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Response to Reply #151
177. That's why I wanted to mention the link.
Edited on Thu Feb-01-07 08:49 PM by Straight Shooter
I read the remarks of Biden because they were posted on a DU thread, and I read DU assiduously to try to understand opinions from different perspectives. However, I haven't listened to the audio of his statement, because Iran is weighing much more on my mind than Biden, whom I don't believe has a snowball's chance in hell of winning the Dem nomination anyway.

I have never seen the benefit of attacking a messenger who conveys a different opinion, particularly when that messenger comes from within the same group to which one belongs.

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  -The only racism today was from Obama Tactical Progressive  Feb-01-07 01:10 AM   #0 
  - Ooookay....  dicksteele   Feb-01-07 01:11 AM   #1 
  - Hey, pass some over here!  Lex   Feb-01-07 01:12 AM   #6 
     - :)  dicksteele   Feb-01-07 01:16 AM   #14 
  - Well, everyone has their own opinion on it.  Lex   Feb-01-07 01:12 AM   #2 
  - Well, they're wrong  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 01:12 AM   #5 
  - Or vice versa.  Lex   Feb-01-07 01:13 AM   #7 
  - Except not  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 01:14 AM   #10 
     - I say you are correct about  Lex   Feb-01-07 01:16 AM   #15 
        - Except that I actually heard the words  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 01:21 AM   #18 
           - Your opinion is still only your opinion. Not a fact.  Lex   Feb-01-07 01:24 AM   #20 
           - No but they make my opinion  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 01:29 AM   #26 
              - I heard the audio, too  MonkeyFunk   Feb-01-07 01:36 AM   #32 
           - Dude or Dudette...  SquireJons   Feb-01-07 03:14 AM   #58 
           - It's not irrelevant  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 03:43 AM   #61 
              - Well, apparently, Biden doesn't agree with you  SquireJons   Feb-01-07 05:29 PM   #150 
                 - He's dealing with political fallout  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 05:39 PM   #154 
                    - The KING BEE HAS SPOKEN!  Karenina   Feb-01-07 06:42 PM   #164 
           - I heard the actual audio too and it WAS very condescending & racist  ima_sinnic   Feb-01-07 03:31 AM   #59 
              - IWO, to you  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 04:04 AM   #62 
              - nice of you to purposely distort my meaning  ima_sinnic   Feb-01-07 05:53 AM   #76 
                 - I didn't distort your meaning at all  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 06:25 AM   #86 
                    - continue to pretend you don't know what I mean  ima_sinnic   Feb-01-07 06:41 AM   #90 
                       - I'm not pretending I don't know what you mean  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 06:52 AM   #92 
              - I heard the audio to on ABC World News Now, and it was racist.  Exiled in America   Feb-01-07 04:06 AM   #63 
              - Well, maybe not VERY racist. That's setting the bar a little low  Bucky   Feb-02-07 12:52 AM   #194 
                 - I like your analyses  Tactical Progressive   Feb-02-07 01:43 AM   #196 
                    - a black point of view on the subject of being articulate  kwassa   Feb-02-07 12:03 PM   #200 
                       - Thank for that articulate response!  Bucky   Feb-02-07 06:23 PM   #201 
                       - That was an informative reference. Thanks.  Tactical Progressive   Feb-03-07 05:14 AM   #209 
  - That's very condescending of you to tell all of us black people that  Kahuna   Feb-01-07 05:08 AM   #71 
     - I wasn't telling black people that they're wrong  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 05:26 AM   #73 
     - Agreed. The focus of your arrogant condescension was in no way limited to "Black" people.  dicksteele   Feb-01-07 06:09 AM   #79 
        - OK, reams of nasty racist accusations against Biden  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 07:17 AM   #97 
        - listen for yourself, Mr. Steele  paulk   Feb-01-07 05:43 PM   #155 
