| 21. Why are you assuming murder-suicide |
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Edited on Tue May-29-07 12:37 PM by China_cat
and not 5 murders? (4 murders, one attempted) If there was enough time for the mother to actually die, why is the 8 month old still alive? In the time it would have taken for the mother to hang herself and die, the baby surely would have strangled.
My money is on an irate, abusive husband/father who didn't want to pay child support...and didn't want to let go of his 'possessions'
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| -What drives a woman to this cruelty? |
malaise |
May-29-07 12:20 PM |
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Desperation, hopelessness? Very sad... nt |
babylonsister |
May-29-07 12:22 PM |
#1 |
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OMG -- how horrible |
LostinVA |
May-29-07 12:22 PM |
#2 |
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what drives any of them that do the same thing. I wish they would just kill |
chimpsrsmarter |
May-29-07 12:23 PM |
#3 |
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You're talking about a person who does not have a rationale mind. |
frankly_fedup2 |
May-29-07 12:59 PM |
#47 |
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I'm going with untreated mental illness. nt |
iconoclastic cat |
May-29-07 12:24 PM |
#4 |
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Me too, plus add in a very bad economic situation |
barb162 |
May-29-07 01:14 PM |
#56 |
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Pretty big 'duh' there |
sandnsea |
May-29-07 01:19 PM |
#61 |
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Untreated postpartum depression |
DesertedRose |
May-29-07 12:25 PM |
#5 |
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Despair. |
terisan |
May-29-07 12:25 PM |
#6 |
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I agree. |
emilyg |
May-29-07 12:31 PM |
#13 |
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I always assumed it was The Crazy. |
BlooInBloo |
May-29-07 12:25 PM |
#7 |
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It just makes you sick,doesn't it? |
AndyA |
May-29-07 12:26 PM |
#8 |
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That was my first thought |
malaise |
May-29-07 12:30 PM |
#10 |
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Utter Selfishness. Nothing Less. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-29-07 12:28 PM |
#9 |
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That's way too simplistic |
malaise |
May-29-07 12:31 PM |
#11 |
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"Simple" is his way of looking at the depth... |
Madspirit |
May-29-07 12:37 PM |
#22 |
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You Can Have Compassion For The Cold Blooded Killer. Mine Goes Out To The Infants And Kids. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-29-07 12:40 PM |
#25 |
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I Have Compassion For Them All...n/t |
Madspirit |
May-29-07 12:56 PM |
#45 |
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You know what the cool thing about compassion is? |
renie408 |
May-29-07 01:01 PM |
#49 |
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This is out of curiousity, nothing more, but |
Zavulon |
May-29-07 02:33 PM |
#152 |
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Yes, actually, I did. I enjoy just being alive. I feel sympathy |
renie408 |
May-29-07 02:43 PM |
#161 |
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Fair enough, and thanks for the answer. |
Zavulon |
May-29-07 02:51 PM |
#163 |
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I'm not the poster you were talking to. |
missb |
May-29-07 03:39 PM |
#172 |
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Geez, nice attention span on my part. Sorry about that. |
Zavulon |
May-29-07 04:17 PM |
#175 |
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Oh, there was certainly another way. |
missb |
May-29-07 04:32 PM |
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Sorry. When She Hangs A 5 Yr Old, 3 Yr Old, 2 Yr Old And 8 Month Old, She's A Selfish Evil POS. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-29-07 12:38 PM |
#23 |
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If she's selfish, why'd she committ suicide? |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-29-07 01:14 PM |
#57 |
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Excuse Me? Suicide Is Absolutely Selfish Within Itself. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-29-07 01:22 PM |
#66 |
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How? |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-29-07 01:23 PM |
#67 |
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No, It Isn't. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-29-07 01:29 PM |
#77 |
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You won't explain it, because you can't. |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-29-07 01:34 PM |
#83 |
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Without taking any |
H2O Man |
May-29-07 01:59 PM |
#107 |
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I'm really surprised you posted that. |
raccoon |
May-29-07 02:06 PM |
#111 |
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You might be. |
H2O Man |
May-29-07 02:41 PM |
#160 |
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I've heard the rationale behind the family annihilator as being |
treestar |
May-29-07 02:14 PM |
#121 |
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I've heard that |
malaise |
May-29-07 02:40 PM |
#158 |
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Right. |
H2O Man |
May-29-07 03:34 PM |
#169 |
