Reply #65: The way to save lives is to get out. There is no military solution.

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Hillary was NOT fooled. She chose to believe the lies because it was expedient to do so. Cindy Sheehan never excused Hillary and neither will I.

By the way, you mention that ideolgoues don't listen...but are YOU listening? I'm glad that I haven't stopped listening. I previously supported Edwards until I learned that he followed the herd on the war instead of seeking out the truth. Are you willing to admit the truth about Hillary? Or is it easier to tar me as an "ideologue" and excuse Hillary for talking out of her neck?

It's not fair to call anyone an ideologue for pointing out the TRUTH and the FACTS about Hillary's support for this war. The way to save lives has been made very clear -- by the experts Bushco fired, by the strategists Buscho ignored, and by the Iraq Study Group that Buscho dismissed. It's to get OUT and stop trying to play World Cop for a nation (Iraq) that is not a nation at all, and which is the center of a regional conflict in which every move we make kills thousands more. Our presence is the problem. That's not an ideology, it's a fact and if Hillary intentionally refuses to recognize it then she doesn't deserve the progressive vote or anyone else's vote.

Iraq is not a single issue -- it's the most important issue because it has bearing on everything else that progressives hope to accomplish toward building a better America and a better world.

Hillary's supporters' argument is essentially this: Because lots of people were lied to by Bush, let's vote for someone else who believed those lies. The decision to believe those lies was intentional...the truth was out there but it was easier to go along with the crowd, especially when making cold, calculated moves toward the approval of the increasingly marginal "Christian Right". I'm on DU because as Steven Colbert put it, "reality has a liberal bias", and I'm deeply suspicious of anyone trying to say that my worldview is just an ideology that rejects facts and embraces emotion. That's nonsense. When the facts don't support an argument, then it's the argument that should be changed. Hillary refuses to take responsibility for her embrace of Bushco and she's attempting to have it both ways. Cindy is just the messenger. Sorry that the news is bad for your candidate.