     - It is very condescending to tell liberal white people they are racist  treestar   Feb-01-07 04:19 PM   #145 
        - There is no discrete line  Moochy   Feb-01-07 06:36 PM   #162 
  - Or White  Dorian Gray   Feb-01-07 11:50 AM   #120 
     - Another Irish person checking in, and I disagree with the OP...  Solon   Feb-01-07 08:02 PM   #174 
  - Where did you hear the audio? NT  Eric J in MN   Feb-01-07 01:12 AM   #3 
  - I was replayed on Keith Olberman, I think  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 01:13 AM   #8 
     - For someone so "sure" about what he said, it's funny you can't remember where.  seriousstan   Feb-01-07 01:29 AM   #27 
        - Sorry  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 01:32 AM   #29 
        - And not "ha ha" funny, either.  dicksteele   Feb-01-07 06:20 AM   #84 
  - Catch the Daily Show if you missed it. The Biden appearance.  MADem   Feb-01-07 01:12 AM   #4 
  - It was painful  Lex   Feb-01-07 01:13 AM   #9 
     - Actually, I thought it was kind of funny--he put him through the appropriate level of "necessary  MADem   Feb-01-07 01:24 AM   #21 
     - Bingo....  quickesst   Feb-01-07 05:46 AM   #75 
     - Agreed - Jon did a great job  Laurab   Feb-01-07 10:41 AM   #112 
     - Are you saying it was painful that he was covering for Biden? n/t  Leopolds Ghost   Feb-01-07 01:26 AM   #22 
        - I didn't say he was "covering for Biden" at all. nt  Lex   Feb-01-07 01:27 AM   #23 
  - Obama stands up for himself.  Erika   Feb-01-07 01:15 AM   #11 
  - Can't we all just get along??? EOM  physioex   Feb-01-07 01:16 AM   #13 
  - He neither stood up against anything  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 01:19 AM   #17 
     - What the hell did Obama do to "score points"?  fujiyama   Feb-01-07 11:39 PM   #190 
        - Well, we can't know exactly what political calculus  Tactical Progressive   Feb-02-07 12:56 AM   #195 
  - I don't think either one is guilty of "playing the race card"  Syrinx   Feb-01-07 01:16 AM   #12 
  - Yeah, because lord knows pointing out racism still exists is highly inflammatory.  Leopolds Ghost   Feb-01-07 01:28 AM   #24 
     - Yes, I think racism should always be pointed out  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 01:31 AM   #28 
     - I'm not sure if you are agreeing with me or disagreeing  Syrinx   Feb-01-07 01:39 AM   #33 
     - the only real racism is when you react to racism  fishwax   Feb-01-07 01:43 AM   #37 
        - No, that's not the only real racism.  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 01:47 AM   #40 
           - well, you did say that Obama was the real racist today  fishwax   Feb-01-07 02:00 AM   #43 
              - I didn't say Obama was a racist today  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 02:10 AM   #47 
                 - Your pontificating is  Karenina   Feb-01-07 07:20 AM   #98 
                 - No it's not  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 07:37 AM   #99 
                    - Yes, I'm quite aware that "articulate, bright and clean"  Karenina   Feb-01-07 05:14 PM   #149 
                 - it's not surprising, of course, that you wouldn't see how the pattern applies to your post  fishwax   Feb-01-07 12:55 PM   #124 
                 - King Bee.  Karenina   Feb-01-07 01:13 PM   #125 
                 - Obama wasn't a racist, but The only racism today was from Obama  uppityperson   Feb-01-07 03:10 PM   #138 
  - Biden put his foot in his mouth. Obama made a political point.  Pigwidgeon   Feb-01-07 01:18 AM   #16 
  - Obama did make political points  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 01:28 AM   #25 
  - My, what a 'Tactical' post....progressive????  alittlelark   Feb-01-07 01:21 AM   #19 
  - I'm not smearing anybody  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 01:34 AM   #30 
  - Uh, yeah.............  alittlelark   Feb-01-07 01:43 AM   #36 
  - very noble of you  fishwax   Feb-01-07 01:45 AM   #39 
  - Are you trying to suggest that some posters on DU might have an axe to grind?  Leopolds Ghost   Feb-01-07 01:35 AM   #31 
