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Fri Dec-03-10 08:04 PM
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| 21. You need to find a better alternative first |
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Capitalism as practiced in European nations seems to be a reasonable answer - what they call social democracy. The key is to have a more benign smaller government with less rules (legalizing drugs would help), with much less militarism (this means we got to get rid of Hillary and get out of Iraq and Afghanistan). And the focus should be on lifting the poor rather than destroying incentives, as communists like to do. But I'd like to hear serios alternartives, rather than dreamy "let's go left" comments.
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| -We're Living In The Final Years of Capitalism |
Yavin4 |
Dec-03-10 07:16 PM |
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And that's OK.....A paradigm shift is needed. |
marmar |
Dec-03-10 07:19 PM |
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Anyone who has read and regarded Khun knows a paradigm shift is inevitable. |
Swamp Rat |
Dec-03-10 07:34 PM |
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I don't think so. |
MineralMan |
Dec-03-10 07:20 PM |
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You're correct, it would take a total economic collapse for the country to take a "hard Left"! |
DailyGrind51 |
Dec-03-10 07:22 PM |
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And that total economic collapse is coming........... |
socialist_n_TN |
Dec-03-10 08:08 PM |
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Agreed on all points, sir. -nt |
Poboy |
Dec-04-10 09:37 AM |
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I hear ya man, nearing 60 with a cancer history, no kids. |
DailyGrind51 |
Dec-04-10 04:30 PM |
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20% of Americans Are Either Unemployed/Underemployed |
Yavin4 |
Dec-03-10 07:24 PM |
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One thing that I think is a good sign is that younger people no longer view the word |
LiberalLoner |
Dec-03-10 07:25 PM |
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Yeah - |
cilla4progress |
Dec-03-10 07:32 PM |
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That's true. And, yet, about half of those people vote for |
MineralMan |
Dec-03-10 07:41 PM |
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I don't think that half of younger people............ |
socialist_n_TN |
Dec-03-10 08:12 PM |
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And a lot of them don't bother to vote... |
Silent3 |
Dec-04-10 12:36 AM |
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There is no "Success" to be had for us "Younger" people |
Hydra |
Dec-04-10 06:39 PM |
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I haven't seen much that passes for both critical thinking... |
Silent3 |
Dec-04-10 08:19 PM |
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Thanks for proving my point |
Hydra |
Dec-04-10 08:57 PM |
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Follow you where? |
Silent3 |
Dec-04-10 09:07 PM |
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Of course, because you aren't listening |
Hydra |
Dec-04-10 10:01 PM |
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Here was a golden opportunity to spell it out... |
Silent3 |
Dec-04-10 10:11 PM |
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Golden opportunity? |
Hydra |
Dec-05-10 04:10 PM |
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I want something that allows for a lot of freedom and opportunity... |
Silent3 |
Dec-05-10 07:23 PM |
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*Laughs* |
Hydra |
Dec-05-10 07:42 PM |
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Can you explain this "work credit" idea more? |
Silent3 |
Dec-06-10 08:50 PM |
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Here's a partial answer |
Hydra |
Dec-07-10 12:25 PM |
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Maybe some of what you say might work... |
Silent3 |
Dec-07-10 07:53 PM |
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Hydra, keep the faith...you |
nckjm |
Dec-04-10 10:09 PM |
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Ty and welcome to DU |
Hydra |
Dec-05-10 04:04 PM |
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I disagree with one of your points. |
napoleon_in_rags |
Dec-04-10 05:21 PM |
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Power in the hands of a small elite is common to the human condition... |
Silent3 |
Dec-04-10 08:37 PM |
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You need to find a better alternative first |
social_critic |
Dec-03-10 08:04 PM |
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when it falls it will be from it's top heavy nature, it will fall of it's own weight |
ThomThom |
Dec-04-10 07:20 PM |
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Yes! Plus a million! Oh I hope together we can do this! n/t |
LiberalLoner |
Dec-03-10 07:24 PM |
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I think capitalism will still exist, but just not the capitalism we're used to |
NuclearDem |
Dec-03-10 07:24 PM |
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Except we have come almost full circle |
dixiegrrrrl |
Dec-04-10 06:36 PM |
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I hope so! |
cilla4progress |
Dec-03-10 07:26 PM |
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This is the second post tonight I have seen like this |
Angry Dragon |
Dec-03-10 07:27 PM |
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we're moving back into a feudalism/barter economy. |
provis99 |
Dec-03-10 07:28 PM |
