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81. YOU are missing the point. It's not about "age-ism," it's about FORCING people, men, women, to work
BEYOND WHAT THEY MUST NOW, for full benefits.

If you want to advocate for ALLOWING workers to stay on the job beyond 65, THAST is quite a different argument.

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  -Raising retirement age to 69 is cruel and stupid Bragi  Dec-02-10 09:05 AM   #0 
  - Yes, it is utterly cruel  somone   Dec-02-10 09:07 AM   #1 
  - We really need to look at lowering it by at least a decade and a half.  Ginto   Dec-02-10 09:13 AM   #2 
  - My personal view is that you're correct  Bragi   Dec-02-10 09:16 AM   #7 
  - Going by your plan.  Ginto   Dec-02-10 09:19 AM   #11 
  - No objection from me  Bragi   Dec-02-10 09:26 AM   #18 
     - Haha.  Ginto   Dec-02-10 09:26 AM   #20 
  - and it might help many...  awoke_in_2003   Dec-02-10 11:47 PM   #95 
  - 65 is not feasible for most Americans.  dotymed   Dec-03-10 08:12 AM   #142 
  - I would go with 55  Sherman A1   Dec-03-10 02:45 AM   #122 
  - Damn Sherman  Enthusiast   Dec-03-10 05:41 AM   #127 
     - Appreciate the kind words  Sherman A1   Dec-03-10 02:48 PM   #163 
  - But Harvard researchers found a way to reverse aging in mice.  tclambert   Dec-03-10 05:54 AM   #128 
  - Agreed  GreenPartyVoter   Dec-03-10 09:16 AM   #153 
  - We can't afford it  social_critic   Dec-04-10 08:18 PM   #174 
  - Those who work at physical labor are in even worse shape  shraby   Dec-02-10 09:14 AM   #3 
  - Yes. I ran a farm and the physical wear and tear is brutal  csziggy   Dec-02-10 10:57 PM   #88 
     - Try and give up commercial grain. No wheat.  truedelphi   Dec-03-10 02:28 AM   #121 
     - I think I would rather give up meat, then bread.  fasttense   Dec-03-10 08:17 AM   #143 
     - That will not prevent the arthritis pain of bone on bone contact  csziggy   Dec-03-10 11:52 AM   #159 
        - No, giving up wheat cannot undo the damage  truedelphi   Dec-03-10 01:53 PM   #161 
           - I've gone without wheat for weeks on end with no difference  csziggy   Dec-03-10 08:58 PM   #166 
              - I apologize for being such an overbearing zealot.  truedelphi   Dec-03-10 09:45 PM   #168 
                 - That is OK - I understand where you are coming from  csziggy   Dec-03-10 11:23 PM   #169 
     - I can relate.  Enthusiast   Dec-03-10 05:55 AM   #129 
        - I know what you mean, though when I am in pain I need the distraction  csziggy   Dec-03-10 12:05 PM   #160 
  - I don't think that they expect people to work in the same job to 69  FarCenter   Dec-02-10 09:15 AM   #4 
  - The Walmart greeter jobs are in short supply, and older people are  JDPriestly   Dec-03-10 12:00 AM   #99 
  - They had better build more  Enthusiast   Dec-03-10 05:58 AM   #130 
  - It should be lowered to 60 - maybe even 55.  TBF   Dec-02-10 09:15 AM   #5 
  - I vote for lowering it to 48  SoCalNative   Dec-02-10 09:18 AM   #8 
  - And what's so funny about that?  Ginto   Dec-02-10 09:21 AM   #13 
  - You probably think 48 is old, don't you.  Maru Kitteh   Dec-03-10 12:21 AM   #110 
     - 48 is not far away for me.  Ginto   Dec-03-10 03:12 PM   #164 
  - 43 for me  AngryAmish   Dec-02-10 09:22 AM   #15 
  - Nope. Mr. LL's been working since 10 and is 63 now. Course he's made of stronger stuff & has always.  laughingliberal   Dec-02-10 11:19 PM   #92 
  - Arent you mature? nm  rhett o rick   Dec-02-10 07:30 PM   #75 
  - Wow, can I get your autograph...  liberation   Dec-02-10 10:30 PM   #82 
  - Yeah. My husband went to work at 10 to help feed his family and apprenticed in his current trade...  laughingliberal   Dec-02-10 11:17 PM   #91 
  - Agreed 100%. With full health care benefits through a public service.  geckosfeet   Dec-03-10 06:27 AM   #135 
  - Move it to 40 please. And triple social security while you are at it.  dkf   Dec-03-10 09:14 AM   #151 
  - I believe their intent is  femrap   Dec-02-10 09:16 AM   #6 