     - Oh, ME!!! NEVER!!!! I would never accuse operatives  alittlelark   Feb-01-07 01:42 AM   #35 
     - Greetings from the human race, oh visitor.  Donald Ian Rankin   Feb-01-07 07:17 AM   #96 
     - Oh my, are you trying to suggest that that might be me?  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 01:44 AM   #38 
        - If I were a tactical operative I would try to save $$$ by  alittlelark   Feb-01-07 01:58 AM   #42 
        - Yes, I thought Obama handled the Madrassa slime  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 02:15 AM   #48 
           - If there is another DUer that says Obama 'played it low'  alittlelark   Feb-01-07 02:19 AM   #50 
              - 'With it' ??  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 02:28 AM   #54 
              - Goodnight... sleep tight, Don't let the ??????  alittlelark   Feb-01-07 02:31 AM   #55 
        - OK, except I don't like to pick fights.  Leopolds Ghost   Feb-01-07 06:15 AM   #81 
  - hey I agree with ya...  ruiner4u   Feb-01-07 01:40 AM   #34 
  - "why some people are hunting biden is beyond me"  Bluebear   Feb-01-07 01:55 AM   #41 
  - Good answer.  dicksteele   Feb-01-07 02:01 AM   #44 
  - Yeah, I hated that vote too  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 02:03 AM   #45 
     - So if he is appeasing his contributors at the expense of the common man..  Bluebear   Feb-01-07 02:06 AM   #46 
     - Well, here we come to a much larger issue  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 02:26 AM   #53 
     - Oh Yeah.....  bvar22   Feb-01-07 10:42 AM   #113 
        - Well, it is OK  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 03:58 PM   #142 
           - If you don't stand up for your core principles, what do you have?  mvd   Feb-01-07 05:34 PM   #152 
  - There's one!!!! Star and all  alittlelark   Feb-01-07 02:24 AM   #51 
  - As long as we are bitching about all this:  lvx35   Feb-01-07 02:18 AM   #49 
  - Obviously, there are terms that any white who has progressed  pampango   Feb-01-07 07:55 AM   #102 
     - Good questions  lvx35   Feb-01-07 08:44 PM   #176 
  - I'm a bit confused  Superman Returns   Feb-01-07 02:24 AM   #52 
  - I'm not quite sure what you're saying  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 02:45 AM   #57 
     - From this alone:  w13rd0   Feb-01-07 04:24 AM   #64 
     - You're not going to get me to say  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 04:48 AM   #66 
     - Obama commented because the press hounded him to do so.  monarch   Feb-01-07 04:50 AM   #67 
        - I didn't even realize that it had developed that way  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 05:03 AM   #69 
           - How was Obama "supposed to handle it differently"?  fujiyama   Feb-01-07 11:50 PM   #191 
  - I even like Biden somewhat, but I thought he really stuck his foot in  Zynx   Feb-01-07 02:42 AM   #56 
  - See, Biden's such a natural born riverboat bullshitter he just can't help it.  A-Schwarzenegger   Feb-01-07 03:39 AM   #60 
  - Barack's statement was racist? Gimme a break...  48percenter   Feb-01-07 04:38 AM   #65 
  - I didn't say Barack's statement was racist  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 04:54 AM   #68 
  - I'm black and while the comments were not racist they were most certainly  Kahuna   Feb-01-07 05:07 AM   #70 
  - His comments were neither racist nor condescending  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 06:15 AM   #82 
  - Reminds me of that Chris Rock skit  laundry_queen   Feb-01-07 10:40 AM   #111 
  - We can't have any of those uppity minority types standing  Skidmore   Feb-01-07 05:14 AM   #72 
  - Hillary is no follower  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 05:38 AM   #74 
     - Another whitey chiming in on what is offensive and not offensive to African-Americans  trumad   Feb-01-07 06:03 AM   #77 
     - Oh gosh  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 06:45 AM   #91 
     - See post 5 ...  trumad   Feb-01-07 08:05 AM   #103 
     - As a white guy, I would say that any white who has progressed  pampango   Feb-01-07 01:43 PM   #129 
        - I think we're getting stuck on the wodr articulate...  trumad   Feb-01-07 02:11 PM   #130 
