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76. I don't know about capitalism per se, but I believe the US is about to go the way of the Soviet Unio
I'm serious.

We very nearly didn't survive the Bush super-recession and we aren't anywhere near out of the woods yet. We needed much more reform than we got, thanks largely to GOP nihilism, to President Obama's failure to properly respond to their obstructionism, and to opposition from crooked Democrats who took corporate money and played ball they way they wanted it played.

So what we have is a House controlled by the very people who want to return to policies that failed disastrously from 2001 to 2008. Gridlock is the best we can expect of the situation, and gridlock is still something we cannot afford. As a nation, we will not survive that.

I admit to being part of the failure myself. I voted for Obama thinking he could drive through the reform that needed. Of course, it's a tall order to ask anyone to be FDR, but nothing less was demanded by the crisis. Unfortunately, Barack Obama was not up to the task.

Corporations may be artificial persons, but they are the real tyrants of our time. Look it up in Plato's Republic if you don't believe me. Plato said that a tyrant is one whose appetites rule him rather than he controlling his appetites, that the tyrant would respect nothing sacred, no code of honor and no relationship to friend or parent if any of that stood between him and the satisfaction of his appetites. Uncontrolled his appetites become insatiable. The corporation that plays dangerously and irresponsible in the market with other people's money and expects the taxpayers to fork it over when it gets in over its head fits this model to a T.

It is time to overthrow these tyrants. Large corporations must either be reined in or dismantled. If Declaration of Independence declares that the people have the right to alter or abolish a form of government that is destructive to the ends of life and liberty, then the people have as much right to dismantle too-powerful, self-serving economic entities as to behead a king who thinks he can rule like a god. Corporations, and more to the point the people who run them, shall be held accountable for the damage then have to the environment, to the economy and to the common people themselves.

To the useful fools of the corporatacracy, such as Dennis Prager, who said that equality is not an American value, I say that equality is the root principle of all that is American. To those fools who, like Rush Limbaugh, propose to disenfranchise poor citizens of their right to participate in the political system, I say that that no law passed by a state as unrepresentative of its people as you would make the America of your warped, twisted dreams is worthy of the respect you would expect of its subjects. Only a police state can maintain such an order, and we will have none of that. To those fools who assert that America is a mere republic and not a democracy, I say that is a deficiency that we will soon remedy.

