| -Breastfeeding a six year old: horrifying or loving bond? |
Liberal_in_LA |
Dec-09-10 02:56 PM |
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.... |
tammywammy |
Dec-09-10 02:56 PM |
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Is this seat taken? |
tekisui |
Dec-09-10 02:57 PM |
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Let me join you guys.. |
walldude |
Dec-09-10 03:03 PM |
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Mind if I smoke? |
NoPasaran |
Dec-09-10 03:34 PM |
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As long as you share |
walldude |
Dec-09-10 05:24 PM |
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Did you mean ... "Is this teat taken?" |
JoePhilly |
Dec-09-10 07:53 PM |
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Hahaha |
tekisui |
Dec-09-10 09:34 PM |
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only if it's at Olive Garden |
cali |
Dec-09-10 02:58 PM |
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And the little boy is circumcised. |
11 Bravo |
Dec-09-10 03:30 PM |
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She also breast feeds her pit bull while eating cheese sandwiches. |
leeroysphitz |
Dec-09-10 07:35 PM |
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and sharing a Happy Meal. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-10-10 09:35 PM |
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no big deal, i know several moms who do something similar. the kids wean themselves. |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 02:58 PM |
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really? you know several? i dont know one. hm. nt |
seabeyond |
Dec-09-10 03:05 PM |
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so? |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 03:21 PM |
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yup. nt |
seabeyond |
Dec-09-10 03:22 PM |
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yup - what? you don't know any mothers who do it, i do. one is family. |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 03:25 PM |
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yup to your so. nt |
seabeyond |
Dec-09-10 03:28 PM |
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and your point? |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 03:29 PM |
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lol. my astonishment that you know several who breast feed 6 yr olds when i dont know one woman |
seabeyond |
Dec-09-10 04:35 PM |
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what does it matter that you don't know anyone? |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 04:47 PM |
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what does it matter you know several, lol? nt |
seabeyond |
Dec-09-10 04:48 PM |
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because i actually know something about the topic instead of jerking my knee? |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 04:52 PM |
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i am being knee jerkin for saying i know no one? i cant be simply amazed that you know several |
seabeyond |
Dec-09-10 04:54 PM |
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they tend to self-wean (go off the breast) at 3-5 y/o. thereafter the occasional comfort feed. |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 05:09 PM |
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Among the great apes they generally wean before the next offspring comes along. |
Crunchy Frog |
Dec-09-10 05:20 PM |
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Gorillas don't ovulate until a litter is weaned. Complete weaning = about 3-4 years. |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 05:29 PM |
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hanah bell. i let my boys run around naked as long as they wanted. caused some problems |
seabeyond |
Dec-09-10 05:23 PM |
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as i told you, i have a relative who is very involved in all this stuff. |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 05:37 PM |
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Re #1. ROTFL!! I know it's a typo but it's a goodie! |
nolabear |
Dec-09-10 06:48 PM |
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lol. i clipped the rest of the sentence accidentally. their first permanent would be a late |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 07:03 PM |
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lol |
Inchworm |
Dec-10-10 04:13 AM |
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hey do they give out phone numbers. n/t. |
okieinpain |
Dec-10-10 09:39 AM |
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"new aged mothers" |
TARAmisu80 |
Dec-11-10 06:06 PM |
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i grew up in calif and have been a part of the new age community for a good decade |
seabeyond |
Dec-11-10 08:50 PM |
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agree |
TARAmisu80 |
Dec-12-10 10:42 AM |
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i dont see it differently than having a pacifer in mouth at 6. we would all say that there are |
seabeyond |
Dec-12-10 10:59 AM |
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me either. someone is a dipshit and needs a chat with their mother. |
roguevalley |
Dec-09-10 04:44 PM |
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about the child? you're afraid the other 6 year olds will target the child |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 04:50 PM |
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I dunno, some kids might tease - it depends on the setting, I guess |
tigereye |
Dec-09-10 07:27 PM |
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actually, I taught first grade for eleven years. you can count on |
roguevalley |
Dec-10-10 12:55 AM |
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you can? how will they "get it" if nobody tells them? |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-10-10 04:18 AM |
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actually, I was told about crimes their parents committed, poaching, |
roguevalley |
Dec-11-10 03:12 AM |
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so it's you, the teacher, who will be mocking the kid for nursing? not sure |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-11-10 05:34 PM |
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You didn't understand me right and I don't think you intended to. |
roguevalley |
Dec-11-10 09:16 PM |
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wow. breast feeding is illegal? i have no clue what you're going on about. |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-11-10 09:47 PM |
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no, you are making a fool of yourself. I am talking about the |
roguevalley |
Dec-12-10 01:27 PM |
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Can you imagine the backwash from that sleepover? nt |
alphafemale |
Dec-11-10 03:38 AM |
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the problem is that she's made it very public |
cali |
Dec-09-10 03:06 PM |
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Agreed |
TalkingDog |
Dec-09-10 03:14 PM |
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Several? |
Ginto |
Dec-09-10 04:57 PM |
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yes, several. there are many lessons nature teaches, teeth are just one of them. |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 05:50 PM |
