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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 05:44 AM
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30. No, it is just labels.
Labels are for boxes. The problem, as you point out, is that real human beings tend to not fit in boxes very well. I have a handful of views that some here might find conservative. Many of my views are progressive. I'm extremely liberal. And I hold a few leftist positions as well. Environmentally, I'm at the screaming left fringe, to the left of about 95% of DU.

So which box do I fit in?

In my experience, I'm pretty normal. It's pretty rare for a person to find a person who is so ideologically pure that they fall neatly into one box.

But that doesn't mean the boxes don't exist, or that they aren't labeled. It just means that the boxes aren't nearly as important as some would like to believe.
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  -Progressives are not Liberals nor Leftists denem  Dec-05-10 04:43 AM   #0 
  - There are more labels in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy nt  Xipe Totec   Dec-05-10 04:45 AM   #1 
  - Schools of thought are not labels except  denem   Dec-05-10 04:59 AM   #3 
     - Defend you position, then  Xipe Totec   Dec-05-10 05:03 AM   #6 
        - I am aking whether DU'ers see a difference  denem   Dec-05-10 05:06 AM   #7 
           - How can we see a difference, when all you show is three words  Xipe Totec   Dec-05-10 05:08 AM   #9 
              - I would like your ideas.  denem   Dec-05-10 05:10 AM   #11 
  - parsing. semantics. hair splitting.  cali   Dec-05-10 04:51 AM   #2 
  - Progressive = Liberal = Leftist  denem   Dec-05-10 05:00 AM   #4 
  - Not all liberals and progressives are "leftists". In fact the word 'leftist'  ixion   Dec-05-10 05:03 AM   #5 
  - I view the essential core of 'Leftism' as  denem   Dec-05-10 05:08 AM   #8 
     - That's what I'm saying: Not all progressives define themselves  ixion   Dec-05-10 05:20 AM   #17 
        - So Progressives are not all leftists?  denem   Dec-05-10 05:23 AM   #20 
           - Just stating my opinion. I've met progressives with a wide array of beliefs  ixion   Dec-05-10 05:27 AM   #23 
           - Progressivism is often seen as an attempt to keep capitalism alive  Recursion   Dec-05-10 05:27 AM   #24 
              - IMO Progressivism is a demand to separate  denem   Dec-05-10 05:35 AM   #27 
  - I'd appreciate others' definitions of progressive and liberal  OneGrassRoot   Dec-05-10 05:08 AM   #10 
  - That's what I'm asking.  denem   Dec-05-10 05:11 AM   #12 
  - Of course they're not. Words mean things. Those words have different meanings.  Xithras   Dec-05-10 05:13 AM   #13 
  - Thank you very much! :) n/t  OneGrassRoot   Dec-05-10 05:15 AM   #14 
  - I disagree with all but your 'Liberal' definition,  denem   Dec-05-10 05:16 AM   #15 
  - I don't claim to be a dictionary or any authority...  Xithras   Dec-05-10 05:48 AM   #32 
  - Xithras, how about land/sea conservatives? Folks who are environmentalists?  boppers   Dec-05-10 05:26 AM   #22 
     - No, it is just labels.  Xithras   Dec-05-10 05:44 AM   #30 
  - These are all historically loaded terms  Recursion   Dec-05-10 05:18 AM   #16 
  - In describing "The Left" you cannot ignore Marx  denem   Dec-05-10 05:21 AM   #19 
     - Kapital was published nearly a century after "The Left" started being called that  Recursion   Dec-05-10 05:24 AM   #21 
        - But Capital provided the framework of laying bare  denem   Dec-05-10 05:30 AM   #26 
  - I'm a liberal and I think the word "liberal" was hijacked.  Dr Morbius   Dec-05-10 05:21 AM   #18 
  - Indeed. There was a 'Liberal Party' - the whigs,  denem   Dec-05-10 05:28 AM   #25 
     - I'm actually very close ideologically to the American Whig party.  Dr Morbius   Dec-05-10 06:13 AM   #34 
  - ok  ibegurpard   Dec-05-10 05:43 AM   #28 
  - where does that leave democrats?  Tuesday Afternoon   Dec-05-10 05:43 AM   #29 
  - A Coalition  denem   Dec-05-10 05:47 AM   #31 
  - About the time Obama was running, the word "liberal"  cornermouse   Dec-05-10 05:57 AM   #33 
  - Let's not debate the terms, but the policies. Some believe in rule by the people, others by power.  grahamhgreen   Dec-05-10 06:34 AM   #35 
  - Back in the "radical leftist" days of the late 1960's, Progressive or Leftist  old mark   Dec-05-10 06:52 AM   #36 
  - Progressives aren't corporatists. Both Teddy and Franklin Roosevelt  mmonk   Dec-05-10 08:03 AM   #37 
  - Each Defines On Their Own...  KharmaTrain   Dec-05-10 08:08 AM   #38 
  - And this illustrates beautifully why the Republicans are cleaning  OHdem10   Dec-05-10 08:14 AM   #39 

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