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Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 04:08 PM |
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"Could be" is not much of an argument. |
Arctic Dave |
Dec-12-10 04:16 PM |
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Well bradley did not steal a cable where the person named here |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 04:19 PM |
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Why can't they have uranium? |
Arctic Dave |
Dec-12-10 05:18 PM |
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They are signators of the NPR. If they are not concerned |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 05:33 PM |
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No dodge, why should I care if they have uranium. |
Arctic Dave |
Dec-12-10 07:13 PM |
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SO that is worth their life? Again, what is the benefit to dumping this content?(nt) |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 07:16 PM |
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You only assume it is worth their life. |
Arctic Dave |
Dec-12-10 07:25 PM |
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Once more, why put this in the clear? not iraq war, not war crimes.. |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 07:27 PM |
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Amazing! I tried to rec this post and the count stays at 0. |
Hangingon |
Dec-12-10 04:18 PM |
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My position on this is about as popular as a fart in church here.. |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 04:42 PM |
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Pull the tape from what date. What location? What time? |
NightWatcher |
Dec-12-10 04:29 PM |
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US Embassy Rangoon. |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 04:36 PM |
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So the government is going to identify, locate and kill every citizen that had contact? |
NightWatcher |
Dec-12-10 04:51 PM |
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Myanmar certainly would. |
Ikonoklast |
Dec-12-10 04:55 PM |
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Only the ones selling Uranium from undecleared nuclear programs.. |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 04:56 PM |
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Fuck that shit. |
asdjrocky |
Dec-12-10 04:57 PM |
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Can you give me one reason this information should be in the clear? |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 05:01 PM |
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There is only one reason needed. |
asdjrocky |
Dec-12-10 05:09 PM |
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Yeah, dead people tend to be worth worrying about. The truth |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 05:13 PM |
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I don't play this game. |
asdjrocky |
Dec-12-10 05:18 PM |
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Dec-12-10 05:27 PM |
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And yet you continue to try and play. |
asdjrocky |
Dec-12-10 05:30 PM |
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It was real people with Valerie Plame too, but did that stop |
shraby |
Dec-12-10 05:31 PM |
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Stop deflecting. This is not about that. It is a simple question you people refuse to answer |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 05:34 PM |
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Wikileaks is not just about Iraq and Afghanistan |
elias49 |
Dec-12-10 07:46 PM |
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Because when enriched it destroys cities. |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 07:58 PM |
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Don't waste your time... |
Cid_B |
Dec-12-10 06:18 PM |
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The leaks are irresponsible. |
jaxx |
Dec-12-10 05:09 PM |
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Government secrets are more irresponsible. I don't like shadow governments or police states. nt |
laughingliberal |
Dec-12-10 05:38 PM |
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No government can do it's business under the lights. |
jaxx |
Dec-12-10 05:40 PM |
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Not what the founders thought. |
laughingliberal |
Dec-12-10 05:43 PM |
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Neither is a shadow government and a police state accurate. |
jaxx |
Dec-12-10 05:48 PM |
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I disagree. We are well into police state territory with the passage of the Patriot Act. |
laughingliberal |
Dec-12-10 05:51 PM |
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Dec-12-10 05:49 PM |
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Seems Thomas Jefferson saw it my way. nt |
laughingliberal |
Dec-12-10 05:52 PM |
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History is not your friend here. Your position is childish and not used by any |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 05:55 PM |
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Daniel Ellsberg agrees with my childish world view and the Supreme Court agreed with him. |
laughingliberal |
Dec-12-10 06:07 PM |
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Well you have an Army of one. Supreme case was related to press publication |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 06:11 PM |
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I'm gonna go with Ellsberg on this. Here's a quote from him from 2008: |
laughingliberal |
Dec-12-10 06:18 PM |
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Thanks for the link. Again how does posting this persons name in public |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 06:20 PM |
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I'm standing on the quote from Ellsberg and I've said your demands to have your question... |
laughingliberal |
Dec-12-10 06:28 PM |
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Millennia. Work on your spelling. |
Odin2005 |
Dec-12-10 06:01 PM |
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Keep working on the argument that justifies releasing this, would love to see one. |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 06:04 PM |
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You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs |
GliderGuider |
Dec-12-10 05:12 PM |
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Is this a broken egg? |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 05:18 PM |
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Nobody has revealed launch codes. You're being hysterical. |
GliderGuider |
Dec-12-10 05:33 PM |
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+1000 nt |
laughingliberal |
Dec-12-10 05:35 PM |
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Feel free to explain how this being in the clear accomplishes any clear goal you have |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 05:38 PM |