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  -We're Living In The Final Years of Capitalism Yavin4  Dec-03-10 07:16 PM   #0 
  - And that's OK.....A paradigm shift is needed.  marmar   Dec-03-10 07:19 PM   #1 
  - Anyone who has read and regarded Khun knows a paradigm shift is inevitable.  Swamp Rat   Dec-03-10 07:34 PM   #12 
  - I don't think so.  MineralMan   Dec-03-10 07:20 PM   #2 
  - You're correct, it would take a total economic collapse for the country to take a "hard Left"!  DailyGrind51   Dec-03-10 07:22 PM   #3 
  - And that total economic collapse is coming...........  socialist_n_TN   Dec-03-10 08:08 PM   #22 
     - Agreed on all points, sir. -nt  Poboy   Dec-04-10 09:37 AM   #55 
     - I hear ya man, nearing 60 with a cancer history, no kids.  DailyGrind51   Dec-04-10 04:30 PM   #75 
  - 20% of Americans Are Either Unemployed/Underemployed  Yavin4   Dec-03-10 07:24 PM   #5 
  - One thing that I think is a good sign is that younger people no longer view the word  LiberalLoner   Dec-03-10 07:25 PM   #7 
  - Yeah -  cilla4progress   Dec-03-10 07:32 PM   #11 
  - That's true. And, yet, about half of those people vote for  MineralMan   Dec-03-10 07:41 PM   #14 
     - I don't think that half of younger people............  socialist_n_TN   Dec-03-10 08:12 PM   #23 
     - And a lot of them don't bother to vote...  Silent3   Dec-04-10 12:36 AM   #42 
        - There is no "Success" to be had for us "Younger" people  Hydra   Dec-04-10 06:39 PM   #85 
           - I haven't seen much that passes for both critical thinking...  Silent3   Dec-04-10 08:19 PM   #92 
           - Thanks for proving my point  Hydra   Dec-04-10 08:57 PM   #95 
              - Follow you where?  Silent3   Dec-04-10 09:07 PM   #96 
                 - Of course, because you aren't listening  Hydra   Dec-04-10 10:01 PM   #100 
                    - Here was a golden opportunity to spell it out...  Silent3   Dec-04-10 10:11 PM   #102 
                       - Golden opportunity?  Hydra   Dec-05-10 04:10 PM   #117 
                          - I want something that allows for a lot of freedom and opportunity...  Silent3   Dec-05-10 07:23 PM   #119 
                             - *Laughs*  Hydra   Dec-05-10 07:42 PM   #120 
                                - Can you explain this "work credit" idea more?  Silent3   Dec-06-10 08:50 PM   #122 
                                   - Here's a partial answer  Hydra   Dec-07-10 12:25 PM   #124 
                                      - Maybe some of what you say might work...  Silent3   Dec-07-10 07:53 PM   #125 
           - Hydra, keep the  nckjm   Dec-04-10 10:09 PM   #101 
              - Ty and welcome to DU  Hydra   Dec-05-10 04:04 PM   #116 
     - I disagree with one of your points.  napoleon_in_rags   Dec-04-10 05:21 PM   #80 
        - Power in the hands of a small elite is common to the human condition...  Silent3   Dec-04-10 08:37 PM   #94 
  - You need to find a better alternative first  social_critic   Dec-03-10 08:04 PM   #21 
  - when it falls it will be from it's top heavy nature, it will fall of it's own weight  ThomThom   Dec-04-10 07:20 PM   #89 
  - Yes! Plus a million! Oh I hope together we can do this! n/t  LiberalLoner   Dec-03-10 07:24 PM   #4 
  - I think capitalism will still exist, but just not the capitalism we're used to  NuclearDem   Dec-03-10 07:24 PM   #6 
  - Except we have come almost full circle  dixiegrrrrl   Dec-04-10 06:36 PM   #84 
  - I hope so!  cilla4progress   Dec-03-10 07:26 PM   #8 
  - This is the second post tonight I have seen like this  Angry Dragon   Dec-03-10 07:27 PM   #9 
  - we're moving back into a feudalism/barter economy.  provis99   Dec-03-10 07:28 PM   #10 
  - Some of what you say is true, but...  Imajika   Dec-03-10 07:38 PM   #13 
  - The End is Nigh  MrScorpio   Dec-03-10 07:43 PM   #15 
  - Ending capitalism is simple: outlaw interest  Terry in Austin   Dec-03-10 07:43 PM   #16 
