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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 10:48 PM
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4. Exactly eom
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  -If you're opposed to Wikileaks, were you opposed to what Daniel Ellsberg did as well? Ken Burch  Dec-04-10 10:35 PM   #0 
  - How does the now public fact that Iran now has 19 ICBM's stop a war? It actually funds  Pavulon   Dec-04-10 10:36 PM   #1 
  - We can assume Congress knew about it anyway.  Ken Burch   Dec-04-10 10:37 PM   #2 
  - Why would you assume if it was supposed to be secret?  bluestate10   Dec-05-10 04:43 PM   #42 
     - Congress gets told a lot of stuff they aren't allowed to tell us.  Ken Burch   Dec-05-10 05:21 PM   #49 
  - nonsensical post #4,231 for you,  provis99   Dec-04-10 10:44 PM   #3 
  - Aww DODGE, if you read the leaks monday you still had time to buy futures on RTN  Pavulon   Dec-04-10 10:55 PM   #7 
     - Because that's not the only thing in the archive.  sudopod   Dec-04-10 11:16 PM   #12 
        - So why release information that kills an operation to secure HEU  Pavulon   Dec-04-10 11:22 PM   #14 
           - You're just obsessed with this HEU aren't you?  NuclearDem   Dec-04-10 11:37 PM   #25 
              - It killed about 60,000 people with a design that needed no testing..  Pavulon   Dec-05-10 03:28 PM   #36 
  - Aren't you out of straws yet?  NuclearDem   Dec-04-10 11:27 PM   #17 
  - Out of words? you know the things used to answer questions, like the one I posted..  Pavulon   Dec-04-10 11:30 PM   #19 
     - No, I meant the straws you're grasping at to make your point seem valid  NuclearDem   Dec-04-10 11:31 PM   #22 
        - The point you will not address about HEU, that point  Pavulon   Dec-04-10 11:33 PM   #24 
           - The operation wouldn't have worked anyway.  Ken Burch   Dec-05-10 12:57 AM   #26 
  - The fact that the Russians say bullshit on that might help.  JackRiddler   Dec-05-10 04:33 PM   #39 
     - Really??????????? nt  bluestate10   Dec-05-10 04:46 PM   #43 
        - "Does Iran Really Have Missiles that Threaten Europe?"  JackRiddler   Dec-05-10 04:59 PM   #47 
  - Exactly eom  Taverner   Dec-04-10 10:48 PM   #4 
  - Daniel Ellsberg leaked secrets about America?  provis99   Dec-04-10 10:49 PM   #5 
  - And let's get the Swedes to frame Ellsberg for sex crimes while we're at it?  Ken Burch   Dec-04-10 10:51 PM   #6 
  - Personally I would rather hang than live to be an old man in Florence ADX  Pavulon   Dec-04-10 10:57 PM   #8 
  - Pollard and Manning have NOTHING in common.  Ken Burch   Dec-04-10 11:02 PM   #9 
  - Pollard was smarter. Manning is a fucking moron who wrote his own confession.  Pavulon   Dec-04-10 11:11 PM   #11 
     - Yeah. It's so much better to sell actual secrets to Israel.  ingac70   Dec-04-10 11:28 PM   #18 
        - Both filth, they will die in the same hospital.(nt)  Pavulon   Dec-04-10 11:30 PM   #21 
  - Hey look, something that has nothing to do with the OP. nt  sudopod   Dec-04-10 11:17 PM   #13 
     - Did Ellsberg dump operational information about East Germany or US / USSR  Pavulon   Dec-04-10 11:24 PM   #15 
        - Ellsburg disagrees.  ingac70   Dec-04-10 11:30 PM   #20 
        - Good for him. Don't care. Manning confessed in the clear. his lul seeking  Pavulon   Dec-04-10 11:31 PM   #23 
           - The world isn't 4chan brosauce. nt  sudopod   Dec-05-10 02:34 AM   #28 
              - uh...what?  Ken Burch   Dec-05-10 05:18 PM   #48 
        - The term "lulz" is utterly meaningless.  Ken Burch   Dec-05-10 03:07 AM   #29 
           - You're wasting your time. I'm beginning to think that this is just a well  Guy Whitey Corngood   Dec-05-10 04:53 PM   #45 
  - Nixon. 1971.  JackRiddler   Dec-05-10 04:34 PM   #40 
  - Ellsberg, Assange. Always remember to keep an eye on the ball.  RufusTFirefly   Dec-04-10 11:03 PM   #10 
  - Ellsberg leaked an internal history of the Vietnam war, went into hiding for about two weeks,  struggle4progress   Dec-04-10 11:24 PM   #16 
  - Embarrassing like, people knowing you've shielded torturers embarrassing.  EFerrari   Dec-05-10 03:57 AM   #30 
     - It's reasonable to wonder how to go after the torturers, and there are  struggle4progress   Dec-05-10 02:46 PM   #35 
        - Here or anywhere else given that the US interferes with the judicial process  EFerrari   Dec-05-10 04:30 PM   #38 
           - I don't want you to abandon your overall philosophical stance, or your  struggle4progress   Dec-05-10 04:49 PM   #44 
              - Your "pessimistic generality" is my fact: The US does interfere  EFerrari   Dec-05-10 04:57 PM   #46 
                 - A generality is a generality. A concrete fact is a concrete fact.  struggle4progress   Dec-05-10 05:36 PM   #50 
  - I don't see them as at all comparable  jberryhill   Dec-05-10 12:59 AM   #27 
  - Max Frankel says otherwie  Hippo_Tron   Dec-05-10 04:35 AM   #31 
  - Frankel's argument was basically "It was OK when WE did it, but this is different".  Ken Burch   Dec-05-10 04:40 AM   #32 
  - No his argument is that Ellsberg leaked the Pentagon Papers to end a war  Hippo_Tron   Dec-05-10 01:47 PM   #34 
  - A good read. Thanks!  struggle4progress   Dec-05-10 09:34 PM   #51 
  - That's funny. I don't see any of the DU posters making fun of the leaks, here. Hmm.  Festivito   Dec-05-10 07:27 AM   #33 
  - If they were around back then, yes, I bet nearly all of them were.  Forkboy   Dec-05-10 04:24 PM   #37 
  - No.  bluestate10   Dec-05-10 04:40 PM   #41 
 

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