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lunasun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 01:45 PM
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42. i thought we had an all voluntary military now?
"Victim" ;"need to think this way to survive" I just do not see it - it was a choice he made and it was a choice to be indoctrinated if that is truly where his thought process was shaped. But he may have come to the military that way.

I've met plenty who have never seen war and their view of some people is that those people are sub human and if it was ok to kill them in society they might do that too.

I dont think some folks need a war = the KKK did not need one to kill and find people sub human.
When everyone is not equal in your eyes it is easier to hate.

Ive also met plenty who were drafted and no drill instructor could change their heart.

They may have defended themselves but also told me how harshly some of the others in the miltary treated the people of the occupied country . That did not make them want to join in - just scared them and disheartened them as they were powerless at the time. Someone in that situation I understand and have sympathy for the war time they saw.

But the guy in the booth = not really from the story , but I would keep my mouth shut too 'cause I could get labled as subhuman in his eyes and he seems to miss the crap he was engaged in and as you said had no shame.
So I would stay far away

What if they stated a war and nobody came??
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  -Today I kept my mouth shut. truedelphi  Dec-03-10 08:20 PM   #0 
  - I guess it depends on who he killed  Rage for Order   Dec-03-10 08:24 PM   #1 
  - I wouldn't have been upset as much as I was, if  truedelphi   Dec-03-10 08:29 PM   #4 
  - Never been to war have you?  N_E_1 for Tennis   Dec-04-10 01:04 PM   #39 
  - Good on ya, for listening, for giving him that outlet...  CaliforniaPeggy   Dec-03-10 08:25 PM   #2 
  - Soldiers are always victims of war.  Radical Activist   Dec-03-10 08:27 PM   #3 
  - Oh, no no no...  WillParkinson   Dec-03-10 08:33 PM   #5 
     - So true, innocence lost, but they are trying to make a difference this time  SaveAmerica   Dec-03-10 10:41 PM   #27 
  - Wow. Powerful story.  Rhiannon12866   Dec-03-10 08:33 PM   #6 
  - I hear you abt the veteran benefits. The County I live in has only 89,000 people.  truedelphi   Dec-03-10 08:45 PM   #7 
     - VA care  Tatersbrowning   Dec-03-10 09:40 PM   #20 
     - Welcome to DU  Divernan   Dec-04-10 05:52 PM   #62 
     - It's much the same in my area, Northern NY, very rural.  Rhiannon12866   Dec-03-10 09:54 PM   #22 
     - That's a true shame (your Congressman's loss)  SaveAmerica   Dec-03-10 10:44 PM   #28 
     - the same with mine-and NO public transportation outside of Dallas County  w8liftinglady   Dec-03-10 11:45 PM   #31 
  - War exploits men.  undeterred   Dec-03-10 08:49 PM   #8 
  - people are people  proud patriot   Dec-03-10 08:52 PM   #9 
  - you did a very generous thing  Kali   Dec-03-10 08:54 PM   #10 
  - Thank you.  truedelphi   Dec-03-10 08:57 PM   #11 
     - I followed her for a long time - has she ever written again after getting to Syria?  Kali   Dec-03-10 09:02 PM   #13 
  - After many years of sleepless  donco   Dec-03-10 08:57 PM   #12 
  - Thank you for spelling it out, truedelphi.  Octafish   Dec-03-10 09:05 PM   #14 
  - Hi Octafish!  truedelphi   Dec-03-10 09:21 PM   #17 
  - Have you read the book "Winter Soldier - Iraq and Afghanistan -  kgnu_fan   Dec-03-10 09:13 PM   #15 
  - That will be one for my library list.  truedelphi   Dec-03-10 09:27 PM   #19 
  - just know that as much as they pretend not to care...they care.Thank you from a vet's mom  w8liftinglady   Dec-03-10 09:19 PM   #16 
  - I will do that. And I really feel that in some way I have this assignment of  truedelphi   Dec-03-10 09:26 PM   #18 