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Durkheim described egoistic, altruistic, and anomic forms |
Jed Dilligan |
May-29-07 02:11 PM |
#117 |
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Self-destruction and self-sacrifice are not the same thing |
JVS |
May-29-07 01:31 PM |
#79 |
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How is self-destruction selfish? |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-29-07 01:34 PM |
#85 |
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I never made that assertion, but you said suicide is the opposite of selfishness. |
JVS |
May-29-07 01:42 PM |
#92 |
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That statement shows you know nothing about mental illness. |
raccoon |
May-29-07 02:03 PM |
#110 |
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You have a point, but OTOH if she's not, why did she take everyone with her |
JVS |
May-29-07 01:28 PM |
#74 |
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Because she was completely insane? |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-29-07 01:40 PM |
#91 |
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Maybe, maybe not. |
JVS |
May-29-07 01:45 PM |
#93 |
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Maybe not? |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-29-07 01:50 PM |
#99 |
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No, you provide evidence of what you suppose her motive was |
JVS |
May-29-07 01:50 PM |
#100 |
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I don't think she had a motive at all. |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-29-07 01:56 PM |
#102 |
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Well that's nice that you have your opinion |
JVS |
May-29-07 01:57 PM |
#105 |
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I purposely did not read the article because I did not want to know how |
Blue State Native |
May-29-07 01:37 PM |
#87 |
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Do you ever get tired of |
alcibiades_mystery |
May-29-07 02:23 PM |
#138 |
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Must be nice to be able to sit in judgement like that. |
High Plains |
May-29-07 12:35 PM |
#19 |
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Nope. Utter Selfishness And Evil Would Be Far More Likely. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-29-07 12:40 PM |
#24 |
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We do not know her circumstances |
malaise |
May-29-07 12:45 PM |
#28 |
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Your ignorance regarding post-partum depression is pathetic |
frankly_fedup2 |
May-29-07 12:45 PM |
#29 |
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There is no evidence of PPD |
AngryAmish |
May-29-07 12:52 PM |
#37 |
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A little soon to make that assumption, don't you think? |
Beaverhausen |
May-29-07 12:55 PM |
#42 |
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That is my point |
AngryAmish |
May-29-07 12:58 PM |
#46 |
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I agree |
alcibiades_mystery |
May-29-07 02:27 PM |
#144 |
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There is evidence of a 23 year old who had four kids in five years |
renie408 |
May-29-07 01:05 PM |
#50 |
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Let us examine your statement and see if they square with known facts |
AngryAmish |
May-29-07 01:26 PM |
#71 |
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You can make some reasonable guesses |
gollygee |
May-29-07 01:29 PM |
#76 |
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I think hanging one's own children is evidence of "damaged" nt |
mycritters2 |
May-29-07 01:32 PM |
#81 |
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It could just as easily be evidence of evilness |
AngryAmish |
May-29-07 01:38 PM |
#89 |
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I tend to think that people that commit suicide are, perhaps, not the most |
renie408 |
May-29-07 02:19 PM |
#130 |
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Evidence of "evilness"? |
alcibiades_mystery |
May-29-07 02:28 PM |
#146 |
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Perhaps you prefer "a person who does really bad things to other people" |
AngryAmish |
May-29-07 02:55 PM |
#164 |
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That's quite a translation |
alcibiades_mystery |
May-29-07 11:19 PM |
#185 |
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She rates 9.2 Vaders on the Hitlometer. |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-29-07 04:28 PM |
#177 |
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Hanging your four kids and making a run for it is evil. Hanging your four kids |
renie408 |
May-29-07 02:17 PM |
#125 |
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Ain't Nothin You Can Say That Would Change My Opinion Of Her Being A Cold Blooded Killer. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-29-07 12:53 PM |
#38 |
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Your rigidness and inability to empathize must be a great comfort |
renie408 |
May-29-07 01:06 PM |
#51 |
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Then you can wallow in your ignorance. No clear-minded individual |
frankly_fedup2 |
May-29-07 01:06 PM |
#52 |
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Oh Blah Blah Blah. Anyone Who Kills Anyone Is Mentally Ill. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-29-07 01:17 PM |
#59 |
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Not anyone but some are mentally |
malaise |
May-29-07 01:28 PM |
