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| -Fire Crews Respond, Then Sit & Watch Home Burn, Family Forced To Pay |
DeSwiss |
May-28-07 04:25 PM |
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Ten grand for those guys to sit on their asses? I believe this happened |
acmavm |
May-28-07 04:29 PM |
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I believe you mis read the story |
ashling |
May-28-07 06:36 PM |
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Oh, I guess I got my less than worthless jackasses mixed up. |
acmavm |
May-28-07 06:54 PM |
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That's easy to do these days |
ashling |
May-28-07 08:05 PM |
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Why not offshore THAT labor too? If they're that late... |
HypnoToad |
May-28-07 04:29 PM |
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Why not just disband the whole thing? |
The_Casual_Observer |
May-28-07 04:35 PM |
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Thank you HypnoToad. I borrowed your logic if you don't mind. |
Gentle Giant |
May-28-07 04:47 PM |
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Why the Mesa FD? |
petersjo02 |
May-28-07 04:53 PM |
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Why? |
dbackjon |
May-28-07 05:02 PM |
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Self-del |
HypnoToad |
May-28-07 05:50 PM |
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Why's that? |
YellowRubberDuckie |
May-28-07 06:56 PM |
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because they chose not to pay the taxes which |
ellenfl |
May-28-07 07:18 PM |
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Yes, they are funded through taxes... |
YellowRubberDuckie |
May-28-07 07:43 PM |
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? |
ellenfl |
May-28-07 08:14 PM |
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I didn't say all of them...I said this particular family. |
YellowRubberDuckie |
May-28-07 09:26 PM |
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delete - dupe |
ellenfl |
May-28-07 07:18 PM |
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Wowzers. |
HypnoToad |
May-28-07 05:44 PM |
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Pull up your lawn chair, get out the marshmallows... |
liberal N proud |
May-28-07 04:33 PM |
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Welcome to Republikkkan Amerika! |
tabasco |
May-28-07 04:41 PM |
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SCOTUS has said government is not obligated to protect an individual unless she/he is in custody. |
jody |
May-28-07 04:46 PM |
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I'm about as rural as you can get. |
tabasco |
May-28-07 05:41 PM |
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I believe in helping others but I was talking about government, not people. n/t |
jody |
May-28-07 05:51 PM |
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Is the government where you live comprised of robots from different jurisdictions? |
tabasco |
May-28-07 05:56 PM |
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No more so than bystanders ignoring the assault while Deontae Bradley savagely beat a 91 yr old man. |
jody |
May-28-07 06:32 PM |
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Good Samaritans! |
tenaciousradical |
May-28-07 04:51 PM |
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See DU thread "Forestry Service Firefighters: "We're Not Going To Die For Property" |
jody |
May-28-07 04:59 PM |
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I understand why they didn't fight the fire, but I don't understand the charge |
orangepeel68 |
May-28-07 04:59 PM |
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Two different fire Departments |
dbackjon |
May-28-07 05:01 PM |
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oh, okay. So the dept. that refused isn't the one billing. |
orangepeel68 |
May-28-07 05:12 PM |
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Yeah, this has happened in other areas, too -- I remember when it happened in Greensboro/Guilford Co |
LostinVA |
May-28-07 05:15 PM |
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Not sure why ANYONE is upset about this |
dbackjon |
May-28-07 04:59 PM |
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sounds like this is a complicated issue |
jollyreaper2112 |
May-28-07 05:04 PM |
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Not really very complicated |
dbackjon |
May-28-07 05:08 PM |
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This is exactly why volunteer fire departments are formed. |
A HERETIC I AM |
May-28-07 05:14 PM |
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Problem with that is that most are scattered and separated |
dbackjon |
May-28-07 05:18 PM |
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Equipment can be acquired through donations or grants... |
A HERETIC I AM |
May-28-07 05:31 PM |
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There are many volunteer fire districts in AZ that serve |
Tansy_Gold |
May-28-07 05:58 PM |
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was the choice to annex into Gilbert or Chandler |
Clovis Sangrail |
May-28-07 05:27 PM |
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Each island could vote, and individual property owners could Annex |
dbackjon |
May-28-07 05:53 PM |
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If they participate in a mutual aid contract |
mtnester |
May-28-07 06:17 PM |
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No mutual aid in existance |
dbackjon |
May-28-07 06:19 PM |
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As far as I know, there has NEVER been a county-wide |
Tansy_Gold |
May-28-07 06:30 PM |
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It also sounds dickish to get mad at people for not risking their lives for your property for free. |
BlooInBloo |
May-28-07 05:12 PM |
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Funny thing about the private property bit. |