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Actually, the mother weans the kids. |
Ginto |
Dec-09-10 05:55 PM |
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actually, the mother introduces other foods. the kid "withdraws" from the breast |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 05:59 PM |
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Nope |
Ginto |
Dec-09-10 06:03 PM |
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you seem to be talking about dogs & wolves. i was talking about children. |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 06:08 PM |
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Sorry, I was quoting general mammalian behavior. |
Ginto |
Dec-09-10 06:22 PM |
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no, you were quoting a link about dogs. |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 06:23 PM |
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And you misquoted the definition of weaning. nt |
Ginto |
Dec-09-10 06:34 PM |
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no, you think your map is the territory. |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 06:40 PM |
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Notice which is at the top there. |
Ginto |
Dec-10-10 07:03 AM |
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if definitions aren't at "the top" that means they don't exist? |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-10-10 10:32 PM |
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Dogs & cats also abandon the weak ones, and leave their offspring alone for hours at a time.n/t |
Magsinok |
Dec-09-10 08:19 PM |
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some kids simply lose interest at different ages- mine did just before age 1 |
tigereye |
Dec-09-10 07:29 PM |
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Wrong. No need to wean over teeth. That shows how little you know. |
Ilsa |
Dec-11-10 04:13 PM |
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Aaah -no they don't wean themselves-I breastfed both kids and there comes a |
SoCalDemGrrl |
Dec-10-10 01:02 AM |
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not acceptable -- to *you,* obviously. it's quite acceptable to some of the people i know. |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-10-10 04:22 AM |
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Why? |
HuckleB |
Dec-10-10 10:20 PM |
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Sure they wean themselves! They can just lose interest. |
jbnow |
Dec-10-10 11:03 PM |
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+1 |
HuckleB |
Dec-10-10 10:19 PM |
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Unnecessary (at a minimum) |
hlthe2b |
Dec-09-10 02:58 PM |
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How do you know? Something's gone very wrong with the human race.... |
defendandprotect |
Dec-09-10 04:38 PM |
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In the middle of first grade yet? |
WinkyDink |
Dec-09-10 04:41 PM |
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One of the things about that photo you should note is that ..... |
defendandprotect |
Dec-09-10 04:59 PM |
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Stop it. I never said breast-feeding is unnecessary. Nice strawman |
hlthe2b |
Dec-09-10 04:51 PM |
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the human contact? |
blueamy66 |
Dec-10-10 08:30 PM |
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Uhh...er... |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-09-10 03:00 PM |
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He's a bit old for this... |
CaliforniaPeggy |
Dec-09-10 03:02 PM |
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I wonder about that as well. I wanted to nurse mine until he was 3 but couldn't. But I don't think |
GreenPartyVoter |
Dec-09-10 03:08 PM |
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A little old, you say? |
kentauros |
Dec-09-10 03:15 PM |
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Bitty! |
htuttle |
Dec-09-10 03:16 PM |
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Yup. A BIT OLD, I SAY! |
CaliforniaPeggy |
Dec-09-10 03:44 PM |
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I don't have a problem with it. Human milk is healthier for humans than cow milk. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-09-10 03:02 PM |
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Amanda confesses repeatedly to being lazy. |
Toucano |
Dec-09-10 03:03 PM |
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lazy? how so? i guarantee you, that kid is eating solid foods & not dependent |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 03:32 PM |
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It's not that he has no other source ... the issue is what is he getting in breast milk... |
defendandprotect |
Dec-09-10 04:40 PM |
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Yes, that was my first thought too. |
Dappleganger |
Dec-09-10 03:40 PM |
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actually it could be laziness as in, more a battle to get him off. just guessin. nt |
seabeyond |
Dec-09-10 04:37 PM |
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That probably makes more sense... |
Dappleganger |
Dec-09-10 04:41 PM |
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actually, it's more likely that the kid doesn't nurse regularly at all. |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 05:11 PM |
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she says she is too lazy, hence him breast feeding. just throwing out a guess. being a mom |
seabeyond |
Dec-09-10 05:25 PM |
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I didn't read that she didn't teach him how to get his own drink...she said she's a bit lazy. |
CTyankee |
Dec-09-10 05:56 PM |
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well, they both enjoy the emotional comfort of it, obviously. |
tigereye |
Dec-09-10 07:33 PM |
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This woman is a hero! |
Renew Deal |
Dec-09-10 03:03 PM |
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i don't know. i breastfed my kids. my first i did a bad job of it and got six weeks out of it. |
ejpoeta |
Dec-09-10 03:04 PM |
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What business is it of ours? |
CTyankee |
Dec-09-10 03:04 PM |
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why is there always people asking, what business? it is none of our business and we wont |
seabeyond |
Dec-09-10 03:08 PM |
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I agree...so why did she make it public? It sounds like a personal thing IMO |
madmom |
Dec-09-10 03:30 PM |
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Well, it IS a personal thing. But so what? |
CTyankee |
Dec-09-10 04:03 PM |
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Exactly..it IS a personal thing so why make it public? If that is what she wants to do fine BUT |
madmom |
Dec-09-10 05:23 PM |
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Maybe she gets money for it. She says their "skint" which I guess means not well off. |
CTyankee |
Dec-09-10 05:26 PM |
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The problem I have is she made it public. If she wants to do it fine, but it IS a personal thing, .. |
madmom |
Dec-09-10 05:50 PM |
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OK, ok, sorry...don't get upset... |
CTyankee |
Dec-09-10 06:14 PM |
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I'm not upset...the whole thing is idiotic. |