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cold blooded? |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-29-07 01:38 PM |
#90 |
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Oh Enough Already. She Hung 4 Children By Their Necks. Pretty Fuckin Cold Blooded To Me Pal. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-29-07 01:45 PM |
#94 |
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cold blooded describes emotional distachment. |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-29-07 01:49 PM |
#97 |
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Killing Herself Makes Her A Coward. Killing Her 4 Young Children Makes Her Cold Blooded. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-29-07 01:56 PM |
#101 |
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She's a coward now? |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-29-07 01:56 PM |
#104 |
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Please explain this strange connection you make with suicide and bravery. |
JVS |
May-29-07 02:00 PM |
#108 |
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Where are you reading that? |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-29-07 02:09 PM |
#114 |
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You keep saying that suicide is the opposite of what cowards do |
JVS |
May-29-07 02:13 PM |
#119 |
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Explain to me how suicide is cowardly. |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-29-07 02:14 PM |
#122 |
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If you are afraid of experiencing what is coming, killing yourself is a way... |
JVS |
May-29-07 02:16 PM |
#124 |
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Wait a minute... |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-29-07 02:18 PM |
#127 |
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Now your turn, explain to me how killing yourself is the last thing a cowardly person would do |
JVS |
May-29-07 02:19 PM |
#131 |
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My turn? |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-29-07 02:21 PM |
#134 |
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Explain how they aren't |
JVS |
May-29-07 02:21 PM |
#136 |
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You're assuming that |
delaware97 |
May-29-07 03:58 PM |
#174 |
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Isn't it? |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-29-07 04:27 PM |
#176 |
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OMC just wants to thump his chest and exude righteousness |
alcibiades_mystery |
May-29-07 02:29 PM |
#150 |
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No, I'm Just Not Ridiculous Enough To Excuse This Piece Of Shit's Behavior. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-29-07 02:44 PM |
#162 |
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Oh ho ho |
alcibiades_mystery |
May-29-07 03:23 PM |
#167 |
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Excuses? Who's making excuses? |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-29-07 04:29 PM |
#178 |
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you are wrong OMC- and it isn't about "opinions"- this woman |
Bluerthanblue |
May-29-07 04:52 PM |
#182 |
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You Say I'm Wrong, I Say You're Wrong. See How Easy That Is? |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-29-07 04:58 PM |
#183 |
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in your mind |
Bluerthanblue |
May-29-07 05:38 PM |
#184 |
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I wouldn't say "cold-blooded" so much as "heinous" |
JVS |
May-29-07 01:58 PM |
#106 |
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Hmm, that's how many times now you've said that? "Fuck her." nt |
raccoon |
May-29-07 02:09 PM |
#113 |
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Just curious...do you really think that saying 'fucking' repeatedly |
renie408 |
May-29-07 02:24 PM |
#141 |
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I Think I Can Talk However The Fuck I Want, And You Can Talk However The Fuck You Want. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-29-07 02:29 PM |
#149 |
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Sounds fair to me. Maybe not the best way to win an argument... |
renie408 |
May-29-07 02:33 PM |
#151 |
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Once again, |
Zavulon |
May-29-07 02:39 PM |
#157 |
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While I admire your defense of your unpopular stance in this thread, |
janx |
May-30-07 12:44 AM |
#195 |
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Do we know for sure it was the mother? |
cat_girl25 |
May-29-07 12:46 PM |
#30 |
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What a hideous attitude. You would make a nice angry god. |
High Plains |
May-29-07 02:03 PM |
#109 |
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And She'd Make A Nice Wife Of The Devil. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-29-07 02:10 PM |
#116 |
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Since you're taking a beating here, let me say this: |
Zavulon |
May-29-07 02:35 PM |
#153 |
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Umm, isn't saying "utter desperation" judgmental? |
AngryAmish |
May-29-07 01:27 PM |
#72 |
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Oh my god |
sandnsea |
May-29-07 01:21 PM |
#64 |
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gotta agree with you here. |
ComerPerro |
May-29-07 01:34 PM |
#84 |
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Apparently you aren't acquainted with |
JNelson6563 |
May-29-07 02:12 PM |
