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Towards the end of his life, in the aftermath of World War 1, he would write this epigram: Christmas: 1924 "Peace upon earth!" was said. We sing it, And pay a million priests to bring it. After two thousand years of mass We've got as far as poison-gas.  |
| -What drives a woman to this cruelty? |
malaise |
May-29-07 12:20 PM |
#0 |
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Desperation, hopelessness? Very sad... nt |
babylonsister |
May-29-07 12:22 PM |
#1 |
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OMG -- how horrible |
LostinVA |
May-29-07 12:22 PM |
#2 |
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what drives any of them that do the same thing. I wish they would just kill |
chimpsrsmarter |
May-29-07 12:23 PM |
#3 |
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You're talking about a person who does not have a rationale mind. |
frankly_fedup2 |
May-29-07 12:59 PM |
#47 |
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I'm going with untreated mental illness. nt |
iconoclastic cat |
May-29-07 12:24 PM |
#4 |
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Me too, plus add in a very bad economic situation |
barb162 |
May-29-07 01:14 PM |
#56 |
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Pretty big 'duh' there |
sandnsea |
May-29-07 01:19 PM |
#61 |
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Untreated postpartum depression |
DesertedRose |
May-29-07 12:25 PM |
#5 |
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Despair. |
terisan |
May-29-07 12:25 PM |
#6 |
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I agree. |
emilyg |
May-29-07 12:31 PM |
#13 |
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I always assumed it was The Crazy. |
BlooInBloo |
May-29-07 12:25 PM |
#7 |
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It just makes you sick,doesn't it? |
AndyA |
May-29-07 12:26 PM |
#8 |
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That was my first thought |
malaise |
May-29-07 12:30 PM |
#10 |
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Utter Selfishness. Nothing Less. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-29-07 12:28 PM |
#9 |
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That's way too simplistic |
malaise |
May-29-07 12:31 PM |
#11 |
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"Simple" is his way of looking at the depth... |
Madspirit |
May-29-07 12:37 PM |
#22 |
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You Can Have Compassion For The Cold Blooded Killer. Mine Goes Out To The Infants And Kids. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-29-07 12:40 PM |
#25 |
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I Have Compassion For Them All...n/t |
Madspirit |
May-29-07 12:56 PM |
#45 |
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You know what the cool thing about compassion is? |
renie408 |
May-29-07 01:01 PM |
#49 |
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This is out of curiousity, nothing more, but |
Zavulon |
May-29-07 02:33 PM |
#152 |
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Yes, actually, I did. I enjoy just being alive. I feel sympathy |
renie408 |
May-29-07 02:43 PM |
#161 |
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Fair enough, and thanks for the answer. |
Zavulon |
May-29-07 02:51 PM |
#163 |
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I'm not the poster you were talking to. |
missb |
May-29-07 03:39 PM |
#172 |
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Geez, nice attention span on my part. Sorry about that. |
Zavulon |
May-29-07 04:17 PM |
#175 |
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Oh, there was certainly another way. |
missb |
May-29-07 04:32 PM |
#179 |
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Sorry. When She Hangs A 5 Yr Old, 3 Yr Old, 2 Yr Old And 8 Month Old, She's A Selfish Evil POS. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-29-07 12:38 PM |
#23 |
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If she's selfish, why'd she committ suicide? |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-29-07 01:14 PM |
#57 |
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Excuse Me? Suicide Is Absolutely Selfish Within Itself. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-29-07 01:22 PM |
#66 |
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How? |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-29-07 01:23 PM |
#67 |
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No, It Isn't. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-29-07 01:29 PM |
#77 |
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You won't explain it, because you can't. |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-29-07 01:34 PM |
#83 |
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Without taking any |
H2O Man |
May-29-07 01:59 PM |
#107 |
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I'm really surprised you posted that. |
raccoon |
May-29-07 02:06 PM |
#111 |
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You might be. |
H2O Man |
May-29-07 02:41 PM |
#160 |
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I've heard the rationale behind the family annihilator as being |
treestar |
May-29-07 02:14 PM |
#121 |
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I've heard that |
malaise |
May-29-07 02:40 PM |
#158 |
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Right. |
H2O Man |
May-29-07 03:34 PM |
#169 |
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Durkheim described egoistic, altruistic, and anomic forms |
Jed Dilligan |
May-29-07 02:11 PM |
#117 |
