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Mon Dec-13-10 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #56 |
| 58. So you gave up on Clinton early? |
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By the reasoning you've used, once Clinton failed to get anything passed re: health care, you gave up on Clinton, too? Or is it that you were unhappy with the compromise? Problem is, despite the lack of what most of us would consider real reform, a bill with some seriously good things for HCR was passed. You could argue that Obama was more effective than Clinton in this regard. Would it have been better if he went down fighting for the public option and nothing passed?
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| -Will everyone agree that this is the LAST Obama compromise that could ever be defended? |
Ken Burch |
Dec-13-10 10:22 AM |
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he hasn't even promised to protect Social Security |
Enrique |
Dec-13-10 10:26 AM |
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And you're okay with that? |
tavalon |
Dec-13-10 10:39 AM |
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No because we don't know what other issues he might find himself in a position of. . . |
wndycty |
Dec-13-10 10:27 AM |
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Dec-13-10 10:35 AM |
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That's Not What He Said |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Dec-13-10 10:38 AM |
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All future compromises have got to be intolerably right-wing |
Ken Burch |
Dec-13-10 10:40 AM |
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Plenty Of Issues I Will Go The Hill For |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Dec-13-10 10:44 AM |
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I have core values, I also understand that if we are true progressives. . . |
wndycty |
Dec-13-10 10:48 AM |
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Interesting that your "strategy" always involves cutting poverty programs more. |
bobbolink |
Dec-13-10 10:58 AM |
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True, bobbolink. |
Ken Burch |
Dec-13-10 11:00 AM |
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What I want from them is the same that I want from their cousins, the RW -- HONESTY. |
bobbolink |
Dec-13-10 11:28 AM |
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So where did I say that cutting poverty was part of my strategy. . . |
wndycty |
Dec-13-10 11:02 AM |
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Dec-13-10 11:13 AM |
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SS is an anti-poverty program. |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-13-10 12:19 PM |
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"when did I say that CUTTING POVERTY was part of my strategy"? |
Ken Burch |
Dec-13-10 02:30 PM |
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LOL |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-13-10 12:18 PM |
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Ken, we keep moving the line further and further and further back. |
Lucky 13 |
Dec-13-10 10:28 AM |
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The actual line is whether or not a Republican would be more left leaning than Obama. |
BzaDem |
Dec-13-10 10:37 AM |
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It doesn't HAVE to be "continued compromise or a Republican" |
Ken Burch |
Dec-13-10 10:39 AM |
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I'm not saying Obama has to surrender to win. |
BzaDem |
Dec-13-10 10:44 AM |
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We might be headed that way. |
Lucky 13 |
Dec-13-10 10:44 AM |
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Have you looked at WHY the Republicans are fighting the tax deal? |
BzaDem |
Dec-13-10 10:52 AM |
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Break it apart. One part is not contingent on another. |
Lucky 13 |
Dec-13-10 12:38 PM |
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The "payroll tax holiday" is, above all other things, totally unaccptable and indefensible. |
Poll_Blind |
Dec-13-10 10:29 AM |
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He has ALREADY put SS at risk. The tax holiday is a trojan horse. |
Poboy |
Dec-13-10 10:30 AM |
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True |
BlueJac |
Dec-13-10 10:31 AM |
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The next two years are going to be 100% compromise, or Government Shutdown |
rucky |
Dec-13-10 10:31 AM |
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Obama is not working for us, he is working against us |
somone |
Dec-13-10 10:32 AM |
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Yeah he should have let the Unemployed go without an extension because he hates the rich |
dkf |
Dec-13-10 10:39 AM |
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bwahahahaha! |
bobbolink |
Dec-13-10 11:15 AM |
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He certainly works hard at marginalizing the left. nt |
eilen |
Dec-13-10 02:02 PM |
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The last one that can be defended? I don't believe THIS ONE can be defended. |
NorthCarolina |
Dec-13-10 10:35 AM |
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You're right, it can't |
Ken Burch |
Dec-13-10 10:36 AM |
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I do not believe this has anything to do with compromise. Obama is getting exactly what HE wants. nt |
