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Thu Feb-01-07 12:00 PM
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| 14. what would the state do if they refused? Kill them?.... |
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I do believe a pharmacist should be ready to lose their job if their own personal beliefs make them un-willing to carry out all the necessary aspects of their job.
What about anti-depressants? If a 'Scientologist' were to get a job at a pharmacy, should they be allowed to refuse to fill prescriptions for the medications they deem 'against their religion'?
Birth control is not executing a living breathing person. Most birth control has no effect on any potential 'un-born' human being. A healthy couple has only a 15-20% chance of becoming pregnant each month even if they are actively trying to conceive, and 15% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage.
The idea behind birth control is PREVENTING a possible conception. Selling someone a means of protecting against a pregnancy when it is not desired is no where near comparable to taking actions which directly end the life of a person who is presently living,breathing and even conscious.
The difference between a potential life, and an actual life is pretty profound.
Like the difference between buying a lottery ticket, and winning the lottery.
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| -Should states be permitted to force doctors to help perform executions? |
dsc |
Feb-01-07 10:53 AM |
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No. eom. |
PDJane |
Feb-01-07 10:55 AM |
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Why of course. But, pharmacists should not have to administer birth control. |
mzmolly |
Feb-01-07 11:02 AM |
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NO. The thought is absolutely appalling. |
sparosnare |
Feb-01-07 11:02 AM |
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How would you feel about the required presence of Jury foreman |
jarab |
Feb-01-07 11:09 AM |
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It's not the same thing. |
sparosnare |
Feb-01-07 11:20 AM |
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Everyone who condemned the person to death should.... |
TechBear_Seattle |
Feb-01-07 11:50 AM |
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"First do no harm" |
Horse with no Name |
Feb-01-07 11:03 AM |
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No one should be forced to end another person's life - that's fucked up. |
Katherine Brengle |
Feb-01-07 11:07 AM |
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Killing people goes against a doctor's oath. |
femmedem |
Feb-01-07 11:11 AM |
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You're right of course, but... |
Orrex |
Feb-01-07 11:21 AM |
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Yep, and it's a dumb argument. |
Pithlet |
Feb-01-07 12:32 PM |
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Once again I agree! |
Orrex |
Feb-01-07 12:52 PM |
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II know. I don't get why they think they have the right |
Pithlet |
Feb-01-07 04:58 PM |
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The pharmacist is really only there to carry out the Dr.s orders |
alarimer |
Feb-01-07 12:32 PM |
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pharmacists have a much more important role than merely following orders |
fishwax |
Feb-04-07 10:58 AM |
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NO n/t |
datadiva |
Feb-01-07 11:16 AM |
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Of course not. And capital punishment should be banned, too. |
Orrex |
Feb-01-07 11:20 AM |
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IT is NOT the job of a physician to KILL... It IS the job of a |
hlthe2b |
Feb-01-07 11:27 AM |
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Why do they need a doctor? |
Crandor |
Feb-01-07 12:00 PM |
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federal judges have been requiring doctors to be sure the prisoner isn't suffering |
dsc |
Feb-01-07 03:40 PM |
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what would the state do if they refused? Kill them?.... |
Bluerthanblue |
Feb-01-07 12:00 PM |
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Indeed |
dancingAlone |
Feb-02-07 06:18 PM |
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The two issues aren't remotely the same. |
Pithlet |
Feb-01-07 12:19 PM |
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I'm struck by how many people clearly haven't read the OP. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Feb-01-07 12:55 PM |
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that is exactly my position |
dsc |
Feb-01-07 03:38 PM |
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The analogy doesn't hold up. Pharmacists who refuses to dispense stocked |
mondo joe |
Feb-01-07 03:50 PM |
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Oopsie, my bad. |
Katherine Brengle |
Feb-01-07 04:14 PM |
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so you don't see a real, demonstrated need... |
VelmaD |
Feb-01-07 03:48 PM |
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No other ethical exceptions are judged on moral grounds |
dsc |
Feb-01-07 04:11 PM |