madmom |
Dec-09-10 10:12 PM |
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Presumably to encourage other women to think for themselves....??? |
defendandprotect |
Dec-09-10 04:41 PM |
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Now, THERE'S a thought! |
CTyankee |
Dec-09-10 05:31 PM |
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She's the one in the newspaper, not us. |
WinkyDink |
Dec-09-10 04:42 PM |
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Hey, if he isn't being beaten, I'm happy. |
donco6 |
Dec-09-10 03:05 PM |
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I think it's kinda sick. . . |
B Calm |
Dec-09-10 03:05 PM |
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Yup. |
applegrove |
Dec-09-10 09:05 PM |
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This is horrifying... |
qb |
Dec-09-10 03:08 PM |
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Ahh, sweet little kitty |
hlthe2b |
Dec-09-10 03:21 PM |
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Not horrifying, but not age-appropriate. |
Nye Bevan |
Dec-09-10 03:09 PM |
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I nursed one child until age 5 and the next until age 5.5. |
vanlassie |
Dec-09-10 10:06 PM |
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I'm sure your kids would have turned out just as brilliant if they had not been breastfed to age 5. |
Nye Bevan |
Dec-09-10 10:38 PM |
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The response was to alphafemale stating thatit would most certainly be psychologically damaging |
vanlassie |
Dec-09-10 10:50 PM |
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I nursed for 7 1/2 years straight |
babydollhead |
Dec-09-10 03:09 PM |
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Wasn't that a scene in The Grapes of Wrath? |
KamaAina |
Dec-09-10 03:09 PM |
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no, that was an old man in gow. not a six year old. |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 03:23 PM |
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Yeah, the closing scene, I believe... |
ixion |
Dec-09-10 03:24 PM |
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nursed an old man. not a six year old. |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 03:33 PM |
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yeah... |
ixion |
Dec-09-10 03:51 PM |
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not sure what the relevance of saving a fictional old man from starvation is to this case -- at all. |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 03:54 PM |
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It's a fictional account of something very real |
ixion |
Dec-09-10 05:54 PM |
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not trying to pick a fight with you. just don't see any relevance between |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 06:15 PM |
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Was that cut from the movie ....? Or in the movie was it just referred to? |
defendandprotect |
Dec-09-10 04:44 PM |
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it was in the book |
babydollhead |
Dec-09-10 05:35 PM |
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Thank you -- |
defendandprotect |
Dec-09-10 06:25 PM |
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The scene was in a stage version i attended a couple years back. |
alphafemale |
Dec-12-10 11:53 AM |
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There is no biological reason to breast feed a six year old. |
Avalux |
Dec-09-10 03:09 PM |
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You don't know that. It's just your opinion. It's just unusual these days, that's all. nt |
thereismore |
Dec-09-10 03:23 PM |
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Umm...human biology is not an opinion. |
Avalux |
Dec-09-10 03:30 PM |
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Quite true. |
Dappleganger |
Dec-09-10 03:42 PM |
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The immunity goes on as long as the child nurses. |
CaliforniaPeggy |
Dec-09-10 03:58 PM |
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Human brain keeps developing until adolescence. Are you prepared to say that |
thereismore |
Dec-09-10 04:44 PM |
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But you're suggesting that "food" has same nutritional value as breast milk.... |
defendandprotect |
Dec-09-10 04:46 PM |
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Now that is complete and utter bullshit |
Cairycat |
Dec-09-10 04:48 PM |
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Thank you. This guy is a know-it-all with no facts. nt |
thereismore |
Dec-10-10 09:26 AM |
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false. immunological benefits continue long after 6 weeks. |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 11:13 PM |
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"wrong" - why? |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 03:38 PM |
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I have to wonder about the mom's emotional health. |
FLPanhandle |
Dec-09-10 03:10 PM |
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We might also wonder .... |
defendandprotect |
Dec-09-10 04:47 PM |
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oh, fuck.... because someone may think there may be issues here..... |
seabeyond |
Dec-09-10 04:50 PM |
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oh, fuck...why not, since the poster questions the woman's emotional health ENTIRELY |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 10:56 PM |
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OMFG....old enough to stand too old to brest feed. |
ileus |
Dec-09-10 03:10 PM |
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Most experts say two years on the breast is ideal---most kids walk before one. |
antigone382 |
Dec-10-10 01:05 AM |
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Hey, it's easier than opening a can of Spaghettios. |
eShirl |
Dec-09-10 03:14 PM |
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We are mammals. |
RC |
Dec-09-10 03:20 PM |
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And gorillas eat their own poop. That doesn't mean it's normal for humans. nt |
Liquorice |
Dec-09-10 03:56 PM |
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no, what's "normal" for humans is whatever they decide to do. |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 05:13 PM |
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I don't buy into that. We all know what normal is, and what deviates substantially from normal is |
Liquorice |
Dec-09-10 07:26 PM |
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you're making a statistical argument about human culture? lol. |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 08:00 PM |
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It's not normal for humans to eat their own poop. It's very abnormal. Not everything is relative. nt |
Liquorice |
Dec-09-10 08:27 PM |
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There's no culture historical or existing where parents routinely ate their children or their poop. |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 08:35 PM |
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There's no physical reason for this woman to be breastfeeding a six year old. It's abnormal, and it |
Liquorice |
Dec-09-10 08:57 PM |