Selatius |
May-28-07 06:48 PM |
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You're completely right -- no complaints from me |
LostinVA |
May-28-07 05:17 PM |
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Ah, now that makes sense. |
HypnoToad |
May-28-07 05:52 PM |
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Plus, if any of the firefighters gets killed or injured, they would be personally responsible |
ComerPerro |
May-28-07 06:11 PM |
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that was my first thought. |
FLDem5 |
May-28-07 06:57 PM |
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Having lived in unincorporated areas most of my life, |
LWolf |
May-29-07 06:47 AM |
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What for? |
Spangle |
May-28-07 05:03 PM |
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i'd tell them to cram that 10 grand up their asses.... |
Blue_Tires |
May-28-07 05:05 PM |
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oh, this is rich |
jollyreaper2112 |
May-28-07 05:06 PM |
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The lawn chairs...they're sending a deliberate message. |
flvegan |
May-28-07 05:10 PM |
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I thought that too. |
Gormy Cuss |
May-28-07 06:11 PM |
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Perhaps they wanted to make sure the fire didn't spread into the town? |
petronius |
May-28-07 11:13 PM |
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Penny wise, pound foolish |
WolverineDG |
May-28-07 05:11 PM |
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I'm on labor's side on this one. It's analogous to a strike, where the community is the employer. |
BlooInBloo |
May-28-07 05:16 PM |
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Suppose someone had died in that fire. |
Skidmore |
May-28-07 05:46 PM |
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Name removed |
May-28-07 05:49 PM |
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I repeat, people's lives were going up in smoke. |
Skidmore |
May-28-07 05:54 PM |
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lol! Just makin shit up as you go - damn the facts! Full speed ahead! lolol! |
BlooInBloo |
May-28-07 05:56 PM |
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I'm not just assuming that all people living there are doing so because |
Skidmore |
May-28-07 06:09 PM |
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In the context of the story as reported, it's a stupid point. |
BlooInBloo |
May-28-07 06:11 PM |
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Not stupid at all. It's a commentary on how preoccupied this society |
Skidmore |
May-28-07 06:13 PM |
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That's a fine rephrasing of the stupid point. |
BlooInBloo |
May-28-07 06:15 PM |
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I take it that you could calmly sit in a lawnchair and watch |
Skidmore |
May-28-07 06:16 PM |
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After verifying that no one's life was at risk, and after they refused to to pay for my services? |
BlooInBloo |
May-28-07 06:19 PM |
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So, the family with a home on fire is "the corporation" then? |
flvegan |
May-28-07 07:11 PM |
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Yes, taxpayers who vote for/against incorporation ARE the employer... |
BlooInBloo |
May-28-07 08:02 PM |
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How did that family vote? |
flvegan |
May-28-07 08:12 PM |
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Full circle. Addressed that issue in my post. |
BlooInBloo |
May-28-07 08:15 PM |
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Considering how "all over the place" you are |
flvegan |
May-28-07 08:36 PM |
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This is a continuing and increasingly serious problem in AZ |
Tansy_Gold |
May-28-07 05:36 PM |
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Its not like a property owner can sign a contract, and boom, they are annexed by a city... |
Solon |
May-28-07 05:59 PM |
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Please read the links to the Town of Gilbert I provided above |
dbackjon |
May-28-07 06:02 PM |
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Annexation in Arizona is a strange thing, and even "contiguous" |
Tansy_Gold |
May-28-07 06:08 PM |
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Actually, in my area, we have the opposite problem, especially in regards to contiguous areas... |
Solon |
May-28-07 06:30 PM |
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In Arizona we have "strip-annexation," in which |
Tansy_Gold |
May-28-07 06:46 PM |
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I think, technically, that its the same in my area... |
Solon |
May-28-07 07:02 PM |
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What a truly backward system. |
Gormy Cuss |
May-28-07 06:09 PM |
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When I lived in Oregon, there was a rather large community |
igil |
May-28-07 05:42 PM |
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*Personal* responsibility, libertarian jackasses. You got nothing to bitch about. |
BlooInBloo |
May-28-07 05:53 PM |
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LOL |
ComerPerro |
May-28-07 06:11 PM |
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firefighters |
joshdawg |
May-28-07 05:57 PM |
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Excuse me? |
dbackjon |
May-28-07 06:03 PM |
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Seems more likely to me that the freeloaders could've sued the firefighters... |
BlooInBloo |
May-28-07 06:10 PM |
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Oh frigging brother |
LostinVA |
May-28-07 06:32 PM |
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... |
sniffa |
May-29-07 06:28 AM |