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But a pharmacists job is to carry out the physician's orders. |
mondo joe |
Feb-01-07 04:15 PM |
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If a store carries the drug it must dispense it |
dsc |
Feb-01-07 04:23 PM |
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I think that's arguable. Here's why: |
mondo joe |
Feb-01-07 04:26 PM |
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Then why not require that doctors |
dsc |
Feb-01-07 05:47 PM |
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Again, the analogy fails. |
mondo joe |
Feb-01-07 05:53 PM |
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Because women have been granted the right to access to birth control -- |
Katherine Brengle |
Feb-01-07 04:40 PM |
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The right of the whole state is being infringed |
dsc |
Feb-01-07 05:49 PM |
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How are they shutting it down |
Pithlet |
Feb-01-07 06:01 PM |
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I see where you are coming from a logical debate standpoint -- |
Katherine Brengle |
Feb-01-07 06:23 PM |
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The situations remain unalike anyway. |
mondo joe |
Feb-01-07 06:31 PM |
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Excellent points. nt |
Katherine Brengle |
Feb-01-07 06:32 PM |
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They absolutely can and should be told what to sell |
Pithlet |
Feb-01-07 04:53 PM |
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Here are a few examples: |
Katherine Brengle |
Feb-01-07 04:22 PM |
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At most one of these examples fit |
dsc |
Feb-01-07 04:39 PM |
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way to avoid every question I asked in my response |
VelmaD |
Feb-01-07 04:24 PM |
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and here's another link |
VelmaD |
Feb-01-07 04:30 PM |
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I honestly don't know how many times I can utter the words |
dsc |
Feb-01-07 04:42 PM |
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It's kinda like talking to a brick wall |
VelmaD |
Feb-01-07 05:09 PM |
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Actually it was AIDS drugs which were the first problem |
dsc |
Feb-01-07 05:24 PM |
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Do your own damn homework |
VelmaD |
Feb-01-07 08:21 PM |
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Give me a break |
dsc |
Feb-01-07 09:47 PM |
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I think we get that. |
Pithlet |
Feb-01-07 05:32 PM |
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actually that is all I concede and yes I have stated the rest before |
dsc |
Feb-01-07 05:40 PM |
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How does one link to the fact |
Pithlet |
Feb-01-07 05:54 PM |
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The very same red state governments that you wish to give this |
dsc |
Feb-01-07 06:17 PM |
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The record isn't that great? I'm not sure what you mean by that. |
Pithlet |
Feb-01-07 06:28 PM |
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In comparision to large corporations, governments have been awful |
dsc |
Feb-01-07 06:55 PM |
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But when you talk about a drug that only one class of people use - and |
mondo joe |
Feb-01-07 07:00 PM |
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to some extent it does |
dsc |
Feb-01-07 07:07 PM |
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Doesn't government have plenty of power here to begin with? |
mondo joe |
Feb-01-07 07:17 PM |
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Not state governments |
dsc |
Feb-01-07 07:26 PM |
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How do you define "'huge problem"? |
femmedem |
Feb-02-07 07:22 AM |
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You sound as if you believe that if a woman was denied birth control |
femmedem |
Feb-01-07 09:15 PM |
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You at least would need evidence that one of those stores isn't selling bc |
dsc |
Feb-01-07 09:57 PM |
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This is a hypothetical situation, |
Lautremont |
Feb-02-07 12:37 PM |
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evidence |
SemperEadem |
Feb-04-07 10:41 AM |
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Sorry, but it's not the same at all. |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Feb-01-07 04:19 PM |
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IF a doctor is hired to perfom executions, dr should have to do them. |
uppityperson |
Feb-01-07 04:26 PM |
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My first instinct is to say no |
LibFromWV |
Feb-01-07 04:26 PM |
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Surely they can find a doctor with no morals...... |
Porcupine |
Feb-01-07 04:28 PM |
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They should force the children of the people who support |
BuyingThyme |
Feb-01-07 05:22 PM |
