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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 09:20 PM
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15. Forgive my ignorance of Swedish politics. I am under the impression
that the Social Democratic Party has often been very influential in Sweden, that the party has some Marxian orientation, that the Association of Christian Social Democrats is organized as a wing of the Social Democratic Party, and that the Association of Christian Social Democrats is affiliated with the Socialist International, through the International League of Religious Socialists, which seems to be part of the Christian left

So it is not immediately clear to me exactly why one should identify this as a "right wing Christian political organization"

The Association of Christian Social Democrats has reported taken some anti-Israel stands, which have led to some charges of anti-semitism. Discourse about Israel is complicated by the fact that there are a certain number of anti-semites who disguise their anti-semitism as opposition to Israel; it is further complicated by the fact that a substantial number of idiots cannot distinguish coherently between (1) people whose religious or cultural background is Judaic, (2) people who are political or religious Zionists, and (3) people who are Israelis, of various political complexions; and it is complicated further by the fact that a few people will insist on portraying any opposition to Israeli policy as evidence of anti-semitism. There are, of course, plenty of actual anti-semitic bigots about, across the political spectrum

As far as I can tell, from what has been clearly reported, Ardin is a member of the Association of Christian Social Democrats, and some people have accused the Association of Christian Social Democrats of anti-semitism. If Ardin actually turned out to be an anti-semite, then perhaps one must just sadly recognize that there are some anti-semitic nitwits on our side of the political spectrum, and recognize further that we need to deal with them appropriately. But I don't actually know anything about Ardin or her personal politics: in particular, I do not know whether or not I would regard her as an anti-semite, based on her theories about the problems in the Middle East

I am concerned that the OP may be self-indulgently wandering into a land of fantasies, supported by cherry-picked facts: I like Assange; Ardin accuses Assange; therefore I do not like Ardin; Ardin appears to be a Christian; Ardin is associated with a group that someone has called anti-semitic; therefore I conclude "Ardin belongs to a right wing Christian political organization"

It is very sloppy. We can and must do better than that
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  -Check out 'coincidental' facts such as the family who controls Swedish media snagglepuss  Dec-05-10 08:08 PM   #0 
  - Thanks for bringing this to light. n/t  Catherina   Dec-05-10 08:09 PM   #1 
  - What I find odd is that these facts haven't been reported. Unless I missed  snagglepuss   Dec-05-10 08:15 PM   #5 
     - Maybe the Guardian is unwilling to let the story be about Assange  Catherina   Dec-05-10 08:34 PM   #9 
  - You really are doing a lot of research on wikileaks!  tabatha   Dec-05-10 08:11 PM   #2 
  - For me it is personal in an odd way. I grew up with a violent authoritarian  snagglepuss   Dec-05-10 08:46 PM   #10 
     - Interesting. Thanks for sharing.  tabatha   Dec-05-10 09:11 PM   #13 
        - I didn't know that. I'll have to look that up. I'd be interested reading it.  snagglepuss   Dec-05-10 09:14 PM   #14 
           - Here:  tabatha   Dec-05-10 09:29 PM   #16 
  - The image of Scandinavia being a paradise of justice is slowly fading.  Dawson Leery   Dec-05-10 08:12 PM   #3 
  - Thank you!  Lucinda   Dec-05-10 08:14 PM   #4 
  - I sure seems like a hatchet job, make it up as you go, throw it all  tekisui   Dec-05-10 08:18 PM   #6 
  - Thanks! Kick this out of the park!  glinda   Dec-05-10 08:19 PM   #7 
  - Thanks for this info..  BrklynLiberal   Dec-05-10 08:23 PM   #8 
  - Good work  somone   Dec-05-10 08:50 PM   #11 
  - Why is this not near or at the top?  glinda   Dec-05-10 09:06 PM   #12 
  - Forgive my ignorance of Swedish politics. I am under the impression  struggle4progress   Dec-05-10 09:20 PM   #15 
  - If you are targetting a leftist, hire leftists.  snagglepuss   Dec-05-10 09:53 PM   #17 
  - Could be. But you've suddenly changed your story: a moment ago,  struggle4progress   Dec-05-10 10:40 PM   #20 
     - As indicated in the OP that list is from a American Conservative post.  snagglepuss   Dec-05-10 11:14 PM   #22 
  - You accuse me of being sloppy- look in the mirror. If you recall Leiberman  snagglepuss   Dec-05-10 10:32 PM   #19 
     - I merely questioned whether you had identified the politics of the party correctly  struggle4progress   Dec-05-10 10:58 PM   #21 
  - Stieg Larsson. The Girl who Played w/ Fire.. etc  alittlelark   Dec-05-10 09:57 PM   #18 
  - Yup.  Enthusiast   Dec-06-10 05:45 AM   #25 
  - Whole thing is beyond "coincidental" -- it's a joke .... except for Assange....  defendandprotect   Dec-05-10 11:41 PM   #23 
  - "The Swedish prosecutors office claims they have no idea how Assanges name was leaked."  cigsandcoffee   Dec-05-10 11:52 PM   #24 
  - Apparently Fascists are at work  Enthusiast   Dec-06-10 05:46 AM   #26 
  - interesting. most americans think of sweden as some socialist paradise  Hannah Bell   Dec-06-10 06:00 AM   #27 
  - That is an interesting point and it could apply to Canada as well.  snagglepuss   Dec-06-10 09:51 PM   #30 
  - K & R  AzDar   Dec-06-10 06:21 AM   #28 
  - K&R nt  Celtic Raven   Dec-06-10 12:21 PM   #29 
  - Deep and dark.. (thanks for the facts, Snagglepuss)  Mimosa   Dec-06-10 09:54 PM   #31 
     - If you want to read some other interesting facts check out this investigative  snagglepuss   Dec-06-10 10:27 PM   #32 

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