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I'm really not obligated to respond to your incessant demands that people answer your question. |
laughingliberal |
Dec-12-10 05:40 PM |
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Not obligated but it would be interesting to see a reasonable argument as to why |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 05:43 PM |
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Nope. Don't recall a single time in my life I ever responded to a raging authoritarian whose sole |
laughingliberal |
Dec-12-10 05:46 PM |
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You mistake rage for clear rational thinking. There are arguments to be made to support this |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 05:53 PM |
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I don't find your raging authoritarian postings to be conducive to... |
laughingliberal |
Dec-12-10 05:58 PM |
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You dont get it. Unlike the media approach and the gaggle here, it is NOT about assange |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 06:01 PM |
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There is nothing whatsoever "random" about the release. |
GliderGuider |
Dec-12-10 06:09 PM |
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By fucking morons who want click through money. |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 06:13 PM |
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I get it just fine. People prone to rage are always in search of some reason to spew it. |
laughingliberal |
Dec-12-10 06:10 PM |
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Dec-12-10 06:14 PM |
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It's my experience that people who rage will either deny they are raging or try to justify it. nt |
laughingliberal |
Dec-12-10 06:20 PM |
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Stop the ad-hom, its silly. rational would be to put me on ignore or give a real answer.. |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 06:22 PM |
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I do notice you seem to use a lot of online screaming and demanding others answer you... |
laughingliberal |
Dec-12-10 06:25 PM |
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all this chatter and still no content. Nothing..(nt) |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 06:33 PM |
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No criminal activity? Say WHAT? |
elias49 |
Dec-12-10 07:52 PM |
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I intentionally did not post anything graphic. How the FUCK does someone in Rangoon |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 05:36 PM |
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So you would be okay with the leaks if they were about war crimes or banking? |
Evoman |
Dec-12-10 05:51 PM |
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Banks no problem. That is not classified information.. |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 05:57 PM |
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Again, the dump is not "random". That is a RW, authoritarian meme. |
GliderGuider |
Dec-12-10 06:11 PM |
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memes come from media, read original sources. Manning explained it |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 06:16 PM |
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What???!!!??? Someone on DU is pushing a RW, authoritarian meme! Say it ain't so! nt |
laughingliberal |
Dec-12-10 06:22 PM |
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Banks have no protection against corporate theft? |
elias49 |
Dec-12-10 07:57 PM |
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Not the 10 10 form manning signed. It is not a felony to disclose a bank will not lend to blacks |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 08:05 PM |
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Ah, so MANNING signed a '1010' form |
elias49 |
Dec-12-10 08:55 PM |
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The diplomaticarrangement with McLumpy's old wife and her diplomatic project to use of aircraft to |
lonestarnot |
Dec-12-10 09:05 PM |
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I have heard that meme, but doubt anything about this myanmar cable |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 09:41 PM |
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Of course it's a meme to those allergic to the truth. |
lonestarnot |
Dec-12-10 09:54 PM |
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Hey, its all faith based thinking. If hero julian |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 09:55 PM |
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And you seem to not give a single shit about it |
pipoman |
Dec-12-10 05:43 PM |
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Nice snuff porn |
RetroLounge |
Dec-12-10 06:13 PM |
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Read the post . Its text, no picture. You are on autopilot. |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 06:18 PM |
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As long as those eggs aren't yours... |
Cid_B |
Dec-12-10 06:56 PM |
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I can make a more nuanced argument, but this thread hardly seems like the place for that. |
GliderGuider |
Dec-12-10 10:13 PM |
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So essentially |
the redcoat |
Dec-12-10 05:36 PM |
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I have yet to hear one cohesive argument on why this cable should be in the clear. not one |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 05:42 PM |
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First, let's be honest about one thing. |
the redcoat |
Dec-12-10 07:34 PM |
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Thanks, |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 07:57 PM |
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An interesting compromise |
the redcoat |
Dec-12-10 08:26 PM |
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I see much more use for the war leaks |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 09:38 PM |
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Your panties are really in a knot over this, eh? Good! |
Hassin Bin Sober |
Dec-12-10 05:44 PM |
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Not one of you guys has made an argument on why something like this needs to be in the clear |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 05:50 PM |
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delete |
Hassin Bin Sober |
Dec-12-10 05:44 PM |
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Who has been killed for a leak, yet? You have failed to give an actual |
tekisui |
Dec-12-10 05:50 PM |
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Yeah, I dont have access to that information, manning did not steal it. I posted a clear example |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 05:52 PM |
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The person wasn't named. It isn't a death sentence. |
tekisui |
Dec-12-10 05:53 PM |
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Everyone surveils embassies. |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 05:59 PM |