#118 |
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Such An Empty Excuse. It Condones Nothing. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-29-07 02:27 PM |
#145 |
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Desperation can lead to insanity. |
JNelson6563 |
May-29-07 03:11 PM |
#166 |
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Because, as we all know, there's no such thing as "mentally ill." |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
May-30-07 12:21 AM |
#193 |
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mental illness |
MonkeyFunk |
May-29-07 12:31 PM |
#12 |
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Here is another example |
Bitwit1234 |
May-29-07 12:32 PM |
#14 |
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What do you bet he left for another woman - one who's body |
Clark2008 |
May-29-07 12:48 PM |
#32 |
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It just said they were separated |
johnnie |
May-29-07 01:37 PM |
#88 |
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I'm surprised you posted that. |
raccoon |
May-29-07 02:10 PM |
#115 |
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Not always, my dear, but I'm betting on it. |
Clark2008 |
May-29-07 02:28 PM |
#148 |
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No |
johnnie |
May-29-07 02:36 PM |
#155 |
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Good point n/t |
malaise |
May-29-07 12:49 PM |
#33 |
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That must be true since everyone knows that .... |
TahitiNut |
May-29-07 01:20 PM |
#63 |
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You ever hear of postpartum depression? |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
May-29-07 02:18 PM |
#126 |
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Q.E.D. |
TahitiNut |
May-29-07 03:54 PM |
#173 |
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but there are women who think that having a baby will "solve" their problems |
SoCalDem |
May-29-07 01:46 PM |
#96 |
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It's called post-par tum psychosis. It's real, it's dangerous, and |
frankly_fedup2 |
May-29-07 12:32 PM |
#15 |
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Thanks for this |
malaise |
May-29-07 12:35 PM |
#20 |
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They say when you think your not crazy, that is when you are and visa versa; however, |
frankly_fedup2 |
May-29-07 12:43 PM |
#27 |
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At least you knew you needed help |
malaise |
May-29-07 12:47 PM |
#31 |
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We all have regrets whether we have been sick or not (nt). |
frankly_fedup2 |
May-29-07 12:52 PM |
#36 |
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I love my doctor. |
Clark2008 |
May-29-07 12:54 PM |
#40 |
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Red state madness, plain and simple. No social services, etc. nm |
T Wolf |
May-29-07 12:33 PM |
#16 |
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partly correct |
malaise |
May-29-07 12:55 PM |
#44 |
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I immediately thought of Thomas Hardy's "Jude the Obscure" and one of its more |
Malikshah |
May-29-07 12:34 PM |
#17 |
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I was thinking about "Tess" the other day.... |
PassingFair |
May-29-07 12:53 PM |
#39 |
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Then you go read "The Darkling Thrush." |
Idealist Hippie |
May-29-07 01:19 PM |
#60 |
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Then there's this: |
PassingFair |
May-29-07 01:49 PM |
#98 |
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Yes. Ha. Thank you. I just love Hardy, also read through every novel he wrote and later |
Idealist Hippie |
May-29-07 02:07 PM |
#112 |
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Thanks for that n/t |
malaise |
May-29-07 02:20 PM |
#133 |
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My first thought |
Mz Pip |
May-29-07 01:15 PM |
#58 |
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True. It was the image of the poor souls in the closet that stuck with me. |
Malikshah |
May-29-07 02:25 PM |
#142 |
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Untreated Mental Illness |
Madspirit |
May-29-07 12:34 PM |
#18 |
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Why are you assuming murder-suicide |
China_cat |
May-29-07 12:36 PM |
#21 |
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Hanging is not a quick death. It is a slow suffocation because rarely |
frankly_fedup2 |
May-29-07 12:50 PM |
#34 |
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Exactly. Which is why the baby still being alive |
China_cat |
May-29-07 01:30 PM |
#78 |
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cnn is saying the door was locked from the inside and the neighbors said she had been |
chimpsrsmarter |
May-29-07 01:00 PM |
#48 |
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My door locks from the inside when you pull it closed. |
China_cat |
May-29-07 01:28 PM |
#73 |
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Why would we ever assume a man wasn't guilty? |
jesus_of_suburbia |
May-29-07 01:09 PM |
#53 |
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Why shouldn't we at least question, in cases where |
China_cat |
May-29-07 01:34 PM |
#82 |
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*snarf* |
ComerPerro |
May-29-07 01:35 PM |
#86 |
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Check the stats n/t |
malaise |
May-29-07 02:21 PM |
#135 |
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Republican Family Values nt |
Taverner |
