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Sun Dec-05-10 05:36 PM
Response to Reply #46 |
| 50. A generality is a generality. A concrete fact is a concrete fact. |
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Political persuasion involves changing the minds of people who are on the fence or even actually opposed. In my experience, generalities usually do not accomplish that
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| -If you're opposed to Wikileaks, were you opposed to what Daniel Ellsberg did as well? |
Ken Burch |
Dec-04-10 10:35 PM |
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How does the now public fact that Iran now has 19 ICBM's stop a war? It actually funds |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-10 10:36 PM |
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We can assume Congress knew about it anyway. |
Ken Burch |
Dec-04-10 10:37 PM |
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Why would you assume if it was supposed to be secret? |
bluestate10 |
Dec-05-10 04:43 PM |
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Congress gets told a lot of stuff they aren't allowed to tell us. |
Ken Burch |
Dec-05-10 05:21 PM |
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nonsensical post #4,231 for you, |
provis99 |
Dec-04-10 10:44 PM |
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Aww DODGE, if you read the leaks monday you still had time to buy futures on RTN |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-10 10:55 PM |
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Because that's not the only thing in the archive. |
sudopod |
Dec-04-10 11:16 PM |
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So why release information that kills an operation to secure HEU |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-10 11:22 PM |
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You're just obsessed with this HEU aren't you? |
NuclearDem |
Dec-04-10 11:37 PM |
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It killed about 60,000 people with a design that needed no testing.. |
Pavulon |
Dec-05-10 03:28 PM |
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Aren't you out of straws yet? |
NuclearDem |
Dec-04-10 11:27 PM |
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Out of words? you know the things used to answer questions, like the one I posted.. |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-10 11:30 PM |
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No, I meant the straws you're grasping at to make your point seem valid |
NuclearDem |
Dec-04-10 11:31 PM |
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The point you will not address about HEU, that point |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-10 11:33 PM |
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The operation wouldn't have worked anyway. |
Ken Burch |
Dec-05-10 12:57 AM |
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The fact that the Russians say bullshit on that might help. |
JackRiddler |
Dec-05-10 04:33 PM |
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Really??????????? nt |
bluestate10 |
Dec-05-10 04:46 PM |
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"Does Iran Really Have Missiles that Threaten Europe?" |
JackRiddler |
Dec-05-10 04:59 PM |
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Exactly eom |
Taverner |
Dec-04-10 10:48 PM |
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Daniel Ellsberg leaked secrets about America? |
provis99 |
Dec-04-10 10:49 PM |
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And let's get the Swedes to frame Ellsberg for sex crimes while we're at it? |
Ken Burch |
Dec-04-10 10:51 PM |
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Personally I would rather hang than live to be an old man in Florence ADX |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-10 10:57 PM |
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Pollard and Manning have NOTHING in common. |
Ken Burch |
Dec-04-10 11:02 PM |
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Pollard was smarter. Manning is a fucking moron who wrote his own confession. |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-10 11:11 PM |
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Yeah. It's so much better to sell actual secrets to Israel. |
ingac70 |
Dec-04-10 11:28 PM |
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Both filth, they will die in the same hospital.(nt) |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-10 11:30 PM |
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Hey look, something that has nothing to do with the OP. nt |
sudopod |
Dec-04-10 11:17 PM |
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Did Ellsberg dump operational information about East Germany or US / USSR |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-10 11:24 PM |
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Ellsburg disagrees. |
ingac70 |
Dec-04-10 11:30 PM |
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Good for him. Don't care. Manning confessed in the clear. his lul seeking |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-10 11:31 PM |
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The world isn't 4chan brosauce. nt |
sudopod |
Dec-05-10 02:34 AM |
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uh...what? |
Ken Burch |
Dec-05-10 05:18 PM |
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The term "lulz" is utterly meaningless. |
Ken Burch |
Dec-05-10 03:07 AM |
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You're wasting your time. I'm beginning to think that this is just a well |
Guy Whitey Corngood |
Dec-05-10 04:53 PM |
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Nixon. 1971. |
JackRiddler |
Dec-05-10 04:34 PM |
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Ellsberg, Assange. Always remember to keep an eye on the ball. |
RufusTFirefly |
Dec-04-10 11:03 PM |
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Ellsberg leaked an internal history of the Vietnam war, went into hiding for about two weeks, |
struggle4progress |
Dec-04-10 11:24 PM |
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Embarrassing like, people knowing you've shielded torturers embarrassing. |
EFerrari |
Dec-05-10 03:57 AM |
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It's reasonable to wonder how to go after the torturers, and there are |
struggle4progress |
Dec-05-10 02:46 PM |
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Here or anywhere else given that the US interferes with the judicial process |
EFerrari |
Dec-05-10 04:30 PM |
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I don't want you to abandon your overall philosophical stance, or your |
struggle4progress |
Dec-05-10 04:49 PM |
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Your "pessimistic generality" is my fact: The US does interfere |
EFerrari |
Dec-05-10 04:57 PM |
#46 |
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A generality is a generality. A concrete fact is a concrete fact. |
struggle4progress |
Dec-05-10 05:36 PM |
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I don't see them as at all comparable |
jberryhill |
Dec-05-10 12:59 AM |
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Max Frankel says otherwie |
Hippo_Tron |
Dec-05-10 04:35 AM |
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Frankel's argument was basically "It was OK when WE did it, but this is different". |
Ken Burch |
Dec-05-10 04:40 AM |
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No his argument is that Ellsberg leaked the Pentagon Papers to end a war |
Hippo_Tron |
Dec-05-10 01:47 PM |
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A good read. Thanks! |
struggle4progress |
Dec-05-10 09:34 PM |
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That's funny. I don't see any of the DU posters making fun of the leaks, here. Hmm. |
Festivito |
Dec-05-10 07:27 AM |
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If they were around back then, yes, I bet nearly all of them were. |
Forkboy |
Dec-05-10 04:24 PM |
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No. |
bluestate10 |
Dec-05-10 04:40 PM |
#41 |
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