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Self-destruction and self-sacrifice are not the same thing |
JVS |
May-29-07 01:31 PM |
#79 |
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How is self-destruction selfish? |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-29-07 01:34 PM |
#85 |
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I never made that assertion, but you said suicide is the opposite of selfishness. |
JVS |
May-29-07 01:42 PM |
#92 |
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That statement shows you know nothing about mental illness. |
raccoon |
May-29-07 02:03 PM |
#110 |
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You have a point, but OTOH if she's not, why did she take everyone with her |
JVS |
May-29-07 01:28 PM |
#74 |
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Because she was completely insane? |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-29-07 01:40 PM |
#91 |
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Maybe, maybe not. |
JVS |
May-29-07 01:45 PM |
#93 |
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Maybe not? |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-29-07 01:50 PM |
#99 |
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No, you provide evidence of what you suppose her motive was |
JVS |
May-29-07 01:50 PM |
#100 |
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I don't think she had a motive at all. |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-29-07 01:56 PM |
#102 |
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Well that's nice that you have your opinion |
JVS |
May-29-07 01:57 PM |
#105 |
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I purposely did not read the article because I did not want to know how |
Blue State Native |
May-29-07 01:37 PM |
#87 |
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Do you ever get tired of |
alcibiades_mystery |
May-29-07 02:23 PM |
#138 |
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Must be nice to be able to sit in judgement like that. |
High Plains |
May-29-07 12:35 PM |
#19 |
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Nope. Utter Selfishness And Evil Would Be Far More Likely. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-29-07 12:40 PM |
#24 |
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We do not know her circumstances |
malaise |
May-29-07 12:45 PM |
#28 |
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Your ignorance regarding post-partum depression is pathetic |
frankly_fedup2 |
May-29-07 12:45 PM |
#29 |
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There is no evidence of PPD |
AngryAmish |
May-29-07 12:52 PM |
#37 |
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A little soon to make that assumption, don't you think? |
Beaverhausen |
May-29-07 12:55 PM |
#42 |
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That is my point |
AngryAmish |
May-29-07 12:58 PM |
#46 |
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I agree |
alcibiades_mystery |
May-29-07 02:27 PM |
#144 |
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There is evidence of a 23 year old who had four kids in five years |
renie408 |
May-29-07 01:05 PM |
#50 |
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Let us examine your statement and see if they square with known facts |
AngryAmish |
May-29-07 01:26 PM |
#71 |
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You can make some reasonable guesses |
gollygee |
May-29-07 01:29 PM |
#76 |
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I think hanging one's own children is evidence of "damaged" nt |
mycritters2 |
May-29-07 01:32 PM |
#81 |
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It could just as easily be evidence of evilness |
AngryAmish |
May-29-07 01:38 PM |
#89 |
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I tend to think that people that commit suicide are, perhaps, not the most |
renie408 |
May-29-07 02:19 PM |
#130 |
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Evidence of "evilness"? |
alcibiades_mystery |
May-29-07 02:28 PM |
#146 |
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Perhaps you prefer "a person who does really bad things to other people" |
AngryAmish |
May-29-07 02:55 PM |
#164 |
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That's quite a translation |
alcibiades_mystery |
May-29-07 11:19 PM |
#185 |
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She rates 9.2 Vaders on the Hitlometer. |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-29-07 04:28 PM |
#177 |
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Hanging your four kids and making a run for it is evil. Hanging your four kids |
renie408 |
May-29-07 02:17 PM |
#125 |
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Ain't Nothin You Can Say That Would Change My Opinion Of Her Being A Cold Blooded Killer. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-29-07 12:53 PM |
#38 |
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Your rigidness and inability to empathize must be a great comfort |
renie408 |
May-29-07 01:06 PM |
#51 |
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Then you can wallow in your ignorance. No clear-minded individual |
frankly_fedup2 |
May-29-07 01:06 PM |
#52 |
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Oh Blah Blah Blah. Anyone Who Kills Anyone Is Mentally Ill. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-29-07 01:17 PM |
#59 |
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Not anyone but some are mentally |
malaise |
May-29-07 01:28 PM |
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cold blooded? |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-29-07 01:38 PM |
#90 |