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I don't remember doctors being required to perform executions... |
Solon |
Feb-01-07 05:24 PM |
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No. |
Left Is Write |
Feb-01-07 05:32 PM |
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Yes, it's a principled difference. |
LeftishBrit |
Feb-01-07 05:35 PM |
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There is only one instance in which a physician helping perform execution would |
mondo joe |
Feb-01-07 05:37 PM |
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I thought that doctors did not perform the execution |
MATTMAN |
Feb-01-07 05:44 PM |
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No. |
NoSheep |
Feb-01-07 05:45 PM |
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A pharmacist signs up to fill prescriptions. Not to pick and choose. |
impeachdubya |
Feb-01-07 05:50 PM |
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Dispensing birth control is an expected normal part of being a pharmacist. Executing people is NOT |
Mayberry Machiavelli |
Feb-01-07 05:58 PM |
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Make the Birth Control Pill Available OTC, and this won't be a problem. |
impeachdubya |
Feb-01-07 05:59 PM |
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I tend to agree |
dsc |
Feb-01-07 06:03 PM |
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But it's not. Only pharmacies can carry it. |
Pithlet |
Feb-01-07 06:10 PM |
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What other drugs should they be required to carry? |
dsc |
Feb-01-07 06:23 PM |
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It wouldn't be hard to determine a mimimum formulary of the most highly prescribed |
mondo joe |
Feb-01-07 06:26 PM |
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Any legal prescription drug that they refuse to carry. |
Pithlet |
Feb-01-07 06:43 PM |
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I am by no means a libertarian |
dsc |
Feb-01-07 07:04 PM |
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Your argument sounds extremely Libertarian in nature. |
Pithlet |
Feb-01-07 07:23 PM |
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frankly I am a bit tired of waiting |
dsc |
Feb-01-07 08:27 PM |
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I don't blame you. |
Pithlet |
Feb-01-07 09:49 PM |
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The public sector is better than the private sector |
femmedem |
Feb-01-07 09:23 PM |
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Two reasons (neither all that great, but there the two usually given) |
LeftyMom |
Feb-01-07 06:18 PM |
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I think there are ways around those |
dsc |
Feb-01-07 06:24 PM |
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Warning labels are all well and fine... |
Katherine Brengle |
Feb-01-07 06:38 PM |
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yeah, but people manage to kill themselves or their kids every year by accidental tylenol OD |
LeftyMom |
Feb-01-07 07:36 PM |
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Like those OTC behind the counter medications - no scrip needed, but you have to ask -- |
Katherine Brengle |
Feb-01-07 09:38 PM |
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BC it's hormonal and can have very severe negative health effects if used |
Katherine Brengle |
Feb-01-07 06:35 PM |
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Talking real-world solutions, however, I think making it avail. OTC makes the most sense. |
impeachdubya |
Feb-01-07 06:41 PM |
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I can agree with this -- |
Katherine Brengle |
Feb-01-07 07:08 PM |
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I can, too. |
Pithlet |
Feb-01-07 06:55 PM |
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because we're talking about hormones |
SemperEadem |
Feb-04-07 10:45 AM |
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dsc, do you think that pharmacists should be protected from being fired for not doing |
Mayberry Machiavelli |
Feb-01-07 06:30 PM |
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No, and I have stated that repeatedly, no employee should be permitted |
dsc |
Feb-01-07 06:36 PM |
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Force? |
Katzenkavalier |
Feb-01-07 06:45 PM |
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No, but they should let others do the deed if needed. |
aikoaiko |
Feb-01-07 06:45 PM |
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Laughable Comparison |
Madspirit |
Feb-01-07 07:14 PM |
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no- |
madrchsod |
Feb-01-07 09:51 PM |
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Nonsense! Being a druggist and operating a drug store ... |
damntexdem |
Feb-02-07 12:37 PM |
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the demonstrated need is determined by a medical doctor, not a pharmacist |
SemperEadem |
Feb-04-07 10:08 AM |
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No, Never. I don't want my doctor practicing death. |
spanone |
Feb-04-07 10:16 AM |
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No. |
Vidar |
Feb-04-07 10:34 AM |
#105 |
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