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Mon May-28-07 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #62 |
| 68. If people must keep their religion to themselves |
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then why not their personal beliefs as well?
Matthew 6: 5 says to "pray" in private, but it does not say to keep religion private. How could it when Jesus himself was publicly preaching? He was not keeping his religion private.
I guess my signature quote is offensive too since Jimmy did not have consideration for people at Ford's funeral who may not believe what he believes. Likewise Jesse Jackson, when he began his speech to the Democratic National Convention in 1984, with: "Tonight we come together bound by our faith in a mighty God, with genuine respect and love for our country, and inheriting the legacy of a great party, the Democratic Party, which is the best hope for redirecting our nation on a more humane, just and peaceful course."
Or Al Gore, when he said this: "I think the purpose of life is to glorify God. I turn to my faith as the bedrock of my approach to any important questions in my life."
Asked if he thought religion should be kept private, he said: "I think that we have gone too far in conveying the impression that those in public life are obligated to refrain from ever acknowledging that they have a spiritual life and that they have a set of core beliefs. And I refuse to abide by that mis-what I regard as a misguided set of expectations. I freely acknowledge the role of faith in my life and the centrality of faith in my values system."
It is quite likely that the kid would protest somebody who thanked Allah, or maybe just boo them, but in that case he would be on your side. Islam is perhaps as offensive to him as Christianity and Islam and Judaism are to you. And whether he is or is not a 'little sh*t', it is not very tactful to say so.
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| -My son graduated from high school on Thursday... |
TN al |
May-27-07 09:40 AM |
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otherwise his diploma would not have been possible? |
Solly Mack |
May-27-07 09:42 AM |
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I'm curious as to what part of the country you are in. |
enough |
May-27-07 09:44 AM |
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DUer, TN al, says it was |
zidzi |
May-28-07 11:34 AM |
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Oh please |
dsc |
May-27-07 09:45 AM |
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Fuck him and his speech |
Catch22Dem |
May-27-07 09:49 AM |
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They probably would |
dsc |
May-27-07 09:52 AM |
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I never implied the government should be involved in any way |
Catch22Dem |
May-27-07 10:01 AM |
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In fairness you didn't |
dsc |
May-27-07 10:26 AM |
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religious fundies do not have tact |
alarimer |
May-27-07 10:29 AM |
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ah yes, religion needs to be kept in the closet |
hfojvt |
May-28-07 02:56 AM |
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Of course I say that about him, and he SHOULD keep that shit to himself. It's offensive! |
Catch22Dem |
May-28-07 10:11 AM |
#62 |
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If people must keep their religion to themselves |
hfojvt |
May-28-07 11:07 AM |
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I think you're throwing these at me thinking I'm going to recant because of WHO said it |
Catch22Dem |
May-28-07 06:24 PM |
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Do you know what "proselytize" means? |
onenote |
May-29-07 05:07 PM |
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Yes, we all have rights... |
TN al |
May-27-07 10:03 AM |
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You said it better than I did -- good post! |
LostinVA |
May-27-07 10:21 AM |
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you think he is Taliban-like |
hfojvt |
May-28-07 03:09 AM |
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So |
Dorian Gray |
May-28-07 03:50 PM |
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why did he have a responsibility not to invoke them |
onenote |
May-29-07 05:08 PM |
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Again, Government should and does edit speeches given at a PUBLIC institution |
LostinVA |
May-27-07 10:19 AM |
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I don't know what part of the government shouldn't edit is in any way unclear |
dsc |
May-27-07 10:23 AM |
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There you go -- I've read everything on here now |
LostinVA |
May-27-07 10:34 AM |
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because I know how governments here would likely use that power |
dsc |
May-27-07 10:42 AM |
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no no no. this is different. it's a public school and they edit the kids |
orleans |
May-28-07 02:42 AM |
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They shouldn't have editted the girl's shirt either |
dsc |
May-28-07 10:16 AM |
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are you kidding me? they shouldn't have edited the girl's shirt? |
orleans |
May-28-07 10:57 AM |
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I favor uniforms |
dsc |
May-28-07 11:02 AM |
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well, i'm glad you weren't working in my daughter's school. i would have gone |
orleans |
May-28-07 12:55 PM |
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a couple of things |
dsc |
May-28-07 02:45 PM |
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the shirt ended up only saying "be happy" and nothing else |
orleans |
May-28-07 11:33 PM |
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The article I read made it fairly clear that no option means no ability to censor |
dsc |
May-29-07 05:01 PM |
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Ah, you're a libertarian |
kgfnally |
May-28-07 02:57 PM |
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On speech absolutely |
dsc |
May-28-07 03:34 PM |
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Do You Have Any Idea How Disgusting Your Sentiment Is? How Intolerant? |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-28-07 12:40 AM |
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Yeah, everyone has the right to say stupid shit |
MindPilot |
May-27-07 09:51 AM |
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As a teacher I can tell you students blame about anyone and anything |
dsc |
May-27-07 09:53 AM |
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you're a teacher? that surprises me considering the other post i just |
orleans |
May-28-07 02:44 AM |
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my feelings exactly. |
Buzz Clik |
May-27-07 09:58 AM |
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Government should if it's a public institution |
LostinVA |
May-27-07 10:17 AM |
