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| -We're Living In The Final Years of Capitalism |
Yavin4 |
Dec-03-10 07:16 PM |
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And that's OK.....A paradigm shift is needed. |
marmar |
Dec-03-10 07:19 PM |
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Anyone who has read and regarded Khun knows a paradigm shift is inevitable. |
Swamp Rat |
Dec-03-10 07:34 PM |
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I don't think so. |
MineralMan |
Dec-03-10 07:20 PM |
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You're correct, it would take a total economic collapse for the country to take a "hard Left"! |
DailyGrind51 |
Dec-03-10 07:22 PM |
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And that total economic collapse is coming........... |
socialist_n_TN |
Dec-03-10 08:08 PM |
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Agreed on all points, sir. -nt |
Poboy |
Dec-04-10 09:37 AM |
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I hear ya man, nearing 60 with a cancer history, no kids. |
DailyGrind51 |
Dec-04-10 04:30 PM |
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20% of Americans Are Either Unemployed/Underemployed |
Yavin4 |
Dec-03-10 07:24 PM |
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One thing that I think is a good sign is that younger people no longer view the word |
LiberalLoner |
Dec-03-10 07:25 PM |
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Yeah - |
cilla4progress |
Dec-03-10 07:32 PM |
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That's true. And, yet, about half of those people vote for |
MineralMan |
Dec-03-10 07:41 PM |
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I don't think that half of younger people............ |
socialist_n_TN |
Dec-03-10 08:12 PM |
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And a lot of them don't bother to vote... |
Silent3 |
Dec-04-10 12:36 AM |
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There is no "Success" to be had for us "Younger" people |
Hydra |
Dec-04-10 06:39 PM |
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I haven't seen much that passes for both critical thinking... |
Silent3 |
Dec-04-10 08:19 PM |
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Thanks for proving my point |
Hydra |
Dec-04-10 08:57 PM |
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Follow you where? |
Silent3 |
Dec-04-10 09:07 PM |
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Of course, because you aren't listening |
Hydra |
Dec-04-10 10:01 PM |
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Here was a golden opportunity to spell it out... |
Silent3 |
Dec-04-10 10:11 PM |
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Golden opportunity? |
Hydra |
Dec-05-10 04:10 PM |
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I want something that allows for a lot of freedom and opportunity... |
Silent3 |
Dec-05-10 07:23 PM |
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*Laughs* |
Hydra |
Dec-05-10 07:42 PM |
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Can you explain this "work credit" idea more? |
Silent3 |
Dec-06-10 08:50 PM |
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Here's a partial answer |
Hydra |
Dec-07-10 12:25 PM |
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Maybe some of what you say might work... |
Silent3 |
Dec-07-10 07:53 PM |
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Hydra, keep the faith...you |
nckjm |
Dec-04-10 10:09 PM |
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Ty and welcome to DU |
Hydra |
Dec-05-10 04:04 PM |
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I disagree with one of your points. |
napoleon_in_rags |
Dec-04-10 05:21 PM |
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Power in the hands of a small elite is common to the human condition... |
Silent3 |
Dec-04-10 08:37 PM |
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You need to find a better alternative first |
social_critic |
Dec-03-10 08:04 PM |
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when it falls it will be from it's top heavy nature, it will fall of it's own weight |
ThomThom |
Dec-04-10 07:20 PM |
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Yes! Plus a million! Oh I hope together we can do this! n/t |
LiberalLoner |
Dec-03-10 07:24 PM |
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I think capitalism will still exist, but just not the capitalism we're used to |
NuclearDem |
Dec-03-10 07:24 PM |
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Except we have come almost full circle |
dixiegrrrrl |
Dec-04-10 06:36 PM |
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I hope so! |
cilla4progress |
Dec-03-10 07:26 PM |
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This is the second post tonight I have seen like this |
Angry Dragon |
Dec-03-10 07:27 PM |
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we're moving back into a feudalism/barter economy. |
provis99 |
Dec-03-10 07:28 PM |
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Some of what you say is true, but... |
Imajika |
Dec-03-10 07:38 PM |
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The End is Nigh |
MrScorpio |
Dec-03-10 07:43 PM |
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Ending capitalism is simple: outlaw interest |
Terry in Austin |
Dec-03-10 07:43 PM |
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Just like in the Bible, I suppose |
social_critic |
Dec-03-10 07:52 PM |