  - +1  area51   Dec-02-10 10:58 AM   #46 
  - Yep!  femrap   Dec-02-10 02:55 PM   #71 
  - Agreed. And gleefully insulting us while doing the injury.  glitch   Dec-02-10 01:11 PM   #63 
  - I disagree. Although some like Cheeney may get off on hurting people, most are sociopaths.  rhett o rick   Dec-02-10 07:36 PM   #78 
  - Sociopaths get off on hurting people. Remember, they're the ones who pull legs off bugs as children.  laughingliberal   Dec-02-10 11:13 PM   #90 
  - China and India...  awoke_in_2003   Dec-02-10 11:51 PM   #96 
  - No... can't string 'em up, but it might be lucrative soon to learn  Kalyke   Dec-03-10 12:32 AM   #113 
  - Their cruelty is almost....  Enthusiast   Dec-03-10 06:00 AM   #131 
     - That's  femrap   Dec-03-10 09:57 AM   #154 
  - Durbin, who is allegedly on "our" side, was trying to make the  bullwinkle428   Dec-02-10 09:18 AM   #9 
  - Dick Durbin's personal profile:  TBF   Dec-02-10 09:23 AM   #16 
  - I could help out so many of my friends if I made 261, 114 dollars a year.  sarcasmo   Dec-02-10 12:52 PM   #59 
     - but you are not an asshole...  awoke_in_2003   Dec-02-10 11:53 PM   #97 
  - Yeah, what a great plan to make young people really hate old people.  sad sally   Dec-02-10 10:36 PM   #83 
  - For those doing physcial labor, it's even worse  MadHound   Dec-02-10 09:19 AM   #10 
  - I agree  Bragi   Dec-02-10 09:24 AM   #17 
  - I'm 58 and a substitute teacher. Normally I am assigned to  LibDemAlways   Dec-02-10 09:30 AM   #22 
  - No, not employed, not even as a sub,  MadHound   Dec-02-10 09:56 AM   #30 
     - Thanks for telling us your story  Bragi   Dec-02-10 10:02 AM   #31 
     - My husband is a teacher  Dorian Gray   Dec-02-10 10:18 AM   #33 
     - I went to the MOJOE job fair last spring,  MadHound   Dec-02-10 10:28 AM   #38 
     - Years ago I taught in a Catholic school. The turnover rate was  LibDemAlways   Dec-02-10 02:21 PM   #67 
     - Good luck with the book....nt  Enthusiast   Dec-03-10 06:17 AM   #134 
  - That's me. I'm a farmer and at 50, I live on Aleve.  riderinthestorm   Dec-02-10 09:37 AM   #27 
  - I hear you,  MadHound   Dec-02-10 10:31 AM   #39 
     - 40 horses at my place, breeding, selling, boarding, training and competing.  riderinthestorm   Dec-02-10 03:46 PM   #74 
  - That's what I told my wife  Enthusiast   Dec-03-10 06:09 AM   #133 
  - Not the kind of difficult truth we're into dealing with anymore.  phantom power   Dec-02-10 09:20 AM   #12 
  - How is someone who is laid off at 59 or 60  LibDemAlways   Dec-02-10 09:21 AM   #14 
  - They know all that, but they truly don't care  somone   Dec-02-10 09:26 AM   #19 
  - what about  shanti   Dec-02-10 09:52 AM   #29 
  - In my neck of the woods Silicon Valley they start laying off people at age 40 to 45.  avaistheone1   Dec-02-10 10:53 AM   #44 
  - Pull themselves by their own bootstraps, obviously!  liberation   Dec-02-10 10:42 PM   #85 
     - have you looked into...  awoke_in_2003   Dec-03-10 12:04 AM   #101 
        - I am in microelectronics...  liberation   Dec-03-10 01:13 AM   #119 
  - "expected to do for the next nine or ten years?"  awoke_in_2003   Dec-03-10 12:01 AM   #100 
  - Congress will need a companion Anti-age Discrimination Bill  Countdown_3_2_1   Dec-02-10 09:29 AM   #21 
  - I suspect that wouldn't work  Bragi   Dec-02-10 09:32 AM   #24 
  - There is age discrimination legislation already on  LibDemAlways   Dec-02-10 09:33 AM   #25 
  - Plus one. It is totally ignored. nt  Enthusiast   Dec-03-10 06:32 AM   #136 
  - But they'll just look around at themselves and say  Retrograde   Dec-02-10 01:16 PM   #65 
  - the thing is...  awoke_in_2003   Dec-03-10 12:06 AM   #102 
  - It's also absolutely unecessary since SS can be made permanently solvent  rocktivity   Dec-02-10 09:31 AM   #23 
  - Bragi, this in a remarkably honest post. You bring up an issue I have thought about  enough   Dec-02-10 09:35 AM   #26 
  - I totally agree  Bragi   Dec-02-10 09:43 AM   #28 