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The average age of full weaning is about 3 years. In the US 83% of children are weaned |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 09:41 PM |
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Not everything is relative. Breastfeeding, however, is. |
antigone382 |
Dec-10-10 01:08 AM |
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I nursed in the 70's. Son nursed at will & self-weaned |
jbnow |
Dec-10-10 11:42 PM |
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Have any human societies actually been found |
Crunchy Frog |
Dec-09-10 05:35 PM |
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As I linked already, gorillas don't ovulate until they cease breastfeeding. |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 06:37 PM |
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I'm not certain how it works in gorillas |
Crunchy Frog |
Dec-09-10 08:07 PM |
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gorillas = not a great ape? In all the great apes, nursing suppresses ovulation. |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 08:18 PM |
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Actually, it's the near continuous nursing of a young infant that suppresses ovulation. |
Crunchy Frog |
Dec-09-10 08:52 PM |
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"Essentials of Physical Anthropology," 7th ed, 2009: "4 or 5 years of nursing is the norm for the |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 09:57 PM |
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US vs the World |
TalkingDog |
Dec-09-10 03:22 PM |
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Yeah I think it depends on the culture |
AspenRose |
Dec-09-10 03:30 PM |
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"But they hardly ever get sick." |
blueamy66 |
Dec-09-10 08:04 PM |
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three of us not breast fed. none of us get sick. i hear ya.... now |
seabeyond |
Dec-09-10 08:31 PM |
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My mother did not breastfeed me; she breastfed my brother. |
AspenRose |
Dec-10-10 09:34 AM |
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Thank you. |
blueamy66 |
Dec-10-10 08:22 PM |
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Nowhere did I say that that's going to be the case for everyone |
AspenRose |
Dec-10-10 09:25 AM |
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my issue is because you have healthy kids, you attribute to breastfeeding |
seabeyond |
Dec-10-10 09:33 AM |
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I do attribute it to it in OUR CASE. |
AspenRose |
Dec-10-10 09:36 AM |
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i know you do. but cant you see the logic in that. you attribute to breastfeeding |
seabeyond |
Dec-10-10 09:43 AM |
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So why did you throw in the |
blueamy66 |
Dec-10-10 08:24 PM |
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Creepy. |
Luciferous |
Dec-09-10 03:23 PM |
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+1 Creepy |
Zanzobar |
Dec-09-10 03:26 PM |
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I think I could start a vegans v. vegans WAR with this one. |
flvegan |
Dec-09-10 03:25 PM |
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He is eating an animal product... |
MellowDem |
Dec-09-10 03:26 PM |
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True |
flvegan |
Dec-09-10 03:29 PM |
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And what about the breastmilk fetishists out there? |
MellowDem |
Dec-09-10 03:32 PM |
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they could go to the restaurant in NY the specializes in dishes with breast milk |
seabeyond |
Dec-09-10 04:42 PM |
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now that's truly creepy- mom breast-feeding a 6 year old is much less |
tigereye |
Dec-09-10 07:43 PM |
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The product is of his own species ... while Americans have been convinced by |
defendandprotect |
Dec-09-10 04:49 PM |
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lol. nt |
seabeyond |
Dec-09-10 04:39 PM |
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I would have tried human breast milk when I was a vegan. |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-09-10 07:23 PM |
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Ooooh, Montana. |
flvegan |
Dec-09-10 09:14 PM |
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I'm guessing they did it back in the tribal days... |
MellowDem |
Dec-09-10 03:25 PM |
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Victorian nursemaids were a horrifying concept. This not so much. n/t |
NoodleyAppendage |
Dec-09-10 03:26 PM |
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Wet nurses were common in the old days before medical science improved |
CTyankee |
Dec-09-10 03:31 PM |
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They became very common in Europe, and not associated with death in childbirth. |
Crunchy Frog |
Dec-09-10 07:25 PM |
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Why .. ? We've regularly heard stories of nursing mothers breast feeding |
defendandprotect |
Dec-09-10 04:50 PM |
#110 |
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I really don't understand some of the emotional objections here. |
CTyankee |
Dec-09-10 03:27 PM |
#46 |
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Thanks! |
CaliforniaPeggy |
Dec-09-10 04:00 PM |
#77 |
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there can be a lot of issues here but we simply cannot talk about it cause we dont know |
seabeyond |
Dec-09-10 04:46 PM |
#100 |
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I don't know about the bullying of kids in the UK vs. US. |
CTyankee |
Dec-09-10 05:21 PM |
#129 |
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mmm, my first thought was parenting issues for the child and repercussions |
seabeyond |
Dec-09-10 05:29 PM |
#141 |
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well, I said "suspect" for a reason. I don't "know." And neither do any of us here. |
CTyankee |
Dec-09-10 05:46 PM |
#153 |
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firstly... i am really trying to think of what that suspect is with the eeew factor. |
seabeyond |
Dec-09-10 05:54 PM |
#159 |
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well, for one thing, this kid is in the UK not here. I don't know what the Internet culture is there |
CTyankee |
Dec-09-10 06:12 PM |
#169 |
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we are more hung up? there is a reason it made it as a "story", lol. nt |
seabeyond |
Dec-09-10 06:32 PM |
#180 |
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well, it's unusual...so that makes news, right? So maybe some Brits are as hungup as we are. |
CTyankee |
Dec-09-10 07:18 PM |
#197 |
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because some may not see breastfeeding a 6 yr old as a good or positive thing does not make them |
seabeyond |
Dec-09-10 07:26 PM |
#201 |
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I didn't say that. I just wondered why it was such an emotional issue for folks here. |
CTyankee |
Dec-09-10 07:45 PM |
#210 |
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Exactly. Different people have different ways, there is no one "right" way to be |
uppityperson |
Dec-09-10 04:54 PM |
#117 |
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Somebody's going to grow up LOVING titties. |
toddwv |
Dec-09-10 03:32 PM |
#56 |