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Dec-03-10 11:12 PM |
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I was wondering if opposition to interest was driven by religion |
social_critic |
Dec-04-10 03:08 PM |
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They happened to get that one right, whether by chance or otherwise |
Terry in Austin |
Dec-04-10 09:51 PM |
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And just who are you going to get to make such laws? Those that are profiting from the status quo? |
rhett o rick |
Dec-04-10 11:36 PM |
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Preaching to the choir, my friend |
Terry in Austin |
Dec-05-10 12:44 PM |
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Renewable resources and innovation and fair insurance justify |
PufPuf23 |
Dec-04-10 11:52 PM |
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Progressive Principles? |
social_critic |
Dec-03-10 07:46 PM |
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Dec-03-10 11:10 PM |
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The deleted message must have been a doozie |
social_critic |
Dec-04-10 03:10 PM |
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Fine with me. I'm sick to death of it. |
kestrel91316 |
Dec-03-10 07:48 PM |
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The problem lies in human nature |
Shandris |
Dec-03-10 08:03 PM |
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Count me out |
social_critic |
Dec-03-10 08:14 PM |
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Dec-03-10 11:15 PM |
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Please define "work" |
Silent3 |
Dec-03-10 11:48 PM |
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Why does every solution have to be historical? |
Shandris |
Dec-04-10 02:39 AM |
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If you combine aspects of capitalism and socialism... |
Silent3 |
Dec-04-10 05:46 AM |
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A breakdown... |
Shandris |
Dec-04-10 05:19 PM |
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Even with your clarifications like "capitalism... as it is now"... |
Silent3 |
Dec-04-10 09:35 PM |
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Shandris, just got to come up with a different term, that's all |
social_critic |
Dec-04-10 03:19 PM |
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I see where you're coming from... |
Shandris |
Dec-04-10 05:29 PM |
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I look at this more holistically |
social_critic |
Dec-04-10 07:07 PM |
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What is 'human nature'? |
blindpig |
Dec-04-10 07:14 AM |
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"Human nature" means "universal". There are many societies which do NOT act as you describe, |
bobbolink |
Dec-05-10 12:49 PM |
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We the People no longer matter to our ruling elite |
Still Waters |
Dec-03-10 08:19 PM |
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Relax |
social_critic |
Dec-03-10 08:22 PM |
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Well said. My experience has been similar. n/t |
Laelth |
Dec-03-10 10:01 PM |
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Very well said. |
Raksha |
Dec-04-10 12:06 AM |
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Too true. |
pecwae |
Dec-04-10 05:59 AM |
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+rec |
meow mix |
Dec-04-10 09:06 AM |
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K&R |
DeSwiss |
Dec-03-10 08:24 PM |
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do you really think so? |
FamousBlueRaincoat |
Dec-03-10 10:36 PM |
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K&R. I will see you guys at the barricades. |
Odin2005 |
Dec-03-10 10:44 PM |
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Certainly the rich person's mantra "rich people create jobs" is going to fall |
applegrove |
Dec-03-10 10:57 PM |
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To many people here, we will always be living in the final years of capitalism. n/t |
BzaDem |
Dec-03-10 11:01 PM |
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K & R nt |
laughingliberal |
Dec-03-10 11:08 PM |
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We are? First this is not capitalism but COMSUMERISM |
nadinbrzezinski |
Dec-03-10 11:12 PM |
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Myopic |
blindpig |
Dec-04-10 07:30 AM |
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Myopic to use the ACTUAL meaning of the term |
nadinbrzezinski |
Dec-04-10 05:04 PM |
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Only if it's also the final years of human life on the planet |
Silent3 |
Dec-03-10 11:27 PM |
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"There's plenty of evidence that many people turn hard right not hard left, when faced with fear" |
BzaDem |
Dec-04-10 12:07 AM |
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We have an example of people turning left-FDR & the Depression |
Still Waters |
Dec-04-10 08:50 AM |
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That's why I said "often", not "always" |
Silent3 |
Dec-04-10 11:16 AM |
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Yep. |
Martin Eden |
Dec-04-10 10:36 AM |
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blah blah blah |
backwoodsbob |
Dec-04-10 05:50 AM |