  - Just like in the Bible, I suppose  social_critic   Dec-03-10 07:52 PM   #19 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-03-10 11:12 PM   #35 
  - I was wondering if opposition to interest was driven by religion  social_critic   Dec-04-10 03:08 PM   #66 
  - They happened to get that one right, whether by chance or otherwise  Terry in Austin   Dec-04-10 09:51 PM   #98 
  - And just who are you going to get to make such laws? Those that are profiting from the status quo?  rhett o rick   Dec-04-10 11:36 PM   #104 
  - Preaching to the choir, my friend  Terry in Austin   Dec-05-10 12:44 PM   #110 
  - Renewable resources and innovation and fair insurance justify  PufPuf23   Dec-04-10 11:52 PM   #106 
  - Progressive Principles?  social_critic   Dec-03-10 07:46 PM   #17 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-03-10 11:10 PM   #34 
  - The deleted message must have been a doozie  social_critic   Dec-04-10 03:10 PM   #67 
  - Fine with me. I'm sick to death of it.  kestrel91316   Dec-03-10 07:48 PM   #18 
  - The problem lies in human nature  Shandris   Dec-03-10 08:03 PM   #20 
  - Count me out  social_critic   Dec-03-10 08:14 PM   #24 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-03-10 11:15 PM   #37 
     - Please define "work"  Silent3   Dec-03-10 11:48 PM   #39 
        - Why does every solution have to be historical?  Shandris   Dec-04-10 02:39 AM   #43 
           - If you combine aspects of capitalism and socialism...  Silent3   Dec-04-10 05:46 AM   #44 
           - A breakdown...  Shandris   Dec-04-10 05:19 PM   #79 
              - Even with your clarifications like "capitalism... as it is now"...  Silent3   Dec-04-10 09:35 PM   #97 
           - Shandris, just got to come up with a different term, that's all  social_critic   Dec-04-10 03:19 PM   #68 
              - I see where you're coming from...  Shandris   Dec-04-10 05:29 PM   #82 
                 - I look at this more holistically  social_critic   Dec-04-10 07:07 PM   #87 
  - What is 'human nature'?  blindpig   Dec-04-10 07:14 AM   #49 
  - "Human nature" means "universal". There are many societies which do NOT act as you describe,  bobbolink   Dec-05-10 12:49 PM   #111 
  - We the People no longer matter to our ruling elite  Still Waters   Dec-03-10 08:19 PM   #25 
  - Relax  social_critic   Dec-03-10 08:22 PM   #26 
  - Well said. My experience has been similar. n/t  Laelth   Dec-03-10 10:01 PM   #28 
  - Very well said.  Raksha   Dec-04-10 12:06 AM   #40 
  - Too true.  pecwae   Dec-04-10 05:59 AM   #46 
  - +rec  meow mix   Dec-04-10 09:06 AM   #52 
  - K&R  DeSwiss   Dec-03-10 08:24 PM   #27 
  - do you really think so?  FamousBlueRaincoat   Dec-03-10 10:36 PM   #29 
  - K&R. I will see you guys at the barricades.  Odin2005   Dec-03-10 10:44 PM   #30 
  - Certainly the rich person's mantra "rich people create jobs" is going to fall  applegrove   Dec-03-10 10:57 PM   #31 
  - To many people here, we will always be living in the final years of capitalism. n/t  BzaDem   Dec-03-10 11:01 PM   #32 
  - K & R nt  laughingliberal   Dec-03-10 11:08 PM   #33 
  - We are? First this is not capitalism but COMSUMERISM  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-03-10 11:12 PM   #36 
  - Myopic  blindpig   Dec-04-10 07:30 AM   #50 
     - Myopic to use the ACTUAL meaning of the term  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-04-10 05:04 PM   #77 
  - Only if it's also the final years of human life on the planet  Silent3   Dec-03-10 11:27 PM   #38 
  - "There's plenty of evidence that many people turn hard right not hard left, when faced with fear"  BzaDem   Dec-04-10 12:07 AM   #41 
  - We have an example of people turning left-FDR & the Depression  Still Waters   Dec-04-10 08:50 AM   #51 
     - That's why I said "often", not "always"  Silent3   Dec-04-10 11:16 AM   #60 
  - Yep.  Martin Eden   Dec-04-10 10:36 AM   #58 