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.dupe |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 06:00 PM |
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You are speculating. Where is the link to his name? |
sabrina 1 |
Dec-12-10 08:43 PM |
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You really think that someone dumping information on myanmar would have stopped Iraq? |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 09:39 PM |
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Information was available to the press here but they dared not |
sabrina 1 |
Dec-13-10 02:03 AM |
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Yeah, but it could happen. |
asdjrocky |
Dec-12-10 05:53 PM |
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Oh PLEASE, I bet there are several people going in and out at any one time |
Odin2005 |
Dec-12-10 05:58 PM |
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Except with a video camera pointed at the Embassy |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 06:03 PM |
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LOL, your nit-picking is ridiculous. |
Odin2005 |
Dec-12-10 06:05 PM |
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So no one films embassies or the date this person passes information is not relevant (lol?) |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 06:09 PM |
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So what were the consequences, intended or not? You don't know? |
Better Believe It |
Dec-12-10 06:04 PM |
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Yeah, no one stole the follow up classified information yet. |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 06:06 PM |
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Right. Only 2.5 million people have access to these documents. |
Better Believe It |
Dec-12-10 06:09 PM |
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Dec-12-10 06:12 PM |
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Sure. Like you give a fuck about xxx. |
Hassin Bin Sober |
Dec-12-10 06:10 PM |
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xxx has value. Knowing what others are up to has value.. |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 06:18 PM |
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Who is xxx anyway? Don't know? That's because WikiLeaks and mass media didn't release the name! |
Better Believe It |
Dec-12-10 07:54 PM |
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They aren't trying to find out who xxx is , others may. |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 08:08 PM |
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"Myanmar is ruled by a military junta." And that is why we officially still call it "Burma." |
WinkyDink |
Dec-12-10 06:14 PM |
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Panties meet twist |
RetroLounge |
Dec-12-10 06:16 PM |
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The U.S. press published photos of the students at Tiananmen |
sabrina 1 |
Dec-12-10 06:22 PM |
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All that text and no answer. What EXACTLY is worth disclosing that person's name |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 06:26 PM |
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Where is the person's name disclosed? |
sabrina 1 |
Dec-12-10 07:22 PM |
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In the unredacted document which is stitting on a now unsecured network |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 07:26 PM |
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+1000 nt |
laughingliberal |
Dec-12-10 06:29 PM |
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They were shopping the uranium looking for a buyer. |
ipaint |
Dec-12-10 06:23 PM |
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Not how I read it, was speculation. If it was legal why redact that name? They left many others.. |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 06:31 PM |
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So far you have nothing but idle speculation based on suspicion to back those claims up. |
ipaint |
Dec-12-10 07:05 PM |
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Guess that answer is elusive.. what is the benefit to disclosing these cables |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 07:14 PM |
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Who is being compromised? |
ipaint |
Dec-12-10 07:21 PM |
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xxxx is at a given place on a given date. That place is surveiled by |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 07:25 PM |
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I think it is time you got a hold of the newspapers around the |
ipaint |
Dec-12-10 07:35 PM |
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You guys have a really hard time with this. What is in that cable needs to be disclosed |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 07:37 PM |
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The date of the meeting WAS redacted. The date of the cable was not. |
Luminous Animal |
Dec-12-10 08:00 PM |
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From your link- |
ipaint |
Dec-12-10 07:10 PM |
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And this person. They deserve to die too? |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 07:14 PM |
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Where is the documentation that he was in danger or killed? nt |
ipaint |
Dec-12-10 07:17 PM |
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His name is out. The documentaion was not stolen by manning.. |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 07:19 PM |
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That comes from 2004 and rumors have been reported in the mains stream news since then. |
Luminous Animal |
Dec-12-10 07:58 PM |
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"Crusade" is a perfect description. nt |
laughingliberal |
Dec-12-10 06:34 PM |
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how so?(nt) |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 06:37 PM |
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Wow that's a pretty solid example man... |
walldude |
Dec-12-10 07:18 PM |
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So why dont you explain to me the value of publishing a document like this one? |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 07:21 PM |
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It shows that the U.S. broke the law by shipping uranium on a commercial airline. |
Luminous Animal |
Dec-12-10 07:48 PM |
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...far outweighed by the consequences of secrecy |
bhikkhu |
Dec-12-10 08:54 PM |
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Then you need to get your ass elected.. |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 09:43 PM |
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At least you're showing your true colors and purpose now. |
Democracyinkind |
Dec-13-10 04:56 AM |
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unrecd |
knotwurstforware |
Dec-13-10 03:16 AM |
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Even the DoD says you're being hysterical |
GliderGuider |
Dec-13-10 05:23 AM |
#142 |
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