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Republican Lawmakers now want to FORCE Gilbert to provide Fire Service |
dbackjon |
May-28-07 06:16 PM |
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What we're seeing is a real-life, real-time reductio ad absurdum of libertarianism. |
BlooInBloo |
May-28-07 06:21 PM |
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So, what happens when you're in an incorporated area..... |
tyedyeto |
May-28-07 06:24 PM |
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"blackmail" - what an "interesting" way to characterize the cost of labor.... |
BlooInBloo |
May-28-07 06:26 PM |
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It is blackmail... |
tyedyeto |
May-28-07 06:32 PM |
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(shrug) Well, you have at your disposal all of the standard anti-labor techniques. Have fun. |
BlooInBloo |
May-28-07 06:33 PM |
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Hey! I live within the township's borders... |
tyedyeto |
May-28-07 08:15 PM |
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That does not seem fair, either |
dbackjon |
May-28-07 06:26 PM |
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Who knows.... |
tyedyeto |
May-28-07 08:11 PM |
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Living in southern Arizona within the city limits of an incorpoated town |
tyedyeto |
May-28-07 06:20 PM |
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I've heard of rural areas where people had to pay a |
xmas74 |
May-28-07 06:39 PM |
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jesus - they recognized the validity of this even back in Socrates' day.... |
BlooInBloo |
May-28-07 06:41 PM |
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From what I understood about the story |
xmas74 |
May-28-07 06:49 PM |
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Then that's a bet the family chose to make. It's bizarre in the extreme to say... |
BlooInBloo |
May-28-07 06:55 PM |
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I sure hope you don't ever need help and can't afford it. |
Skidmore |
May-28-07 07:02 PM |
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No worries. I'll always choose to pony up my fair share of taxes so as to receive the benefits... |
BlooInBloo |
May-28-07 07:07 PM |
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What if the majority in your area votes against it? |
flvegan |
May-28-07 08:13 PM |
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Then it's my decision to live there or not. Duh. This is as old as Socrates. |
BlooInBloo |
May-28-07 08:16 PM |
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Good thing you've got the money to be the decider. |
flvegan |
May-28-07 08:33 PM |
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Yah - everybody is too poor to move, when they judge they're in imminent danger of... |
BlooInBloo |
May-28-07 08:41 PM |
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That's a pretty fucking pathetic response. |
flvegan |
May-28-07 08:49 PM |
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Not as pathetic as your entire anti-labor freeloader line of "thought". |
BlooInBloo |
May-28-07 08:51 PM |
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Which doesn't begin to |
flvegan |
May-28-07 08:55 PM |
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We share one on our ignore lists now. |
xmas74 |
May-28-07 11:09 PM |
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Thank you! |
xmas74 |
May-28-07 07:08 PM |
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That they couldn't afford that service? |
xmas74 |
May-28-07 07:03 PM |
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Rural Metro has a, a-hem, checkered past re billing as I recall |
havocmom |
May-28-07 08:14 PM |
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what a fucked up country we have |
Solly Mack |
May-28-07 08:18 PM |
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I don't blame the firefighters at all |
gollygee |
May-28-07 08:20 PM |
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So then it seems what you're saying is that |
flvegan |
May-28-07 08:35 PM |
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They weren't risking their life and health sitting on lawn chairs |
gollygee |
May-28-07 08:37 PM |
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How did that family vote? |
flvegan |
May-28-07 08:40 PM |
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I don't care how they vote |
gollygee |
May-28-07 08:42 PM |
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So, even if they voted to be part of the municipality |
flvegan |
May-28-07 08:52 PM |
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In AZ, voting isn't the issue when it comes to fire protection |
tyedyeto |
May-28-07 09:06 PM |
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My response is influenced by the fact that I've seen this differently here |
gollygee |
May-29-07 06:37 AM |
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If a firefighter had been injured or killed |
dropkickpa |
May-29-07 09:10 AM |
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This kind of thing has always been used as a joke against libertarians |
Canuckistanian |
May-28-07 08:54 PM |
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That's messed up |
Nikia |
May-28-07 09:19 PM |
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That's pretty shitty. |
Elrond Hubbard |
May-28-07 11:19 PM |
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The city firefighters who refused are not the ones charging. |
orangepeel68 |
May-29-07 05:05 PM |
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I know it was the private company that sucks. |
Elrond Hubbard |
May-29-07 06:57 PM |
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Oh, sorry |
orangepeel68 |
May-29-07 07:13 PM |
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Could they refuse the "service"? I know I would have. |
Wcross |
May-29-07 08:43 AM |
#126 |
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