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or totally fucked up and not. i dont know. do you know? nt |
seabeyond |
Dec-09-10 04:48 PM |
#103 |
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Actually, I think it is a lack of breast feeding which has made males so obsessed .... |
defendandprotect |
Dec-09-10 04:51 PM |
#113 |
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i think there's something to that -- as cultures fetishize different parts of the female anatomy. |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 06:46 PM |
#187 |
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And another BS fantasy hits the board. |
HuckleB |
Dec-10-10 10:23 PM |
#344 |
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I see no problem with it. eom |
yawnmaster |
Dec-09-10 03:36 PM |
#60 |
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I breastfed our children. |
Dappleganger |
Dec-09-10 03:37 PM |
#61 |
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None of my business. n/t |
DefenseLawyer |
Dec-09-10 03:37 PM |
#62 |
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Ummmmm..... |
Cali_Democrat |
Dec-09-10 03:39 PM |
#64 |
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As well you should be...and ME too...but... |
CTyankee |
Dec-09-10 05:23 PM |
#132 |
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As well you should be...and ME too...but... |
CTyankee |
Dec-09-10 05:24 PM |
#133 |
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Very possibly a cultural issue |
Horse with no Name |
Dec-09-10 03:43 PM |
#67 |
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Little Britain skit in the making |
Stevenmarc |
Dec-09-10 03:47 PM |
#69 |
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Perfectly fine.... as long as she promises to pay for the poor lad's therapy. |
Lucky 13 |
Dec-09-10 03:49 PM |
#70 |
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And warns the women he ends up dating some day. (n/t) |
WorseBeforeBetter |
Dec-09-10 04:33 PM |
#81 |
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My SIL was breast fed until almost 7 |
Rebubula |
Dec-09-10 03:54 PM |
#72 |
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That's too old. She is infantilizing the child. nt |
Liquorice |
Dec-09-10 03:54 PM |
#74 |
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She needs mental health care, and the kid probably does, too. |
TexasObserver |
Dec-09-10 04:25 PM |
#79 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Dec-09-10 04:26 PM |
#80 |
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Middle name "Oedipus." |
WinkyDink |
Dec-09-10 04:41 PM |
#87 |
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Remember that Freud actually . . . |
defendandprotect |
Dec-09-10 04:54 PM |
#118 |
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I do believe the story of Oedipus pre-dates Freud. |
WinkyDink |
Dec-09-10 07:16 PM |
#194 |
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Yeah, by at least a couple thousand years. |
Coventina |
Dec-10-10 07:59 AM |
#287 |
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In many societies women breastfeed kids until 4 or 5 because... |
Odin2005 |
Dec-09-10 04:42 PM |
#93 |
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Didn't work this time. |
alphafemale |
Dec-10-10 04:32 PM |
#318 |
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This will not end well. |
apocalypsehow |
Dec-09-10 04:44 PM |
#95 |
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People in the LaLeche League support this. |
undeterred |
Dec-09-10 04:44 PM |
#98 |
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damn, this is a fun thread. i havent had a fun thread like this in a long time... lol. sigh |
seabeyond |
Dec-09-10 04:49 PM |
#107 |
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I'm all for parent/child bonding |
WolverineDG |
Dec-09-10 04:50 PM |
#111 |
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Informative article from the authority in the field |
Cairycat |
Dec-09-10 04:51 PM |
#114 |
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very interesting, thanks. & jibes with my personal experience. |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 04:59 PM |
#122 |
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Disgusting due to being unnatural. |
Ginto |
Dec-09-10 04:58 PM |
#120 |
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It's actually not at all unnatural. |
antigone382 |
Dec-10-10 01:14 AM |
#278 |
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Teeth = time to wean. |
Ginto |
Dec-10-10 07:09 AM |
#285 |
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That isn't what most public health professionals say. |
antigone382 |
Dec-10-10 09:19 AM |
#297 |
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And some physicians rail against vaccines. |
Ginto |
Dec-10-10 09:26 AM |
#300 |
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*MOST* public health professionals advocate breastfeeding until at least age one. |
antigone382 |
Dec-10-10 09:47 AM |
#307 |
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Once again, teeth = time to start weaning. |
Ginto |
Dec-10-10 09:50 AM |
#309 |
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too bad your contention is supported by -- oh, nothing. |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-10-10 10:39 PM |
#348 |
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Dupe. n/t |
antigone382 |
Dec-10-10 09:47 AM |
#308 |
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I have no problem with extended breastfeeding. |
Crunchy Frog |
Dec-09-10 05:11 PM |
#125 |
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That's some sick stuff.. |
Upton |
Dec-09-10 05:16 PM |
#127 |
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hahahahaha. Sexualizing breasts is best? "hubby" should nurse, not kids? |
uppityperson |
Dec-09-10 05:37 PM |
#148 |
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ya know, I think that some of what builds the cultural ick factor is the |
tigereye |
Dec-09-10 07:52 PM |
#211 |
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I wouldn't say it's "horrifying" but she should stop before he gets any older. |
AmandaMae |
Dec-09-10 05:25 PM |
#135 |
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Fine by me. This is not entirely unheard of either, especially with an older sibling. |
Poll_Blind |
Dec-09-10 05:25 PM |
#136 |
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Disgusting. That woman has issues. |
Bunny |
Dec-09-10 05:26 PM |
#139 |
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And you know this how? |
vanlassie |
Dec-09-10 10:34 PM |
#261 |
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before we judge... |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Dec-09-10 05:30 PM |
#142 |
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Nothing wrong with that. It is common in many cultures and in no way a "sexual perversion". |
HopeHoops |
Dec-09-10 05:32 PM |
#144 |
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It's the boobs thing. Many can't get past the automatic sexualization of breasts. |
Poll_Blind |
Dec-09-10 05:34 PM |
#145 |
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I'm a guy. I like tits. Facts be facts here. But YES! They are for FEEDING CHILDREN! |
HopeHoops |
Dec-09-10 05:39 PM |
#150 |
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They also serve a sexual/biologically-driven purpose. |
NoodleyAppendage |
Dec-09-10 06:13 PM |
#170 |
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Since this happens for men also, what is that purpose? nt |