  - thank you. Your kindness has given me heart and renewed my faith in people.  peacebird   Dec-03-10 09:47 PM   #21 
  - I had an experience over the summer like this that kind of hangs with me.  jotsy   Dec-03-10 10:17 PM   #23 
  - You've addressed the 3rd group  SaveAmerica   Dec-03-10 10:34 PM   #25 
  - Thank you for not judging and extra thanks for listening  SaveAmerica   Dec-03-10 10:25 PM   #24 
  - Thanks for listening  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-03-10 10:34 PM   #26 
  - Thank you. He, too, is a victim.  Swamp Rat   Dec-03-10 10:44 PM   #29 
  - There's something I don't get.  FedUp_Queer   Dec-04-10 07:56 PM   #67 
  - What the military has done to our soldiers is nothing less than a crime against humanity  MadHound   Dec-03-10 10:48 PM   #30 
  - Thanks for this input, Mad Hound.  truedelphi   Dec-04-10 01:25 AM   #32 
  - Another thing they did was switch the marksmanship  flying rabbit   Dec-04-10 12:40 PM   #36 
  - Yes--that came from studies of Korean War combat  pinboy3niner   Dec-04-10 12:54 PM   #37 
  - Yes. Grossman.  Jackpine Radical   Dec-04-10 01:58 PM   #43 
  - I think your premise is faulty . If you look at some of the  COLGATE4   Dec-04-10 02:33 PM   #44 
  - Yes, yes yes Thank you MadHound  duhneece   Dec-04-10 03:38 PM   #51 
  - It's hard hearing his POV,  tavalon   Dec-04-10 03:45 AM   #33 
  - Interesting story...thanks for sharing..However,  Jokinomx   Dec-04-10 12:19 PM   #34 
  - Lt. Calley is a war criminal  pinboy3niner   Dec-04-10 12:28 PM   #35 
  - I stand corrected.. I remembered the name ..but forgot who did what...  Jokinomx   Dec-04-10 02:40 PM   #45 
  - And Hugh Thompson, Jr. is the hero who stopped the massacre.  glitch   Dec-04-10 12:56 PM   #38 
     - Thank you for the correction...  Jokinomx   Dec-04-10 02:41 PM   #46 
        - You're welcome. It's good to remember his name and that heroes do exist. nt  glitch   Dec-04-10 05:20 PM   #61 
  - Thank You for listening.  N_E_1 for Tennis   Dec-04-10 01:13 PM   #40 
  - It's Up To You Not To Heed The Call-Up  Forrest Greene   Dec-04-10 01:35 PM   #41 
  - i thought we had an all voluntary military now?  lunasun   Dec-04-10 01:45 PM   #42 
  - Everything you say are messages that my heart and my mind  truedelphi   Dec-04-10 03:12 PM   #49 
  - 'We' have secret conscription, a draft based on economic need.  Mimosa   Dec-04-10 04:05 PM   #54 
  - Thank you for your thoughtfulness  SaveAmerica   Dec-04-10 05:17 PM   #59 
  - What if no war was started? Let's put the blame exactly where it belongs.  SaveAmerica   Dec-04-10 05:11 PM   #58 
  - It is inevitable that the innocent die in war...  rasputin1952   Dec-04-10 03:07 PM   #47 
  - Rear echelon troops who never went off post  tabasco   Dec-04-10 03:11 PM   #48 
  - And grunts who saw real combat...  pinboy3niner   Dec-04-10 03:42 PM   #52 
     - Sounds like a liar.  tabasco   Dec-04-10 07:39 PM   #66 
  - Ack, I wanted to post this before my #47...  rasputin1952   Dec-04-10 03:35 PM   #50 
  - K&R your eloquent, meaningful topic.  Mimosa   Dec-04-10 04:00 PM   #53 
  - The commanders are the main culprits from POTUS and Congress that voted to go there on down!  sce56   Dec-04-10 04:18 PM   #55 
  - nice story except for the end  bos1   Dec-04-10 04:36 PM   #56 
  - Kicked and recommended.  Uncle Joe   Dec-04-10 04:41 PM   #57 
  - K&R I'll share my similar experiences later. Bookmarking.  puebloknot   Dec-04-10 05:18 PM   #60 
  - Kudos on allowing him to talk  siligut   Dec-04-10 05:58 PM   #63 
  - self deleted  Carni   Dec-04-10 06:54 PM   #64 
  - You know, he does understand  mimitabby   Dec-04-10 07:15 PM   #65 
  - I am sure of that also.  truedelphi   Dec-04-10 09:08 PM   #68 
  - A big thank you to everyone who  truedelphi   Dec-05-10 05:52 PM   #69 
 

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