  - blah blah blah  backwoodsbob   Dec-04-10 05:50 AM   #45 
  - Don't tell me what my job as a progressive is. I'll decide that for myself  cali   Dec-04-10 06:00 AM   #47 
  - +1 n/t  Silent3   Dec-04-10 06:38 AM   #48 
  - My fear is that it will be replaced with explicit fascism or feudalism  conspirator   Dec-04-10 09:08 AM   #53 
  - Capitalism "was"?  social_critic   Dec-04-10 11:53 AM   #61 
  - I think it is obvious to most people  dotymed   Dec-04-10 09:31 AM   #54 
  - Propose an alternative?  social_critic   Dec-04-10 12:09 PM   #62 
     - Okay. The most (in America) acceptable  dotymed   Dec-06-10 08:11 AM   #121 
  - K & R !!!  WillyT   Dec-04-10 09:41 AM   #56 
  - The sky is falling!!! The sky is falling!!!!  cbdo2007   Dec-04-10 09:53 AM   #57 
  - OK. We are not in the final years of capitalism.  NOLALady   Dec-04-10 01:06 PM   #64 
     - Basically, this is just like the post about the billboard predicting the return of Jesus...  cbdo2007   Dec-04-10 05:25 PM   #81 
        - Unregulated Capitalism Lead To Wild Swings In The Market  Yavin4   Dec-04-10 06:57 PM   #86 
  - If it's too expensive to create jobs and there's big money in war...  Octafish   Dec-04-10 10:52 AM   #59 
  - Capitalism and Socialism are dead, or dying because they are systems based on  JCMach1   Dec-04-10 12:46 PM   #63 
  - I don't get it, they are based on unit labor?  social_critic   Dec-04-10 03:37 PM   #69 
     - Workers own the means of production, but what if workers aren't needed?  JCMach1   Dec-05-10 07:11 AM   #108 
  - "All systems fail when the benefits of that system are not fairly nor adequately shared."  BrentWil   Dec-04-10 01:09 PM   #65 
  - Are you a time traveller from 1930?  Capn Sunshine   Dec-04-10 03:38 PM   #70 
  - The natural state of man depends on this and that  social_critic   Dec-04-10 03:54 PM   #71 
     - maybe not slaves, but if I trade you some Rabbit for your berries, that's basic capitalism.  Capn Sunshine   Dec-04-10 03:57 PM   #73 
        - Sorry, but that's not capitalism  social_critic   Dec-04-10 06:22 PM   #83 
           - Sorry. Wrong  Capn Sunshine   Dec-05-10 12:13 AM   #107 
              - That's not capitalism  social_critic   Dec-05-10 01:58 PM   #113 
              - Capitalism might be more than just barter...  Silent3   Dec-06-10 10:13 PM   #123 
              - Hah...  anaxarchos   Dec-05-10 02:15 PM   #115 
  - Which is why the elite want to pilfer what is left of social security and the pension systems.  sarcasmo   Dec-04-10 03:57 PM   #72 
  - I agree, but we need a specific plan. We need a leader, strategy and tactics.  rhett o rick   Dec-04-10 04:11 PM   #74 
  - BS- that won't work  social_critic   Dec-04-10 07:10 PM   #88 
     - "Start out by insisting..". Just how do you do that? They dont listen to us.  rhett o rick   Dec-04-10 11:32 PM   #103 
  - I don't know about capitalism per se, but I believe the US is about to go the way of the Soviet Unio  Jack Rabbit   Dec-04-10 04:46 PM   #76 
  - Equality defined  social_critic   Dec-04-10 08:09 PM   #90 
     - Democracy defined; equality defined in the context of democracy  Jack Rabbit   Dec-05-10 01:42 PM   #112 
        - What we have in the USA is close enough  social_critic   Dec-05-10 02:01 PM   #114 
           - It is not relevant whether we are presently "close enough" or not  Jack Rabbit   Dec-05-10 07:06 PM   #118 
  - I am a moderate.  bluestate10   Dec-04-10 05:14 PM   #78 
  - Moderate here too  social_critic   Dec-04-10 08:12 PM   #91 
     - 58% of the federal budget goes to the Pentagon  maryf   Dec-05-10 08:22 AM   #109 
  - We can but hope.  Ken Burch   Dec-04-10 08:20 PM   #93 
  - Good riddance to the Steinbrenner family, then!!  madinmaryland   Dec-04-10 09:53 PM   #99 
  - Final years of capitalism in the US of A. Capitalism is flourishing in China, the new empire. nm  rhett o rick   Dec-04-10 11:40 PM   #105 

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