NorthCarolina |
Dec-13-10 10:37 AM |
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Bingo. More and more people are seeing behind the curtain. |
bobbolink |
Dec-13-10 11:16 AM |
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Honestly, you will probably look back on this compromise as the best one he made |
BzaDem |
Dec-13-10 10:35 AM |
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You're going to be loyal to a man who has NO core values and NEVER fights for us? |
Ken Burch |
Dec-13-10 10:37 AM |
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What do you mean "loyal to a man?" |
BzaDem |
Dec-13-10 10:41 AM |
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He can use executive orders. He can rally the base. |
Ken Burch |
Dec-13-10 10:45 AM |
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"They'll credit it all to Boehner." |
BzaDem |
Dec-13-10 10:54 AM |
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It didn't have to be this way |
tavalon |
Dec-13-10 10:44 AM |
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Do you really believe this election was a mandate for compromise? |
tavalon |
Dec-13-10 10:47 AM |
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God yes |
Recursion |
Dec-13-10 10:56 AM |
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LOL |
tavalon |
Dec-13-10 10:59 AM |
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I knocked on doors in eastern Ohio |
Recursion |
Dec-13-10 11:04 AM |
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In other words, they wanted stuff done |
tavalon |
Dec-13-10 11:07 AM |
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Jobs was a lot of it. So was ending EPA wetlands protection |
Recursion |
Dec-13-10 11:16 AM |
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No |
Uben |
Dec-13-10 10:38 AM |
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As a non-defender, I can say I've seen the defend at all costs Dems |
tavalon |
Dec-13-10 10:38 AM |
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The majority left are likely paid to do so. -nt |
Poboy |
Dec-13-10 12:20 PM |
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NO, this country was built on compromise. |
johnaries |
Dec-13-10 10:41 AM |
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I think this one pretty much did me in |
Robyn66 |
Dec-13-10 10:47 AM |
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Evidently it is all about "strategy" and political calculation to |
mmonk |
Dec-13-10 10:49 AM |
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Well, no, I don't agree with that at all |
Recursion |
Dec-13-10 10:55 AM |
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No Compromises EVER!!! Draw LINES In The SAND!!! MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY BABY!! YeeeeeeHAWWWWWW!!!!!! |
Beetwasher |
Dec-13-10 10:58 AM |
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So you think it's silly for this party to EVER stand it's ground? |
Ken Burch |
Dec-13-10 11:01 AM |
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Destroy Our Enemies, Turn Them Into Ash!!! |
Beetwasher |
Dec-13-10 11:04 AM |
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This wasn't the ONLY way to do that. |
Ken Burch |
Dec-13-10 11:07 AM |
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You Tell ME How YOU Would Do It So Those People Do Not Lose Their Benefits. I'll Wait |
Beetwasher |
Dec-13-10 11:08 AM |
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On any subject of any kind ever? |
treestar |
Dec-13-10 11:03 AM |
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You and Obama and the Dems |
ProudDad |
Dec-13-10 11:17 AM |
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No... |
ProudDad |
Dec-13-10 11:16 AM |
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I stopped defending at health care. n/t |
Bonhomme Richard |
Dec-13-10 11:24 AM |
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So you gave up on Clinton early? |
elias7 |
Dec-13-10 11:35 AM |
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Was Clinton worth ANYTHING after 1994? |
Ken Burch |
Dec-13-10 11:44 AM |
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"if he went down fighting for the public option" |
Bonhomme Richard |
Dec-13-10 11:57 AM |
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No, brcause it can't be defended |
Tom Rinaldo |
Dec-13-10 12:17 PM |
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Oh, they'll be defending SS cuts here. The 'deficit' will suddenly become Very Important. eom |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-13-10 12:22 PM |
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Things that are not broken should not be fixed. No compromise. |
LucySky |
Dec-13-10 12:24 PM |
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Obama needs to go on full lefty attack mode. Order Reid to invoke the nuclear option |
Hawkeye-X |
Dec-13-10 02:04 PM |
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Don't worry, when Obama signs off on cutting SS and Medicare, |
MadHound |
Dec-13-10 02:05 PM |
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The Obama/GOP tax cut deal is an attack on social security. |
Better Believe It |
Dec-13-10 02:07 PM |
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The Acolytes will defend ANYTHING |
PurityOfEssence |
Dec-13-10 02:20 PM |
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You couldn't get every one on this board to agree it's cold outside. |
sarcasmo |
Dec-13-10 02:33 PM |
#74 |
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