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Don't tell me what my job as a progressive is. I'll decide that for myself |
cali |
Dec-04-10 06:00 AM |
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+1 n/t |
Silent3 |
Dec-04-10 06:38 AM |
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My fear is that it will be replaced with explicit fascism or feudalism |
conspirator |
Dec-04-10 09:08 AM |
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Capitalism "was"? |
social_critic |
Dec-04-10 11:53 AM |
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I think it is obvious to most people |
dotymed |
Dec-04-10 09:31 AM |
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Propose an alternative? |
social_critic |
Dec-04-10 12:09 PM |
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Okay. The most (in America) acceptable |
dotymed |
Dec-06-10 08:11 AM |
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K & R !!! |
WillyT |
Dec-04-10 09:41 AM |
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The sky is falling!!! The sky is falling!!!! |
cbdo2007 |
Dec-04-10 09:53 AM |
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OK. We are not in the final years of capitalism. |
NOLALady |
Dec-04-10 01:06 PM |
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Basically, this is just like the post about the billboard predicting the return of Jesus... |
cbdo2007 |
Dec-04-10 05:25 PM |
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Unregulated Capitalism Lead To Wild Swings In The Market |
Yavin4 |
Dec-04-10 06:57 PM |
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If it's too expensive to create jobs and there's big money in war... |
Octafish |
Dec-04-10 10:52 AM |
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Capitalism and Socialism are dead, or dying because they are systems based on |
JCMach1 |
Dec-04-10 12:46 PM |
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I don't get it, they are based on unit labor? |
social_critic |
Dec-04-10 03:37 PM |
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Workers own the means of production, but what if workers aren't needed? |
JCMach1 |
Dec-05-10 07:11 AM |
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"All systems fail when the benefits of that system are not fairly nor adequately shared." |
BrentWil |
Dec-04-10 01:09 PM |
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Are you a time traveller from 1930? |
Capn Sunshine |
Dec-04-10 03:38 PM |
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The natural state of man depends on this and that |
social_critic |
Dec-04-10 03:54 PM |
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maybe not slaves, but if I trade you some Rabbit for your berries, that's basic capitalism. |
Capn Sunshine |
Dec-04-10 03:57 PM |
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Sorry, but that's not capitalism |
social_critic |
Dec-04-10 06:22 PM |
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Sorry. Wrong |
Capn Sunshine |
Dec-05-10 12:13 AM |
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That's not capitalism |
social_critic |
Dec-05-10 01:58 PM |
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Capitalism might be more than just barter... |
Silent3 |
Dec-06-10 10:13 PM |
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Hah... |
anaxarchos |
Dec-05-10 02:15 PM |
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Which is why the elite want to pilfer what is left of social security and the pension systems. |
sarcasmo |
Dec-04-10 03:57 PM |
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I agree, but we need a specific plan. We need a leader, strategy and tactics. |
rhett o rick |
Dec-04-10 04:11 PM |
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BS- that won't work |
social_critic |
Dec-04-10 07:10 PM |
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"Start out by insisting..". Just how do you do that? They dont listen to us. |
rhett o rick |
Dec-04-10 11:32 PM |
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I don't know about capitalism per se, but I believe the US is about to go the way of the Soviet Unio |
Jack Rabbit |
Dec-04-10 04:46 PM |
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Equality defined |
social_critic |
Dec-04-10 08:09 PM |
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Democracy defined; equality defined in the context of democracy |
Jack Rabbit |
Dec-05-10 01:42 PM |
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What we have in the USA is close enough |
social_critic |
Dec-05-10 02:01 PM |
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It is not relevant whether we are presently "close enough" or not |
Jack Rabbit |
Dec-05-10 07:06 PM |
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I am a moderate. |
bluestate10 |
Dec-04-10 05:14 PM |
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Moderate here too |
social_critic |
Dec-04-10 08:12 PM |
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58% of the federal budget goes to the Pentagon |
maryf |
Dec-05-10 08:22 AM |
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We can but hope. |
Ken Burch |
Dec-04-10 08:20 PM |
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Good riddance to the Steinbrenner family, then!! |
madinmaryland |
Dec-04-10 09:53 PM |
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Final years of capitalism in the US of A. Capitalism is flourishing in China, the new empire. nm |
rhett o rick |
Dec-04-10 11:40 PM |
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