uppityperson |
Dec-09-10 06:19 PM |
#174 |
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Atavistic trait and undifferentiated tissue from early fetal development. |
NoodleyAppendage |
Dec-09-10 06:42 PM |
#185 |
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I meant being them good feelings, not just having nipples |
uppityperson |
Dec-09-10 06:56 PM |
#189 |
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play? nt |
seabeyond |
Dec-09-10 07:18 PM |
#196 |
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Same PNS nerve tracts in males and females from early fetal development. |
NoodleyAppendage |
Dec-09-10 09:46 PM |
#246 |
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the difference from today and yesterday. growing up in the 60's, mothers often breast fed regularly |
seabeyond |
Dec-09-10 05:49 PM |
#154 |
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Where I live, it's very common to see women whipping out boobs to quiet hungry children. |
Poll_Blind |
Dec-09-10 05:52 PM |
#158 |
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see, the problem. i was raised in AZ, moved to calif until in 20's. living in texas and have been |
seabeyond |
Dec-09-10 05:56 PM |
#165 |
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well, it's weird, sea, since on some level there's a divide between the gener- |
tigereye |
Dec-09-10 07:57 PM |
#214 |
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This thread had that old DU discussion feel - nice! ... i hear ya. i thought so too |
seabeyond |
Dec-09-10 08:37 PM |
#234 |
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so the question is, is this a result of the new rules, or a new paradigm? |
tigereye |
Dec-10-10 06:16 AM |
#282 |
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people should not be so open minded that their brain falls out |
JitterbugPerfume |
Dec-09-10 05:41 PM |
#151 |
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Six is too old, and |
muchacho caliente |
Dec-09-10 05:42 PM |
#152 |
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This should be a private affair |
fadedrose |
Dec-09-10 05:50 PM |
#155 |
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NAw, the 6 yr. old is getting the same attention as his baby brother. |
CTyankee |
Dec-09-10 07:30 PM |
#206 |
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i think the most telling line in the article is |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Dec-09-10 05:54 PM |
#160 |
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I think it has more to do with this boy wants some attention from his mom than nutrition |
cherish44 |
Dec-10-10 07:48 AM |
#286 |
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If the kid is old enough to say "I want a tit"... |
TroglodyteScholar |
Dec-09-10 05:55 PM |
#163 |
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You seem to believe the two are mutually exclusive. |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 06:24 PM |
#177 |
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I seem to believe they *should* be. n/t |
TroglodyteScholar |
Dec-09-10 07:12 PM |
#193 |
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if they were, few babies would survive infancy. |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 07:29 PM |
#205 |
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If you say so. n/t |
TroglodyteScholar |
Dec-09-10 07:57 PM |
#215 |
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yes, i say so. plenty of one & two year olds can say "i wanna tit". so according to |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 08:04 PM |
#220 |
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It's like people who are horrified by female circumcision. |
Ginto |
Dec-10-10 01:23 PM |
#316 |
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Cute, Ginto. |
vanlassie |
Dec-11-10 08:39 PM |
#393 |
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Disgusting. |
frogmarch |
Dec-09-10 06:18 PM |
#173 |
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I dunno - its not going to KILL the kid |
Taverner |
Dec-09-10 06:24 PM |
#178 |
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We have 5 year old. |
underpants |
Dec-09-10 06:35 PM |
#182 |
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No older than two, in my opinion. |
Blue_In_AK |
Dec-09-10 06:44 PM |
#186 |
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My thought -- doesn't breast milk contain higher mercury and other contaminants? |
moriah |
Dec-09-10 06:59 PM |
#190 |
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Something not being addressed here is the cultural norm where they are. |
nolabear |
Dec-09-10 07:12 PM |
#192 |
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+1 |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Dec-09-10 07:17 PM |
#195 |
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+2 |
hamsterjill |
Dec-10-10 09:22 AM |
#298 |
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I dunno, 6 seems a little old - most moms I know who breastfeed toddlers- |
tigereye |
Dec-09-10 07:20 PM |
#198 |
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By that age, we are into issues of control (for mom) and dependency (for the kid). |
JoePhilly |
Dec-09-10 07:55 PM |
#213 |
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kids gradually abandon the breast, most by age three. entirely on their own. |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 11:34 PM |
#271 |
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Not a straw-man. |
JoePhilly |
Dec-10-10 05:05 PM |
#324 |
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i think most moms understand their power and ability in manipulation and responsibility as a parent |
seabeyond |
Dec-11-10 09:44 AM |
#356 |
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Thank you ... |
JoePhilly |
Dec-11-10 03:44 PM |
#369 |
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i LOVE your story. and you are right on. my niece has a little one. |
seabeyond |
Dec-11-10 04:05 PM |
#370 |
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We did giggle ... and outright LAUGH at each other ... |
JoePhilly |
Dec-11-10 04:25 PM |
#375 |
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And youe extended schooling as taught you to learn anecdotally? |
vanlassie |
Dec-11-10 08:45 PM |
#395 |
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unimportant and inconsequential |
inna |
Dec-09-10 07:57 PM |
#216 |
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Horrifying. |
blueamy66 |
Dec-09-10 08:00 PM |
#218 |
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Ha Ha Ha very funny- don't you know that women nurse kids who have teeth??? Everywhere? Always hav |
vanlassie |
Dec-09-10 10:10 PM |
#253 |
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Is there something more |
blueamy66 |
Dec-10-10 08:26 PM |
#331 |
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ALWAYS HAVE NURSED KIDS WITH TEETH. |
vanlassie |
Dec-10-10 09:32 PM |
#333 |
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Not a choice I have to make. |
bigwillq |
Dec-09-10 08:06 PM |
#221 |
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how about a third choice? |
Blecht |
Dec-09-10 08:08 PM |
#223 |
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it is a news story. this is a discussion board. a subject is being discussed |
seabeyond |
Dec-09-10 08:44 PM |
#237 |
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ibtl |
leftstreet |
Dec-09-10 08:08 PM |
#224 |
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I bf'd until just over 4yo. Six seems a little old to me.... |