           - Fair enough. I was just trying to put the hoopla over  pampango   Feb-01-07 02:53 PM   #134 
     - yes, Iraq is so conveniently "complex" that we don't "understand"  ima_sinnic   Feb-01-07 06:13 AM   #80 
     - Ah, preach it.  Skidmore   Feb-01-07 06:24 AM   #85 
     - Hillary paints herself that way by her actions and words.  Skidmore   Feb-01-07 06:15 AM   #83 
     - Oh, I see.  bvar22   Feb-01-07 11:09 AM   #115 
        - No, you don't see  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 03:42 PM   #141 
  - Another "poor Joe" defense  Lurking_Argyle   Feb-01-07 06:06 AM   #78 
  - My most charitable response to this nasty little bit of "thinking" is that  retread   Feb-01-07 06:28 AM   #87 
  - My most charitable response to your nasty little retort  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 06:54 AM   #93 
     - No surprise. n/t  retread   Feb-01-07 06:57 AM   #94 
  - wow- i didn't know that joe biden posted here at DU!!  QuestionAll   Feb-01-07 06:31 AM   #88 
  - LOL! I was inclined so post something similar, but  Skidmore   Feb-01-07 06:33 AM   #89 
  - Hi!  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 07:00 AM   #95 
     - Lighten up.  Skidmore   Feb-01-07 07:43 AM   #100 
        - Holy smokes  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 07:47 AM   #101 
           - You remind me of the scene in Animal House where the gang  trumad   Feb-01-07 08:11 AM   #104 
              - I just watched that scene about two weeks ago  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 06:24 PM   #161 
  - I could not agree more with you!  DemEtienne   Feb-01-07 10:25 AM   #105 
  - LOL!  sfexpat2000   Feb-01-07 10:30 AM   #106 
  - Sigh... This is playing out just as I had expected  Truth Hurts A Lot   Feb-01-07 10:31 AM   #107 
  - No,  DemEtienne   Feb-01-07 10:38 AM   #110 
  - I'm not sure  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 04:07 PM   #143 
  - yeah, right, cuz...why again? Ah, you FEEL this way - that settles it.  The Count   Feb-01-07 10:33 AM   #108 
  - Except that he made not the slightest slur  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 04:14 PM   #144 
  - what it sounded like to me: first black guy who had power of speech and decent hygiene  yurbud   Feb-01-07 10:34 AM   #109 
  - Well, first off he didn't say that about the 'first black guy who...'  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 04:23 PM   #146 
  - Yea, as a pink guy i just crawled out from underneath a rock yesterday too  nolabels   Feb-01-07 10:55 AM   #114 
  - I felt Biden was looking for the word "preppy"  truedelphi   Feb-01-07 11:15 AM   #116 
  - I agree with you, too, after hearing his remarks.  Ron_Green   Feb-01-07 11:24 AM   #117 
  - Thank you, Ron  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 05:03 PM   #147 
  - So it is not even "remotely condescending"  MathGuy   Feb-01-07 11:47 AM   #118 
  - Except that he wasn't comparing him to other black people  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 05:11 PM   #148 
     - Not Comparing?  Moochy   Feb-02-07 07:40 PM   #202 
        - The only comparison Biden made was 'mainstream'  Tactical Progressive   Feb-02-07 11:08 PM   #206 
  - His statements were most definitely  Dorian Gray   Feb-01-07 11:48 AM   #119 
  - Asserting something firmly doesn't make it so.  Marr   Feb-01-07 11:52 AM   #121 
  - You mean like those asserting that Biden's remarks  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 07:02 PM   #168 
     - Yes, exactly like that. Which is why I said,  Marr   Feb-01-07 11:13 PM   #184 
        - Fair enough  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 11:39 PM   #189 
           - Obama's dishonest use of the race card?  fujiyama   Feb-01-07 11:57 PM   #192 
              - Well then,  Tactical Progressive   Feb-02-07 02:11 AM   #197 
  - Isn't it refreshing to see the attack dogs on Obama? Hillary & Edwards shouldn't be alone!  mnhtnbb   Feb-01-07 12:00 PM   #122 
  - FWIW, talkingpointsmemo had a discussion yesterday on this subject  Straight Shooter   Feb-01-07 12:23 PM   #123 
  - Thank you very much for the link, Straight Shooter  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 05:33 PM   #151 