  - Knowledge and judgment are acquired with age.  lumberjack_jeff   Dec-02-10 10:24 AM   #36 
     - Yeah, but they're the ones writing the cheques  Bragi   Dec-02-10 02:31 PM   #69 
  - If they raise it to 69  guitar man   Dec-02-10 10:06 AM   #32 
  - Imagine if your professional area was hanging sheetrock. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Dec-02-10 10:20 AM   #34 
  - Hurts to even imagine it /nt  Bragi   Dec-02-10 10:23 AM   #35 
  - oh, nothing "stupid" about it. class warfare in action, baby.  inna   Dec-02-10 10:24 AM   #37 
  - They are hoping you don't live to be 69, let alone still be working...  Contrary1   Dec-02-10 10:31 AM   #40 
  - Sometimes im glad im 35, never even though of retirement as an option, and  galileoreloaded   Dec-02-10 10:42 AM   #41 
  - What ethical boundaries are you stretching?  Ginto   Dec-02-10 10:47 AM   #42 
     - If you can't relate, it would be hard to understand.  galileoreloaded   Dec-02-10 11:11 AM   #48 
        - You could always choose to be honest and good to people.  Ginto   Dec-02-10 11:24 AM   #49 
  - K & R nt  laughingliberal   Dec-02-10 10:49 AM   #43 
  - Not defending it, but it is not until 2075. nt  AlinPA   Dec-02-10 10:54 AM   #45 
  - it gradually increases through the whole timeframe. it's already 67.  Hannah Bell   Dec-03-10 01:04 AM   #117 
  - I thought age brought wisdom?  treestar   Dec-02-10 10:59 AM   #47 
  - Well, bully for you. But try grading a million papers weekly instead of doing anything else.  WinkyDink   Dec-02-10 11:27 AM   #50 
  - Any age one can not like their job  treestar   Dec-02-10 11:34 AM   #53 
  - YOU are missing the point. It's not about "age-ism," it's about FORCING people, men, women, to work  WinkyDink   Dec-02-10 07:59 PM   #81 
     - Of course it is. And the oligarchs love it! nt  laughingliberal   Dec-03-10 11:30 AM   #157 
  - Bingo!  Daphne08   Dec-03-10 03:55 AM   #125 
  - Well glad that works well for you, but that's only for you  MadHound   Dec-02-10 12:18 PM   #56 
  - not unexpected at all. nt  awoke_in_2003   Dec-03-10 12:15 AM   #106 
  - You're obviously under 60  ProudDad   Dec-02-10 01:06 PM   #61 
  - Age also brings diminished physical strength, reduced mobility, reduced concentration...  liberation   Dec-02-10 10:47 PM   #86 
  - Obligatory '60s bashing. How original.  WorseBeforeBetter   Dec-02-10 10:51 PM   #87 
  - "I hope wisdom catches up to you"  awoke_in_2003   Dec-03-10 12:17 AM   #107 
     - +1000000000000000000  QC   Dec-03-10 06:02 AM   #132 
  - god forbid...  awoke_in_2003   Dec-03-10 12:13 AM   #105 
  - Obviously the only goal of some humans and their lives is to simply be working bees.  liberation   Dec-03-10 03:31 AM   #123 
     - We are so selfish...  awoke_in_2003   Dec-03-10 02:30 PM   #162 
  - ,  Hannah Bell   Dec-03-10 01:05 AM   #118 
  - News flash: Some people JUST. GET. TIRED.  AngryOldDem   Dec-03-10 08:42 AM   #144 
  - Why not 100?  donco6   Dec-03-10 08:45 AM   #145 
  - Here's a thought. I'm an RN-55. Average age of retirement for nurses is 57.  laughingliberal   Dec-03-10 11:29 AM   #156 
  - WOW. just WOW. (and I mean it, lol)  inna   Dec-04-10 08:45 AM   #171 
  - Considering the number of unemployed we have now, I don't  Vinca   Dec-02-10 11:28 AM   #51 
  - they don't...  awoke_in_2003   Dec-03-10 12:18 AM   #109 
  - Retirees are living about as long as they did in the '30s  KamaAina   Dec-02-10 11:32 AM   #52 
  - Kicked and recommended.  Uncle Joe   Dec-02-10 11:40 AM   #54 
  - K&R nt  mentalsolstice   Dec-02-10 12:09 PM   #55 
  - stupid, and it might as well be 90  katty   Dec-02-10 12:30 PM   #57 
  - Working until 69 is cruel, stupid and in many cases not even possible.  sarcasmo   Dec-02-10 12:50 PM   #58 
  - Too many people are struggling with health issues  felix_numinous   Dec-02-10 01:06 PM   #60 
  - my wife is a case in point...  awoke_in_2003   Dec-03-10 12:23 AM   #111 
  - my father worked in a factory and retired on his 65th birthday  dembotoz   Dec-02-10 01:08 PM   #62 