Magsinok |
Dec-09-10 08:11 PM |
#225 |
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But, that younger sibling is exposed to older sib's germs! Tandem nursing is the BEST defense. |
vanlassie |
Dec-09-10 10:09 PM |
#252 |
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That depends. |
Jamastiene |
Dec-09-10 08:29 PM |
#229 |
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ackety. |
lonestarnot |
Dec-09-10 08:35 PM |
#231 |
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Europeans handle things so different then in america. Six yrs old is |
southernyankeebelle |
Dec-09-10 08:36 PM |
#233 |
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how do they "handle" it differently? it is a news story there. sounding like they |
seabeyond |
Dec-09-10 08:46 PM |
#238 |
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This post is useless without... |
Shining Jack |
Dec-09-10 08:42 PM |
#235 |
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Just plain weird |
Throd |
Dec-09-10 08:42 PM |
#236 |
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this isn't for the kids...the mother gets a thrill...sicko! |
Gin |
Dec-09-10 09:11 PM |
#242 |
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That's a bunch of crap. The only sicko is the observer who sexualizes it. |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 09:49 PM |
#247 |
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It can't psychologically healthy for someone to remember breastfeeding |
alphafemale |
Dec-09-10 10:00 PM |
#249 |
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And you know this...how? |
vanlassie |
Dec-09-10 10:07 PM |
#251 |
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And you know it won't be psychologically disturbing...how? |
alphafemale |
Dec-09-10 10:18 PM |
#256 |
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Because I nursed a child until age 5.5 and they are healthy and well adjusted at age 27 now. |
vanlassie |
Dec-09-10 10:33 PM |
#260 |
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Glad it worked out for you. |
alphafemale |
Dec-10-10 04:44 PM |
#320 |
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No one. And I mean NO ONE is saying this is the only choice. |
vanlassie |
Dec-10-10 09:44 PM |
#339 |
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it's not an experiment. it was the typical practice during most of human history. |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 10:46 PM |
#265 |
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Most of human history flies in the face of your "guessing" about this. Do some research. |
vanlassie |
Dec-09-10 10:52 PM |
#267 |
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"4 to 5 years of nursing is the norm for the great apes and for women |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 10:10 PM |
#254 |
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We aren't apes nor a primitive society. |
alphafemale |
Dec-09-10 10:26 PM |
#258 |
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i fail to see why nursing at age 6 suddenly becomes a source of psychological |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 10:31 PM |
#259 |
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ps: foraging societies aren't "cave people" |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-09-10 11:55 PM |
#272 |
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Foraging/Primative societies don't have the priviledge of worrying about psychological trauma |
alphafemale |
Dec-10-10 04:48 PM |
#321 |
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Only "certain" people seem bothered, though.... hmmmm.... |
vanlassie |
Dec-09-10 10:40 PM |
#263 |
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hmmmm A few people really tag teaming on this thread. I wonder why that is? hmmmm |
alphafemale |
Dec-10-10 04:39 PM |
#319 |
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And you know this HOW? |
vanlassie |
Dec-10-10 09:33 PM |
#334 |
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And YOU, alphafemale, are bothered by this. Hmmm. why is that, exactly? |
vanlassie |
Dec-09-10 10:44 PM |
#264 |
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I'm more bothered by the posting of it on the internet than anything nt |
alphafemale |
Dec-10-10 04:29 PM |
#317 |
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Mmmm.... and how would "little Johnny's "little friend" know this? |
vanlassie |
Dec-10-10 09:36 PM |
#337 |
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Because his attention seeking mommy posted it to the intertubes??? |
alphafemale |
Dec-10-10 10:48 PM |
#350 |
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Almost trollish... |
saras |
Dec-09-10 10:21 PM |
#257 |
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None of my business and i don't care. |
Mimosa |
Dec-09-10 11:15 PM |
#270 |
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+ |
struggle4progress |
Dec-10-10 11:59 AM |
# |
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Wow, 6 |
guitar man |
Dec-10-10 12:08 AM |
#273 |
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Neither. |
Le Taz Hot |
Dec-10-10 07:03 AM |
#284 |
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When this kid gets to high school all the other boys are going to want to trade lunches with him... |
cherish44 |
Dec-10-10 08:13 AM |
#288 |
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And my "verdict" is |
howard112211 |
Dec-10-10 08:21 AM |
#289 |
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She should probably stop when breastfeeding puts a tent in his pants. nt |
NorthCarolina |
Dec-10-10 08:26 AM |
#290 |
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ROFLMAO!!!!! |
Donnachaidh |
Dec-10-10 11:59 AM |
#314 |
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So. i'm not the only one that noticed. nt |
alphafemale |
Dec-10-10 04:50 PM |
#323 |
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dirty minds see dirty things. |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-11-10 05:38 PM |
#384 |
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An erection on a little boy is "dirty" REALLY!? |
alphafemale |
Dec-11-10 07:24 PM |
#391 |
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the fact that you see an erection tell me a little more about yours. |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-11-10 09:41 PM |
#401 |
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"Lellow" |
Barack_America |
Dec-10-10 08:28 AM |
#291 |
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Mothers deliberately teach or encourage a made up- not identifiable word for nursing |
vanlassie |
Dec-10-10 09:10 AM |
#294 |
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Don't judge her? Guess what? I didn't breast feed my kids at all |
cherish44 |
Dec-10-10 08:30 AM |
#292 |
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good point. and i bet you are right on. i have seen posts talking about the amazing difference |
seabeyond |
Dec-10-10 09:16 AM |
#296 |
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Does he yank her breast out at inappropriate times? |
mainer |
Dec-10-10 08:41 AM |
#293 |
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And it was a problem for whom? Her or you? |
vanlassie |
Dec-10-10 09:12 AM |
#295 |
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definitely for her. She was angry at him |
mainer |
Dec-10-10 10:07 AM |
#310 |
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Yeah, kids never fuss. |
vanlassie |
Dec-10-10 09:35 PM |
#335 |