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Some of what you say is true, but... |
Imajika |
Dec-03-10 07:38 PM |
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The End is Nigh |
MrScorpio |
Dec-03-10 07:43 PM |
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Ending capitalism is simple: outlaw interest |
Terry in Austin |
Dec-03-10 07:43 PM |
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Just like in the Bible, I suppose |
social_critic |
Dec-03-10 07:52 PM |
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Dec-03-10 11:12 PM |
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I was wondering if opposition to interest was driven by religion |
social_critic |
Dec-04-10 03:08 PM |
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They happened to get that one right, whether by chance or otherwise |
Terry in Austin |
Dec-04-10 09:51 PM |
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And just who are you going to get to make such laws? Those that are profiting from the status quo? |
rhett o rick |
Dec-04-10 11:36 PM |
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Preaching to the choir, my friend |
Terry in Austin |
Dec-05-10 12:44 PM |
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Renewable resources and innovation and fair insurance justify |
PufPuf23 |
Dec-04-10 11:52 PM |
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Progressive Principles? |
social_critic |
Dec-03-10 07:46 PM |
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Dec-03-10 11:10 PM |
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The deleted message must have been a doozie |
social_critic |
Dec-04-10 03:10 PM |
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Fine with me. I'm sick to death of it. |
kestrel91316 |
Dec-03-10 07:48 PM |
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The problem lies in human nature |
Shandris |
Dec-03-10 08:03 PM |
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Count me out |
social_critic |
Dec-03-10 08:14 PM |
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Dec-03-10 11:15 PM |
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Please define "work" |
Silent3 |
Dec-03-10 11:48 PM |
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Why does every solution have to be historical? |
Shandris |
Dec-04-10 02:39 AM |
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If you combine aspects of capitalism and socialism... |
Silent3 |
Dec-04-10 05:46 AM |
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A breakdown... |
Shandris |
Dec-04-10 05:19 PM |
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Even with your clarifications like "capitalism... as it is now"... |
Silent3 |
Dec-04-10 09:35 PM |
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Shandris, just got to come up with a different term, that's all |
social_critic |
Dec-04-10 03:19 PM |
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I see where you're coming from... |
Shandris |
Dec-04-10 05:29 PM |
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I look at this more holistically |
social_critic |
Dec-04-10 07:07 PM |
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What is 'human nature'? |
blindpig |
Dec-04-10 07:14 AM |
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"Human nature" means "universal". There are many societies which do NOT act as you describe, |
bobbolink |
Dec-05-10 12:49 PM |
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We the People no longer matter to our ruling elite |
Still Waters |
Dec-03-10 08:19 PM |
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Relax |
social_critic |
Dec-03-10 08:22 PM |
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Well said. My experience has been similar. n/t |
Laelth |
Dec-03-10 10:01 PM |
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Very well said. |
Raksha |
Dec-04-10 12:06 AM |
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Too true. |
pecwae |
Dec-04-10 05:59 AM |
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+rec |
meow mix |
Dec-04-10 09:06 AM |
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K&R |
DeSwiss |
Dec-03-10 08:24 PM |
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do you really think so? |
FamousBlueRaincoat |
Dec-03-10 10:36 PM |
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K&R. I will see you guys at the barricades. |
Odin2005 |
Dec-03-10 10:44 PM |
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Certainly the rich person's mantra "rich people create jobs" is going to fall |
applegrove |
Dec-03-10 10:57 PM |
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To many people here, we will always be living in the final years of capitalism. n/t |
BzaDem |
Dec-03-10 11:01 PM |
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K & R nt |
laughingliberal |
Dec-03-10 11:08 PM |
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We are? First this is not capitalism but COMSUMERISM |
nadinbrzezinski |
Dec-03-10 11:12 PM |
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Myopic |
blindpig |
Dec-04-10 07:30 AM |
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Myopic to use the ACTUAL meaning of the term |
nadinbrzezinski |
Dec-04-10 05:04 PM |
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Only if it's also the final years of human life on the planet |
Silent3 |
Dec-03-10 11:27 PM |
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"There's plenty of evidence that many people turn hard right not hard left, when faced with fear" |
BzaDem |
Dec-04-10 12:07 AM |
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We have an example of people turning left-FDR & the Depression |
Still Waters |
Dec-04-10 08:50 AM |
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That's why I said "often", not "always" |