     - That's why I wanted to mention the link.  Straight Shooter   Feb-01-07 08:48 PM   #177 
  - I've heard the audio, and Biden sounds both impressed and amazed  fishwax   Feb-01-07 01:34 PM   #126 
  - I agree. It is possibly unconcious on Biden's part, but that  happydreams   Feb-01-07 02:50 PM   #132 
  - There you go!!!! 30 years ago I used to get the same thing all  Kahuna   Feb-01-07 06:12 PM   #157 
     - I'm sure you did  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 06:52 PM   #165 
     - Kahuna: have you seen this? It's HILARIOUS  FarceOfNature   Feb-02-07 12:21 AM   #193 
  - That's ridiculous  omega minimo   Feb-01-07 01:34 PM   #127 
  - .  omega minimo   Feb-01-07 01:35 PM   #128 
  - This post is ironic, right? n/t  redqueen   Feb-01-07 02:49 PM   #131 
  - In an America populated with good, reasonable people, you'd be right.....  BlooInBloo   Feb-01-07 11:15 PM   #185 
     - I doubt it's only in America...  redqueen   Feb-02-07 11:56 AM   #199 
  - The whole thing was mocking & condescending  Marie26   Feb-01-07 02:50 PM   #133 
  - It's also okay for the Spanish speaking guy to tell the English speaking guy he can't speak it ,  HypnoToad   Feb-01-07 02:55 PM   #135 
  - Your post makes absolutely no sense...  Solon   Feb-01-07 07:12 PM   #169 
  - Didn't Chris Rock address this very subject in his act?  WhaTHellsgoingonhere   Feb-01-07 03:04 PM   #136 
  - Chris Rock: Bring the Pain (DVD)  WhaTHellsgoingonhere   Feb-01-07 03:27 PM   #140 
  - Yep, I posted about that upthread. n/t  laundry_queen   Feb-01-07 05:48 PM   #156 
  - welcome to DU, WhaTHellsgoingonhere!  fishwax   Feb-01-07 06:16 PM   #158 
  - .... typical politically-oblivious DU highway???  RiverStone   Feb-01-07 03:04 PM   #137 
  - OK  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 08:26 PM   #175 
     - I find most of it in the middle...  RiverStone   Feb-01-07 10:19 PM   #179 
  - All Obama did was call the remarks "historically inaccurate"  mvd   Feb-01-07 03:15 PM   #139 
  - Yes, that was cute  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 07:14 PM   #170 
     - Uhm...  Solon   Feb-01-07 07:21 PM   #172 
     - Well you may have added it in  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 10:18 PM   #178 
        - Uhm, who's the one who is twisting logic here?  Solon   Feb-01-07 10:43 PM   #180 
           - That would be you  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 11:29 PM   #188 
     - Seemed like an attack by omission to me  mvd   Feb-01-07 07:55 PM   #173 
  - This is the dumbest post I've ever read at DU.  jeffrey_X   Feb-01-07 05:35 PM   #153 
  - Hold on, the night's young.  A-Schwarzenegger   Feb-01-07 06:17 PM   #160 
  - Well, thanks for the contribution, Jeff  Tactical Progressive   Feb-01-07 06:56 PM   #166 
     - Thanks.  jeffrey_X   Feb-02-07 09:25 PM   #204 
        - As will I  Dean Martin   Feb-02-07 10:07 PM   #205 
  - I would like to have some of what you're smoking  killbotfactory   Feb-01-07 06:16 PM   #159 
  - Biden made a mistake  Katzenkavalier   Feb-01-07 06:40 PM   #163 
  - Tactical Progressive> I simply disagree with you and your post...  Imagevision   Feb-01-07 07:00 PM   #167 
  - I'm a white guy, and even I thought it was racist...  Solon   Feb-01-07 07:16 PM   #171 
  - I agree with you.  donco6   Feb-01-07 10:58 PM   #181 
  - Nice way to describe it...  Solon   Feb-01-07 11:08 PM   #182 
  - Same here  Raine   Feb-02-07 08:43 PM   #203 
  - We must have heard two different Biden interviews  mycritters2   Feb-01-07 11:11 PM   #183 
  - I agree.  MrSlayer   Feb-01-07 11:19 PM   #186 
  - Just because Biden's remarks were racist doesn't mean that they weren't stupid  Hippo_Tron   Feb-01-07 11:24 PM   #187 
  - Biden also thinks Obama is a great dancer!  Radical Activist   Feb-02-07 11:09 AM   #198 
  - Not racist.."clean" ... please...n/t  autorank   Feb-03-07 01:49 AM   #207 
  - The Problem Is Biden Saw Color Not Another Human Being  DemocratSinceBirth   Feb-03-07 02:38 AM   #208 
  - No that was a racist remark  gorbal   Feb-03-07 05:41 AM   #210 
 

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