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How many fussing kids rip at your blouse and assault you? |
mainer |
Dec-11-10 10:18 AM |
#357 |
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No, we don't like it, and yes, we often wish it was otherwise, |
vanlassie |
Dec-11-10 11:53 AM |
#358 |
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Kids need to respect their mothers. That is all. |
mainer |
Dec-11-10 11:56 AM |
#360 |
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I respect mothers. And that they know their own children best. |
vanlassie |
Dec-11-10 12:20 PM |
#361 |
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Anyone can breastfeed till the kid's 50 for all I care |
mainer |
Dec-11-10 12:46 PM |
#364 |
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Possible. But you know less than I do about her situation, I feel quite sure, since I nursed to age |
vanlassie |
Dec-11-10 03:04 PM |
#368 |
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now you want to know whats really dumb and stupid. I've looked |
okieinpain |
Dec-10-10 09:25 AM |
#299 |
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What does Sarah Palin have to do with it? |
HuckleB |
Dec-10-10 05:19 PM |
#327 |
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Little Britain had a comment on this |
Donnachaidh |
Dec-10-10 11:48 AM |
#311 |
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LOL I posted it earlier in this thread, pretty much says it all |
Stevenmarc |
Dec-10-10 11:54 AM |
#312 |
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Looks like the Mom is getting off on something... |
Hepburn |
Dec-10-10 11:55 AM |
#313 |
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Um cut the apron strings already mom... this is horrifying. |
ddeclue |
Dec-10-10 12:00 PM |
#315 |
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What is she going to do if she has a 3rd baby? Hopefully the oldest will |
Liberal_in_LA |
Dec-10-10 04:50 PM |
#322 |
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That's not right at all and it's very disturbing. |
Lucian |
Dec-10-10 05:07 PM |
#325 |
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Disturbing to YOU, right? What ELSE disturbs you? |
vanlassie |
Dec-11-10 11:55 AM |
#359 |
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I have no problems with a mother nursing... |
Lucian |
Dec-11-10 12:43 PM |
#363 |
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Perhaps you didn't hear thatI nursed one until age 5 and the otheruntil 5.5 |
vanlassie |
Dec-11-10 03:01 PM |
#367 |
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That's messed up. |
Lucian |
Dec-11-10 04:26 PM |
#376 |
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Well, only one of us calling names, kiddo. |
vanlassie |
Dec-11-10 05:28 PM |
#380 |
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You're deflecting. |
Lucian |
Dec-11-10 05:30 PM |
#381 |
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You are saying that my kids were made fun of? Nope- they were leaders, both of them. |
vanlassie |
Dec-11-10 05:42 PM |
#385 |
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Neither. (Looks like a slow day, even for the Daily Fail.) |
HuckleB |
Dec-10-10 05:18 PM |
#326 |
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i honestly think this is a "not our business" issue |
La Lioness Priyanka |
Dec-10-10 08:23 PM |
#329 |
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I agree |
Dorian Gray |
Dec-11-10 04:43 PM |
#379 |
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even then, i still think its not our business. till something falls into the category of abuse |
La Lioness Priyanka |
Dec-12-10 01:27 AM |
#404 |
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Well, if I ever thought there was a chance that my "maternal instinct" might show up late in life |
Withywindle |
Dec-10-10 09:42 PM |
#338 |
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oh withy |
seabeyond |
Dec-10-10 09:46 PM |
#341 |
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Hey, it's what I think. |
Withywindle |
Dec-10-10 10:37 PM |
#346 |
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lol lol |
seabeyond |
Dec-10-10 10:38 PM |
#347 |
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On a serious note. |
Withywindle |
Dec-10-10 10:47 PM |
#349 |
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i think you about got it |
seabeyond |
Dec-11-10 09:33 AM |
#355 |
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From which country and from what time am I passing judgement? |
Cerridwen |
Dec-10-10 09:46 PM |
#340 |
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Horrifying |
taught_me_patience |
Dec-11-10 12:25 PM |
#362 |
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Not one reply calling it horrifying has given |
Cairycat |
Dec-11-10 01:06 PM |
#365 |
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Americans are *so* weird about breasts. |
Nye Bevan |
Dec-11-10 01:49 PM |
#366 |
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did you say that. didnt see. |
seabeyond |
Dec-11-10 04:09 PM |
#371 |
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These are not even remotely the same thing. |
Arkana |
Dec-11-10 06:12 PM |
#390 |
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Thanks for proving my point (nt) |
Nye Bevan |
Dec-11-10 09:04 PM |
#397 |
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Why can't people let them be? I bet they have a healthy relationship. |
Ilsa |
Dec-11-10 04:10 PM |
#372 |
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agreed |
La Lioness Priyanka |
Dec-11-10 04:11 PM |
#373 |
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hm... mama put it out there? why are you blaming us. we didnt pull it out of her |
seabeyond |
Dec-11-10 04:42 PM |
#378 |
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I breastfed my kids WHEN THEY WERE INFANTS |
K8-EEE |
Dec-11-10 04:27 PM |
#377 |
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Pretty weird thread. And yes, that's ridiculous. |
Faygo Kid |
Dec-11-10 05:31 PM |
#382 |
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A bit too much... |
TARAmisu80 |
Dec-11-10 05:58 PM |
#386 |
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Can we get together & do some kind of a DENIAL OF SERVICE on her? |
A-Schwarzenegger |
Dec-11-10 06:03 PM |
#387 |
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are you suggesting that you and many others |
RegieRocker |
Dec-11-10 08:42 PM |
#394 |
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If that is what I inadvertently suggested, I now advertently unsuggest it. |
A-Schwarzenegger |
Dec-12-10 12:37 AM |
#403 |
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Horrifying. |
Arkana |
Dec-11-10 06:09 PM |
#389 |
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And YOUR point which must not be crossed is...? DO enlighten us. |
vanlassie |
Dec-12-10 11:24 AM |
#407 |
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Not really anybody elses business.... |
Desertrose |
Dec-11-10 07:31 PM |
#392 |
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Neither... n/t |
Ozymanithrax |
Dec-11-10 09:06 PM |
#398 |
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That's creepy and wrong (n/t) |
bomberman |
Dec-11-10 09:12 PM |
#399 |
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And you are an expert? Welcome to DU. Were HOPING for a breastfeeding expert. |
vanlassie |
Dec-12-10 11:34 AM |
#409 |
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I don't see a cigarette in her hand, so I guess this is okay |
TK421 |
Dec-12-10 11:28 AM |
#408 |