  - My Dad was a Financial Planner and did taxes after  eilen   Dec-02-10 03:36 PM   #73 
     - "I am a nurse"...  awoke_in_2003   Dec-03-10 12:32 AM   #112 
  - Age discrimination and work related injuries  ProudDad   Dec-02-10 01:13 PM   #64 
  - If there aren't enough jobs now to go around,  Blue_In_AK   Dec-02-10 01:30 PM   #66 
  - It's cruel all right. We don't have jobs like congressmen do, where we only show up part of the year  Raschel   Dec-02-10 02:25 PM   #68 
  - the world will have changed, human lifespans will have changed in 2070  pitohui   Dec-02-10 02:31 PM   #70 
  - With your powers of prophecy  Caretha   Dec-03-10 06:55 AM   #138 
  - It's also unnecessary because Social Security is  Cleita   Dec-02-10 02:57 PM   #72 
  - exactly.  bdamomma   Dec-03-10 09:07 AM   #149 
  - Some idiots even here think that the age under discussion it the age one will have to work until.  rhett o rick   Dec-02-10 07:33 PM   #76 
  - Most republicans want to see  RegieRocker   Dec-02-10 07:35 PM   #77 
  - It should be lowered to 60.  Swamp Rat   Dec-02-10 07:40 PM   #79 
  - Especially since people with medical problems will have no insurance and will die  McCamy Taylor   Dec-02-10 07:48 PM   #80 
  - I believe that's the plan. nt  laughingliberal   Dec-02-10 11:20 PM   #93 
     - yup, that could be the plan, I don't put anything past those elected officials.  bdamomma   Dec-03-10 09:11 AM   #150 
  - After all, we are a cruel and stupid society. nt  Javaman   Dec-02-10 10:36 PM   #84 
  - that is their perception of some of us, but not all of us are stupid/  bdamomma   Dec-03-10 09:15 AM   #152 
     - True, but for the moment, sutpid appears to rule. nt  Javaman   Dec-03-10 11:26 AM   #155 
  - You're absolutely right.  donco6   Dec-02-10 10:59 PM   #89 
  - I will die on the job...  awoke_in_2003   Dec-02-10 11:45 PM   #94 
  - Bragi, at 67, I know what you mean. I just get tired faster.  JDPriestly   Dec-02-10 11:59 PM   #98 
  - Good luck finding a job that will keep you  djp2   Dec-03-10 12:07 AM   #103 
  - Here is what they should do:  JDPriestly   Dec-03-10 12:07 AM   #104 
  - What's even more cruel is to still have the mental abilities you  Kalyke   Dec-03-10 12:18 AM   #108 
  - Billionaire suffer more than the poor/middleclass.........  farmboxer   Dec-03-10 12:40 AM   #114 
  - Serfing  leftcoastie   Dec-03-10 01:01 AM   #115 
  - kr  Hannah Bell   Dec-03-10 01:02 AM   #116 
  - that does not fit my experience  hfojvt   Dec-03-10 01:30 AM   #120 
  - Wouldn't it be nice if geezers had a choice?  WinkyDink   Dec-03-10 07:02 AM   #139 
  - Not if...You'got yours!  Hubert Flottz   Dec-03-10 03:32 AM   #124 
  - K&R Cruel, stupid and  Enthusiast   Dec-03-10 05:36 AM   #126 
  - work? at what? seriously.....  Locrian   Dec-03-10 06:34 AM   #137 
  - I just decided on my retirement date yesterday  jumptheshadow   Dec-03-10 07:12 AM   #140 
  - To raise the retirement age in this country, we'd have to be  spicegal   Dec-03-10 07:44 AM   #141 
  - K & R  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-03-10 08:57 AM   #146 
  - upperclass sociopaths  fascisthunter   Dec-03-10 08:58 AM   #147 
  - K&R ! //nt  Overseas   Dec-03-10 09:02 AM   #148 
  - K&R great OP. n/t  Mimosa   Dec-03-10 11:33 AM   #158 
  - SS has nothing to do with the debt. In fact it's running over 2 trillion dollar surplus!  B Calm   Dec-03-10 03:18 PM   #165 
  - Don't any of you understand the truth behind this?  DainBramaged   Dec-03-10 09:01 PM   #167 
  - I'd like to see it lowered significantly  FooshIt   Dec-04-10 12:39 AM   #170 
  - As I near that magical Social-Security-eiligbile age, I dread the thought of having  Stardust   Dec-04-10 07:15 PM   #172 
  - You guys must not be rich, because raising the retirement age will only...  WhaTHellsgoingonhere   Dec-04-10 07:18 PM   #173 
     - I'm not rich  social_critic   Dec-04-10 08:19 PM   #175 
 

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