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Oh Enough Already. She Hung 4 Children By Their Necks. Pretty Fuckin Cold Blooded To Me Pal. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-29-07 01:45 PM |
#94 |
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cold blooded describes emotional distachment. |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-29-07 01:49 PM |
#97 |
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Killing Herself Makes Her A Coward. Killing Her 4 Young Children Makes Her Cold Blooded. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-29-07 01:56 PM |
#101 |
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She's a coward now? |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-29-07 01:56 PM |
#104 |
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Please explain this strange connection you make with suicide and bravery. |
JVS |
May-29-07 02:00 PM |
#108 |
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Where are you reading that? |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-29-07 02:09 PM |
#114 |
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You keep saying that suicide is the opposite of what cowards do |
JVS |
May-29-07 02:13 PM |
#119 |
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Explain to me how suicide is cowardly. |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-29-07 02:14 PM |
#122 |
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If you are afraid of experiencing what is coming, killing yourself is a way... |
JVS |
May-29-07 02:16 PM |
#124 |
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Wait a minute... |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-29-07 02:18 PM |
#127 |
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Now your turn, explain to me how killing yourself is the last thing a cowardly person would do |
JVS |
May-29-07 02:19 PM |
#131 |
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My turn? |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-29-07 02:21 PM |
#134 |
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Explain how they aren't |
JVS |
May-29-07 02:21 PM |
#136 |
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You're assuming that |
delaware97 |
May-29-07 03:58 PM |
#174 |
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Isn't it? |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-29-07 04:27 PM |
#176 |
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OMC just wants to thump his chest and exude righteousness |
alcibiades_mystery |
May-29-07 02:29 PM |
#150 |
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No, I'm Just Not Ridiculous Enough To Excuse This Piece Of Shit's Behavior. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-29-07 02:44 PM |
#162 |
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Oh ho ho |
alcibiades_mystery |
May-29-07 03:23 PM |
#167 |
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Excuses? Who's making excuses? |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-29-07 04:29 PM |
#178 |
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you are wrong OMC- and it isn't about "opinions"- this woman |
Bluerthanblue |
May-29-07 04:52 PM |
#182 |
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You Say I'm Wrong, I Say You're Wrong. See How Easy That Is? |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-29-07 04:58 PM |
#183 |
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in your mind |
Bluerthanblue |
May-29-07 05:38 PM |
#184 |
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I wouldn't say "cold-blooded" so much as "heinous" |
JVS |
May-29-07 01:58 PM |
#106 |
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Hmm, that's how many times now you've said that? "Fuck her." nt |
raccoon |
May-29-07 02:09 PM |
#113 |
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Just curious...do you really think that saying 'fucking' repeatedly |
renie408 |
May-29-07 02:24 PM |
#141 |
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I Think I Can Talk However The Fuck I Want, And You Can Talk However The Fuck You Want. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-29-07 02:29 PM |
#149 |
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Sounds fair to me. Maybe not the best way to win an argument... |
renie408 |
May-29-07 02:33 PM |
#151 |
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Once again, |
Zavulon |
May-29-07 02:39 PM |
#157 |
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While I admire your defense of your unpopular stance in this thread, |
janx |
May-30-07 12:44 AM |
#195 |
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Do we know for sure it was the mother? |
cat_girl25 |
May-29-07 12:46 PM |
#30 |
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What a hideous attitude. You would make a nice angry god. |
High Plains |
May-29-07 02:03 PM |
#109 |
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And She'd Make A Nice Wife Of The Devil. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-29-07 02:10 PM |
#116 |
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Since you're taking a beating here, let me say this: |
Zavulon |
May-29-07 02:35 PM |
#153 |
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Umm, isn't saying "utter desperation" judgmental? |
AngryAmish |
May-29-07 01:27 PM |
#72 |
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Oh my god |
sandnsea |
May-29-07 01:21 PM |
#64 |
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gotta agree with you here. |
ComerPerro |
May-29-07 01:34 PM |
#84 |
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Apparently you aren't acquainted with |
JNelson6563 |
May-29-07 02:12 PM |
#118 |