Silent3 |
Dec-04-10 11:16 AM |
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Yep. |
Martin Eden |
Dec-04-10 10:36 AM |
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blah blah blah |
backwoodsbob |
Dec-04-10 05:50 AM |
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Don't tell me what my job as a progressive is. I'll decide that for myself |
cali |
Dec-04-10 06:00 AM |
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+1 n/t |
Silent3 |
Dec-04-10 06:38 AM |
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My fear is that it will be replaced with explicit fascism or feudalism |
conspirator |
Dec-04-10 09:08 AM |
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Capitalism "was"? |
social_critic |
Dec-04-10 11:53 AM |
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I think it is obvious to most people |
dotymed |
Dec-04-10 09:31 AM |
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Propose an alternative? |
social_critic |
Dec-04-10 12:09 PM |
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Okay. The most (in America) acceptable |
dotymed |
Dec-06-10 08:11 AM |
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K & R !!! |
WillyT |
Dec-04-10 09:41 AM |
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The sky is falling!!! The sky is falling!!!! |
cbdo2007 |
Dec-04-10 09:53 AM |
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OK. We are not in the final years of capitalism. |
NOLALady |
Dec-04-10 01:06 PM |
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Basically, this is just like the post about the billboard predicting the return of Jesus... |
cbdo2007 |
Dec-04-10 05:25 PM |
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Unregulated Capitalism Lead To Wild Swings In The Market |
Yavin4 |
Dec-04-10 06:57 PM |
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If it's too expensive to create jobs and there's big money in war... |
Octafish |
Dec-04-10 10:52 AM |
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Capitalism and Socialism are dead, or dying because they are systems based on |
JCMach1 |
Dec-04-10 12:46 PM |
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I don't get it, they are based on unit labor? |
social_critic |
Dec-04-10 03:37 PM |
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Workers own the means of production, but what if workers aren't needed? |
JCMach1 |
Dec-05-10 07:11 AM |
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"All systems fail when the benefits of that system are not fairly nor adequately shared." |
BrentWil |
Dec-04-10 01:09 PM |
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Are you a time traveller from 1930? |
Capn Sunshine |
Dec-04-10 03:38 PM |
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The natural state of man depends on this and that |
social_critic |
Dec-04-10 03:54 PM |
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maybe not slaves, but if I trade you some Rabbit for your berries, that's basic capitalism. |
Capn Sunshine |
Dec-04-10 03:57 PM |
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Sorry, but that's not capitalism |
social_critic |
Dec-04-10 06:22 PM |
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Sorry. Wrong |
Capn Sunshine |
Dec-05-10 12:13 AM |
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That's not capitalism |
social_critic |
Dec-05-10 01:58 PM |
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Capitalism might be more than just barter... |
Silent3 |
Dec-06-10 10:13 PM |
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Hah... |
anaxarchos |
Dec-05-10 02:15 PM |
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Which is why the elite want to pilfer what is left of social security and the pension systems. |
sarcasmo |
Dec-04-10 03:57 PM |
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I agree, but we need a specific plan. We need a leader, strategy and tactics. |
rhett o rick |
Dec-04-10 04:11 PM |
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BS- that won't work |
social_critic |
Dec-04-10 07:10 PM |
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"Start out by insisting..". Just how do you do that? They dont listen to us. |
rhett o rick |
Dec-04-10 11:32 PM |
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I don't know about capitalism per se, but I believe the US is about to go the way of the Soviet Unio |
Jack Rabbit |
Dec-04-10 04:46 PM |
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Equality defined |
social_critic |
Dec-04-10 08:09 PM |
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Democracy defined; equality defined in the context of democracy |
Jack Rabbit |
Dec-05-10 01:42 PM |
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What we have in the USA is close enough |
social_critic |
Dec-05-10 02:01 PM |
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It is not relevant whether we are presently "close enough" or not |
Jack Rabbit |
Dec-05-10 07:06 PM |
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I am a moderate. |
bluestate10 |
Dec-04-10 05:14 PM |
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Moderate here too |
social_critic |
Dec-04-10 08:12 PM |
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58% of the federal budget goes to the Pentagon |
maryf |
Dec-05-10 08:22 AM |
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We can but hope. |
Ken Burch |
Dec-04-10 08:20 PM |
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Good riddance to the Steinbrenner family, then!! |
madinmaryland |
Dec-04-10 09:53 PM |
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Final years of capitalism in the US of A. Capitalism is flourishing in China, the new empire. nm |
rhett o rick |
Dec-04-10 11:40 PM |
#105 |
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