01-07 06:26 PM   #67 
        - Any legal prescription drug that they refuse to carry.  Pithlet   Feb-01-07 06:43 PM   #76 
           - I am by no means a libertarian  dsc   Feb-01-07 07:04 PM   #82 
              - Your argument sounds extremely Libertarian in nature.  Pithlet   Feb-01-07 07:23 PM   #87 
              - frankly I am a bit tired of waiting  dsc   Feb-01-07 08:27 PM   #91 
                 - I don't blame you.  Pithlet   Feb-01-07 09:49 PM   #96 
              - The public sector is better than the private sector  femmedem   Feb-01-07 09:23 PM   #93 
     - Two reasons (neither all that great, but there the two usually given)  LeftyMom   Feb-01-07 06:18 PM   #63 
     - I think there are ways around those  dsc   Feb-01-07 06:24 PM   #66 
        - Warning labels are all well and fine...  Katherine Brengle   Feb-01-07 06:38 PM   #74 
        - yeah, but people manage to kill themselves or their kids every year by accidental tylenol OD  LeftyMom   Feb-01-07 07:36 PM   #89 
           - Like those OTC behind the counter medications - no scrip needed, but you have to ask --  Katherine Brengle   Feb-01-07 09:38 PM   #94 
     - BC it's hormonal and can have very severe negative health effects if used  Katherine Brengle   Feb-01-07 06:35 PM   #72 
     - Talking real-world solutions, however, I think making it avail. OTC makes the most sense.  impeachdubya   Feb-01-07 06:41 PM   #75 
     - I can agree with this --  Katherine Brengle   Feb-01-07 07:08 PM   #84 
     - I can, too.  Pithlet   Feb-01-07 06:55 PM   #79 
     - because we're talking about hormones  SemperEadem   Feb-04-07 10:45 AM   #107 
  - dsc, do you think that pharmacists should be protected from being fired for not doing  Mayberry Machiavelli   Feb-01-07 06:30 PM   #69 
  - No, and I have stated that repeatedly, no employee should be permitted  dsc   Feb-01-07 06:36 PM   #73 
  - Force?  Katzenkavalier   Feb-01-07 06:45 PM   #77 
  - No, but they should let others do the deed if needed.  aikoaiko   Feb-01-07 06:45 PM   #78 
  - Laughable Comparison  Madspirit   Feb-01-07 07:14 PM   #85 
  - no-  madrchsod   Feb-01-07 09:51 PM   #97 
  - Nonsense! Being a druggist and operating a drug store ...  damntexdem   Feb-02-07 12:37 PM   #101 
  - the demonstrated need is determined by a medical doctor, not a pharmacist  SemperEadem   Feb-04-07 10:08 AM   #103 
  - No, Never. I don't want my doctor practicing death.  spanone   Feb-04-07 10:16 AM   #104 
  - No.  Vidar   Feb-04-07 10:34 AM   #105 
 

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