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Such An Empty Excuse. It Condones Nothing. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-29-07 02:27 PM |
#145 |
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Desperation can lead to insanity. |
JNelson6563 |
May-29-07 03:11 PM |
#166 |
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Because, as we all know, there's no such thing as "mentally ill." |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
May-30-07 12:21 AM |
#193 |
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mental illness |
MonkeyFunk |
May-29-07 12:31 PM |
#12 |
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Here is another example |
Bitwit1234 |
May-29-07 12:32 PM |
#14 |
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What do you bet he left for another woman - one who's body |
Clark2008 |
May-29-07 12:48 PM |
#32 |
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It just said they were separated |
johnnie |
May-29-07 01:37 PM |
#88 |
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I'm surprised you posted that. |
raccoon |
May-29-07 02:10 PM |
#115 |
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Not always, my dear, but I'm betting on it. |
Clark2008 |
May-29-07 02:28 PM |
#148 |
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No |
johnnie |
May-29-07 02:36 PM |
#155 |
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Good point n/t |
malaise |
May-29-07 12:49 PM |
#33 |
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That must be true since everyone knows that .... |
TahitiNut |
May-29-07 01:20 PM |
#63 |
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You ever hear of postpartum depression? |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
May-29-07 02:18 PM |
#126 |
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Q.E.D. |
TahitiNut |
May-29-07 03:54 PM |
#173 |
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but there are women who think that having a baby will "solve" their problems |
SoCalDem |
May-29-07 01:46 PM |
#96 |
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It's called post-par tum psychosis. It's real, it's dangerous, and |
frankly_fedup2 |
May-29-07 12:32 PM |
#15 |
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Thanks for this |
malaise |
May-29-07 12:35 PM |
#20 |
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They say when you think your not crazy, that is when you are and visa versa; however, |
frankly_fedup2 |
May-29-07 12:43 PM |
#27 |
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At least you knew you needed help |
malaise |
May-29-07 12:47 PM |
#31 |
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We all have regrets whether we have been sick or not (nt). |
frankly_fedup2 |
May-29-07 12:52 PM |
#36 |
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I love my doctor. |
Clark2008 |
May-29-07 12:54 PM |
#40 |
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Red state madness, plain and simple. No social services, etc. nm |
T Wolf |
May-29-07 12:33 PM |
#16 |
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partly correct |
malaise |
May-29-07 12:55 PM |
#44 |
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I immediately thought of Thomas Hardy's "Jude the Obscure" and one of its more |
Malikshah |
May-29-07 12:34 PM |
#17 |
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I was thinking about "Tess" the other day.... |
PassingFair |
May-29-07 12:53 PM |
#39 |
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Then you go read "The Darkling Thrush." |
Idealist Hippie |
May-29-07 01:19 PM |
#60 |
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Then there's this: |
PassingFair |
May-29-07 01:49 PM |
#98 |
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Yes. Ha. Thank you. I just love Hardy, also read through every novel he wrote and later |
Idealist Hippie |
May-29-07 02:07 PM |
#112 |
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Thanks for that n/t |
malaise |
May-29-07 02:20 PM |
#133 |
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My first thought |
Mz Pip |
May-29-07 01:15 PM |
#58 |
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True. It was the image of the poor souls in the closet that stuck with me. |
Malikshah |
May-29-07 02:25 PM |
#142 |
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Untreated Mental Illness |
Madspirit |
May-29-07 12:34 PM |
#18 |
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Why are you assuming murder-suicide |
China_cat |
May-29-07 12:36 PM |
#21 |
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Hanging is not a quick death. It is a slow suffocation because rarely |
frankly_fedup2 |
May-29-07 12:50 PM |
#34 |
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Exactly. Which is why the baby still being alive |
China_cat |
May-29-07 01:30 PM |
#78 |
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cnn is saying the door was locked from the inside and the neighbors said she had been |
chimpsrsmarter |
May-29-07 01:00 PM |
#48 |
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My door locks from the inside when you pull it closed. |
China_cat |
May-29-07 01:28 PM |
#73 |
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Why would we ever assume a man wasn't guilty? |
jesus_of_suburbia |
May-29-07 01:09 PM |
#53 |
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Why shouldn't we at least question, in cases where |
China_cat |
May-29-07 01:34 PM |
#82 |
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*snarf* |
ComerPerro |
May-29-07 01:35 PM |
#86 |
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Check the stats n/t |
malaise |
May-29-07 02:21 PM |
#135 |
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Republican Family Values nt |
Taverner |
May-29-07 12:41 PM |
#26 |
