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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 11:39 AM
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21. Are you really saying that BO making a deal with drug companies
encompasses the whole of the HCR debate and represents the be all and end all of that massive bill?


As far as paying attention, anyone who was paying attention to the MSM and/or DU knows that it is simply a fact that Obama was being pounded during the HCR debate for not putting forward his own comprehensive plan and telling Congress "this is what I want passed." He was hauled over the coals for his lack of leadership by allowing Max Bachus et al to control what went into the legislation.

The fact is that even if Obama did negotiate side deals with big pharma et al the Congress didn't need to include any of that in their versions of the bill. Sure, they risked Obama's veto, but that's the way it goes. They could have done whatever they wanted.
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  -So, We Were Pissed When BO Didn't Offer His Own Plan on HCR, Leaving It To Congress stopbush  Dec-09-10 11:08 AM   #0 
  - DU = BLAME OBAMA FOR THE REPUBLICAN NON STOP FILLUBUSTER  dennis4868   Dec-09-10 11:09 AM   #1 
  - yay! i swear, some people are only happy when they're miserable.  dionysus   Dec-09-10 11:11 AM   #4 
  - that about sums it up-  Bluerthanblue   Dec-09-10 11:10 AM   #2 
  - Blame Obama. Now and forever.  Scurrilous   Dec-09-10 11:11 AM   #3 
  - I guess the truth can be seen in what he chooses to offer, and to publicly fight for. nt  NorthCarolina   Dec-09-10 11:12 AM   #5 
  - What he offered at first was an extension on the middle-class cuts  stopbush   Dec-09-10 11:15 AM   #9 
  - If he hadn't managed to get it so wrong in both instances,  Jamastiene   Dec-09-10 11:12 AM   #6 
  - You're sayin... and I'm agreein.  donheld   Dec-09-10 11:15 AM   #8 
  - Kinda weird isn't it?  jaxx   Dec-09-10 11:13 AM   #7 
  - See my post in this thread. How can you be so disingenuous?  jpgray   Dec-09-10 11:26 AM   #17 
     - The congress wrote the bill.  jaxx   Dec-09-10 11:39 AM   #22 
  - As always, there are differing opinions on this as there were on HCR - but "we"  gateley   Dec-09-10 11:15 AM   #10 
  - Give me a break. I use "we" in the editorial sense,  stopbush   Dec-09-10 11:19 AM   #12 
     - Non, ma raison d'tre, c'est que je suis fatigu de DUers critiquer DUers autres.  gateley   Dec-09-10 11:41 AM   #23 
        - So, you're tired of DUers criticizing other DUers  stopbush   Dec-09-10 11:47 AM   #25 
           - Yeah, you're right. I've been on a tear this morning for some reason. I'm going to  gateley   Dec-09-10 11:49 AM   #26 
  - This is actually a very salient point. Obama acted because Congress had not in the past.  Tatiana   Dec-09-10 11:16 AM   #11 
  - This explains a lot about why President Obama did what he did re HCR:  Pirate Smile   Dec-09-10 11:19 AM   #13 
  - Who made the deal with Billy Tauzin?  jpgray   Dec-09-10 11:28 AM   #18 
  - so we were right twice  lame54   Dec-09-10 11:20 AM   #14 
  - Short memory? Selective memory?  jpgray   Dec-09-10 11:20 AM   #15 
  - Are you really saying that BO making a deal with drug companies  stopbush   Dec-09-10 11:39 AM   #21 
     - This, to you, is leaving it to Congress?  jpgray   Dec-09-10 11:52 AM   #27 
  - A bit disingenuous to suggest that the President did not make  enlightenment   Dec-09-10 11:24 AM   #16 
  - Congress brought a bill forward and voted on it .  Bandit   Dec-09-10 11:29 AM   #19 
  - So, let me see if I have this right.  dgibby   Dec-09-10 11:34 AM   #20 
  - +1  myrna minx   Dec-09-10 12:19 PM   #29 
  - And now  Life Long Dem   Dec-09-10 11:44 AM   #24 
  - When you look at who was invited to the meeting, the time-lines, the ratios of who pays what  mrdmk   Dec-09-10 12:18 PM   #28 
  - "Made a deal giving the Republicans everything they want" is not "offered a plan."  DirkGently   Dec-09-10 01:21 PM   #30 
  - Is this today's new talking point?  readmoreoften   Dec-09-10 01:22 PM   #31 
     - If so, it's a talking point that I started.  stopbush   Dec-09-10 04:13 PM   #32 

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