May-29-07 12:41 PM |
#26 |
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self delete |
kineta |
May-29-07 12:51 PM |
#35 |
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Some women in some religions aren't allowed to control their own |
valerief |
May-29-07 12:55 PM |
#41 |
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Not so much a matter of "wanting" them -- one person can care properly for only so many small people |
Idealist Hippie |
May-29-07 01:21 PM |
#65 |
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Mental illness. |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-29-07 12:55 PM |
#43 |
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the same thing happened in this town in 2002- |
w8liftinglady |
May-29-07 01:10 PM |
#54 |
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article from 2002 |
w8liftinglady |
May-29-07 02:28 PM |
#147 |
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Obviously caused by our failure to enact reasonable rope control laws |
slackmaster |
May-29-07 01:13 PM |
#55 |
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Failing to change the culture of death |
sandnsea |
May-29-07 01:23 PM |
#68 |
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That is a serious problem n/t |
malaise |
May-29-07 02:19 PM |
#129 |
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One of the kids survived probably wouldn't have if she use your favorite tool |
billbuckhead |
May-29-07 01:23 PM |
#69 |
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Bad decision-making |
JVS |
May-29-07 01:20 PM |
#62 |
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It might very well be post-partum psychosis |
gollygee |
May-29-07 01:25 PM |
#70 |
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How sad. How terribly, terribly sad. |
mycritters2 |
May-29-07 01:29 PM |
#75 |
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Call whom, exactly? |
Jed Dilligan |
May-29-07 02:13 PM |
#120 |
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Call family, call a doctor, call a clergyperson |
mycritters2 |
May-29-07 02:18 PM |
#128 |
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I have a feeling that anyone this woman knew |
Jed Dilligan |
May-29-07 03:39 PM |
#171 |
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Psychotic people don't know it |
sandnsea |
May-29-07 02:36 PM |
#154 |
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Hopelessness, desperation, failure |
baldguy |
May-29-07 01:32 PM |
#80 |
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If She did it, She isn't the Victim |
veniceboy |
May-29-07 01:45 PM |
#95 |
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Interesting for your first post. |
raccoon |
May-29-07 02:15 PM |
#123 |
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Even in their poverty most other cultures |
malaise |
May-29-07 02:23 PM |
#137 |
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A patriarchal society that convinces women to be baby making machines... |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
May-29-07 01:56 PM |
#103 |
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RIGHT ON Lynyrd_skynyrd!! |
Madspirit |
May-29-07 02:24 PM |
#140 |
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I started a new thread on this... |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
May-29-07 03:08 PM |
#165 |
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And post-partum psychosis |
sandnsea |
May-29-07 02:38 PM |
#156 |
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that and the belief that death is not the worst of evils- which is |
Bluerthanblue |
May-29-07 04:41 PM |
#181 |
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"Texas has seen a disturbing number of child killings by mothers in recent years." |
depakid |
May-29-07 02:20 PM |
#132 |
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That's what abstinence education will do for a state. n/t |
renie408 |
May-29-07 02:26 PM |
#143 |
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along with poor or non-existant social services... |
depakid |
May-29-07 02:40 PM |
#159 |
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Mental illness |
zippy890 |
May-29-07 02:24 PM |
#139 |
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everything is not society's fault |
veniceboy |
May-29-07 03:28 PM |
#168 |
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My guess was extreme post partum psychosis coupled with poverty |
Marnieworld |
May-29-07 03:36 PM |
#170 |
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So much for the saying that God |
StarryNite |
May-29-07 04:35 PM |
#180 |
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Those kids shouldn't have been born. |
kurth |
May-29-07 11:27 PM |
#186 |
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I saw a bumper sticker re "abortion the cruelest form of child abuse." |
lonestarnot |
May-29-07 11:30 PM |
#187 |
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The woman deserved a lot of help to raise those kids. |
Perragrande |
May-29-07 11:45 PM |
#190 |
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Given that it is more often men... |
VelmaD |
May-29-07 11:30 PM |
#188 |
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Society has always lurched along |
spoony |
May-29-07 11:42 PM |
#189 |
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damn, I didn't realize that made national news |
RGBolen |
May-29-07 11:54 PM |
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How do we know her husband didn't kill them all? |
Nikki Stone1 |
May-30-07 12:19 AM |
#192 |
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Who knows? |
Rex |
May-30-07 12:23 AM |
#194 |
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