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self delete |
kineta |
May-29-07 12:51 PM |
#35 |
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Some women in some religions aren't allowed to control their own |
valerief |
May-29-07 12:55 PM |
#41 |
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Not so much a matter of "wanting" them -- one person can care properly for only so many small people |
Idealist Hippie |
May-29-07 01:21 PM |
#65 |
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Mental illness. |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-29-07 12:55 PM |
#43 |
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the same thing happened in this town in 2002- |
w8liftinglady |
May-29-07 01:10 PM |
#54 |
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article from 2002 |
w8liftinglady |
May-29-07 02:28 PM |
#147 |
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Obviously caused by our failure to enact reasonable rope control laws |
slackmaster |
May-29-07 01:13 PM |
#55 |
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Failing to change the culture of death |
sandnsea |
May-29-07 01:23 PM |
#68 |
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That is a serious problem n/t |
malaise |
May-29-07 02:19 PM |
#129 |
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One of the kids survived probably wouldn't have if she use your favorite tool |
billbuckhead |
May-29-07 01:23 PM |
#69 |
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Bad decision-making |
JVS |
May-29-07 01:20 PM |
#62 |
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It might very well be post-partum psychosis |
gollygee |
May-29-07 01:25 PM |
#70 |
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How sad. How terribly, terribly sad. |
mycritters2 |
May-29-07 01:29 PM |
#75 |
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Call whom, exactly? |
Jed Dilligan |
May-29-07 02:13 PM |
#120 |
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Call family, call a doctor, call a clergyperson |
mycritters2 |
May-29-07 02:18 PM |
#128 |
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I have a feeling that anyone this woman knew |
Jed Dilligan |
May-29-07 03:39 PM |
#171 |
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Psychotic people don't know it |
sandnsea |
May-29-07 02:36 PM |
#154 |
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Hopelessness, desperation, failure |
baldguy |
May-29-07 01:32 PM |
#80 |
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If She did it, She isn't the Victim |
veniceboy |
May-29-07 01:45 PM |
#95 |
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Interesting for your first post. |
raccoon |
May-29-07 02:15 PM |
#123 |
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Even in their poverty most other cultures |
malaise |
May-29-07 02:23 PM |
#137 |
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A patriarchal society that convinces women to be baby making machines... |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
May-29-07 01:56 PM |
#103 |
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RIGHT ON Lynyrd_skynyrd!! |
Madspirit |
May-29-07 02:24 PM |
#140 |
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I started a new thread on this... |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
May-29-07 03:08 PM |
#165 |
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And post-partum psychosis |
sandnsea |
May-29-07 02:38 PM |
#156 |
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that and the belief that death is not the worst of evils- which is |
Bluerthanblue |
May-29-07 04:41 PM |
#181 |
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"Texas has seen a disturbing number of child killings by mothers in recent years." |
depakid |
May-29-07 02:20 PM |
#132 |
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That's what abstinence education will do for a state. n/t |
renie408 |
May-29-07 02:26 PM |
#143 |
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along with poor or non-existant social services... |
depakid |
May-29-07 02:40 PM |
#159 |
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Mental illness |
zippy890 |
May-29-07 02:24 PM |
#139 |
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everything is not society's fault |
veniceboy |
May-29-07 03:28 PM |
#168 |
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My guess was extreme post partum psychosis coupled with poverty |
Marnieworld |
May-29-07 03:36 PM |
#170 |
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So much for the saying that God |
StarryNite |
May-29-07 04:35 PM |
#180 |
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Those kids shouldn't have been born. |
kurth |
May-29-07 11:27 PM |
#186 |
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I saw a bumper sticker re "abortion the cruelest form of child abuse." |
lonestarnot |
May-29-07 11:30 PM |
#187 |
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The woman deserved a lot of help to raise those kids. |
Perragrande |
May-29-07 11:45 PM |
#190 |
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Given that it is more often men... |
VelmaD |
May-29-07 11:30 PM |
#188 |
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Society has always lurched along |
spoony |
May-29-07 11:42 PM |
#189 |
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damn, I didn't realize that made national news |
RGBolen |
May-29-07 11:54 PM |
#191 |
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How do we know her husband didn't kill them all? |
Nikki Stone1 |
May-30-07 12:19 AM |
#192 |
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Who knows? |
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