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what law did he break? |
onenote |
May-29-07 05:10 PM |
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And if I were there and decided to laugh him off the stage... |
Jed Dilligan |
May-28-07 11:05 AM |
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Definitely.... |
Dorian Gray |
May-28-07 03:54 PM |
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I feel your pain, but the speaker was within his rights. |
MindPilot |
May-27-07 09:46 AM |
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Definitely within his rights |
Catch22Dem |
May-27-07 09:50 AM |
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How so? |
SayWhatYo |
May-27-07 10:19 AM |
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Doubtful. |
Clark2008 |
May-27-07 10:35 AM |
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I wonder if the administration approved that speech, or if that was something he threw in at the end |
1932 |
May-27-07 09:49 AM |
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I wondered the same thing as I watched it myself... |
TN al |
May-27-07 10:32 AM |
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It would have to have been approved. |
China_cat |
May-27-07 10:50 AM |
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You were offended? |
SayWhatYo |
May-27-07 10:17 AM |
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I agree. It's one thing to TEACH religion in schools, it's another to mention it. |
live love laugh |
May-27-07 10:19 AM |
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Separation of Church and State extends to graduation ceremonies, moments of silence, etc. |
LostinVA |
May-27-07 10:22 AM |
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No he didn't |
dsc |
May-27-07 10:25 AM |
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Of course he did |
LostinVA |
May-27-07 10:32 AM |
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Under your system his religious rights would be |
dsc |
May-27-07 10:34 AM |
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It doesn't matter if you agree or not. |
tabasco |
May-27-07 10:34 AM |
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oooo -- you got me so good |
LostinVA |
May-27-07 10:37 AM |
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They are NOT breaking the law in this case. |
Clark2008 |
May-27-07 10:42 AM |
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Get a grip. He didn't break any law. |
tabasco |
May-27-07 10:33 AM |
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No it does not. |
Clark2008 |
May-27-07 10:37 AM |
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that isn't true |
dsc |
May-27-07 10:45 AM |
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Yeah - I reference that above (or clarified it). |
Clark2008 |
May-27-07 11:16 AM |
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This Declaration Of Yours Is Wrong Past The Point Of Ludicrousness. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-28-07 12:44 AM |
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What law did he break |
murloc |
May-28-07 04:16 AM |
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A citizen can not break the Establishment Clause |
doggyboy |
May-28-07 12:42 PM |
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Oh, for Pete's sake. |
Clark2008 |
May-27-07 10:29 AM |
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I don't like it either but.... |
goddess40 |
May-27-07 10:29 AM |
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I don't think his silly comment was anything to get |
Vexatious Ape |
May-27-07 10:53 AM |
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The greater the christian majority |
LWolf |
May-27-07 11:08 AM |
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I wish there were more like you. |
Jamastiene |
May-28-07 12:33 AM |
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Good for you.My first prof of comparative religion told us she hoped to teach so well that we... |
Hekate |
May-28-07 02:04 AM |
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Not only "offended" but "personally offended"? |
doggyboy |
May-27-07 11:14 AM |
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Just be thankful |
buddyhollysghost |
May-27-07 12:14 PM |
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Holy shit! |
fujiyama |
May-28-07 03:32 PM |
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I'm Jewish |
nick303 |
May-27-07 12:36 PM |
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Oh For Cryin Out Loud Give Me A Break. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-28-07 12:37 AM |
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It's an insult to the entire education system |
cgrindley |
May-28-07 05:29 AM |
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No, No, It Isn't. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-28-07 12:00 PM |
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You find the word Jesus |
Dorian Gray |
May-28-07 04:01 PM |
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so no educated person can be a person of faith? |
onenote |
May-29-07 05:14 PM |
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I guess I grew a thick skin growing up in Oklahoma.. |
XOKCowboy |
May-28-07 02:32 AM |
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Fundies sicken me |
Erika |
May-28-07 02:37 AM |
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reading all these posts telling you to basically get over it. humph. |
orleans |
May-28-07 02:51 AM |
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you should have yelled "Hail Satan" just for equal time |
Lord Helmet |
May-28-07 03:29 AM |
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How terrible |
murloc |
May-28-07 04:05 AM |
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He earned the right to thank those who are important to him - |
lynne |
May-28-07 10:20 AM |
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He's the valedictorian. He earned his right to say what he wants. |
IMModerate |
May-28-07 11:11 AM |
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Ugh. I feel for you TN al. I would have been pissed off, too. |
Oregonian |
May-28-07 11:52 AM |
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I wonder how long it will be before we find out the valDICKtorian |
DainBramaged |
May-28-07 12:15 PM |
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He sounds like a lunatic. |
Cobalt Violet |
May-28-07 12:23 PM |
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Was that all he said? |
PaDem |
May-28-07 12:38 PM |
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I guess I'd be less offended than just annoyed |
fujiyama |
May-28-07 03:39 PM |
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It's what he believes. |
Dorian Gray |
May-28-07 03:45 PM |
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CONGRATULATIONS to the Graduate!!!!!! |
Breeze54 |
May-29-07 05:18 PM |
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I wonder if this Valedictorian saw 60 Minutes on Sunday? |
lpbk2713 |
May-29-07 05:37 PM |
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