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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 09:50 AM
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95. Very good analysis. Well said.
We're still playing the game of Risk on a real world scale.
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  -WIKILEAKS: US role in establishing Honduran dictatorship kpete  Nov-28-10 08:17 PM   #0 
  - Well well well.  Arctic Dave   Nov-28-10 08:23 PM   #1 
  - Yeppers, this is not a new thing...  originalpckelly   Nov-28-10 08:25 PM   #3 
  - Yep. We love our left wing coups.  joshcryer   Nov-28-10 08:54 PM   #31 
     - you mean right wing coup  reggie the dog   Nov-29-10 02:14 AM   #89 
  - Not even Miss Cleo saw this one coming. NOT!  originalpckelly   Nov-28-10 08:24 PM   #2 
  - LOL  malaise   Nov-28-10 08:26 PM   #5 
     - Good saying, and sadly it is so true.  originalpckelly   Nov-28-10 08:31 PM   #7 
     - But the sh!t we do in this hemisphere is the worst and treated like  EFerrari   Nov-28-10 09:51 PM   #56 
        - This was one of the things I was hoping to see in today's release.  laughingliberal   Nov-28-10 11:13 PM   #72 
        - Yes. Me, too. We now have the ocular proof.  EFerrari   Nov-28-10 11:34 PM   #78 
           - Dare we hope there's more on Latin America in there?  laughingliberal   Nov-28-10 11:46 PM   #80 
              - There is one cable from Paris that says Chavez is turning Venezuela  EFerrari   Nov-28-10 11:53 PM   #81 
                 - Thanks. nt  laughingliberal   Nov-29-10 12:10 AM   # 
                 - or a reference to...  SnakeEyes   Nov-29-10 08:08 PM   #132 
        - I have lived it sis  malaise   Nov-29-10 05:13 AM   #91 
  - To use a Bill Hicks quote: "How does it feel to know that *WE* are the evil empire?"  Initech   Nov-28-10 08:26 PM   #4 
  - I put it a slightly different way:  originalpckelly   Nov-28-10 08:31 PM   #6 
     - If we invade Iran, it's over.  Initech   Nov-28-10 08:41 PM   #17 
  - And? Obama publicly stated it was an illegal coup, and tried to stop it  frazzled   Nov-28-10 08:33 PM   #8 
  - No. We never stopped all the funding and we never stopped  EFerrari   Nov-28-10 08:37 PM   #12 
  - Exactly,  ProSense   Nov-28-10 08:39 PM   #14 
  - You keep telling yourself that.  Odin2005   Nov-29-10 12:10 AM   #85 
  - As will the spin!  de novo   Nov-29-10 09:52 AM   #96 
  - Then why are we continuing to send military aid to Honduras?  Puregonzo1188   Nov-28-10 08:42 PM   #19 
  - +1 nt  laughingliberal   Nov-28-10 11:16 PM   #73 
  - I recently read an article about GHW Bush buying 96,000  pokercat999   Nov-29-10 07:45 PM   #131 
  - Talk is cheap.  Xicano   Nov-28-10 08:42 PM   #20 
  - After reading this, it sounds like a US airfield was used to fly the President out.  originalpckelly   Nov-28-10 08:48 PM   #25 
  - It was. n/t  EFerrari   Nov-28-10 08:49 PM   #26 
  - Public statements that were not backed up by the actions of the U.S.  sabrina 1   Nov-28-10 09:53 PM   #58 
  - "Zelaya had the audacity to raise the minimum wage."  sabrina 1   Nov-28-10 09:58 PM   #60 
     - +1000 nt  laughingliberal   Nov-28-10 11:17 PM   #74 
     - Keep the peons poor, stupid and desperate for work.  formercia   Nov-29-10 10:12 AM   #99 
  - that was the diplo-speak to give us plausible deniability.  Odin2005   Nov-29-10 12:08 AM   #84 
  - Well, no point arguing with conspiracists  frazzled   Nov-29-10 09:47 AM   #94 
  - No, wait, let me guess, he was a fierce advocate against the coup. -nt  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Nov-29-10 03:21 PM   #111 
  - Whoooooooop, there it is.  EFerrari   Nov-28-10 08:35 PM   #9 
  - sad K&R. //nt  Overseas   Nov-28-10 08:35 PM   #10 
  - This is the danger  ProSense   Nov-28-10 08:36 PM   #11 
  - Oh, baloney on rye. Clinton still denies any blood was shed  EFerrari   Nov-28-10 08:39 PM   #15 
  - Baloney? The facts reported October 2009 are there.  ProSense   Nov-28-10 08:41 PM   #18 
     - Clinton's position on Honduras is well known.  Puregonzo1188   Nov-28-10 08:45 PM   #22 
     - You of course know that former Clinton PR flack and douchebag  EFerrari   Nov-28-10 08:48 PM   #24 
        - "Lonny Davis " Lanny Davis?  ProSense   Nov-28-10 08:50 PM   #27 
           - You're right. This Lanny Davis:  EFerrari   Nov-28-10 08:58 PM   #32 
              - They called it a coup, it's  ProSense   Nov-28-10 09:00 PM   #33 
                 - It was never officially declared a military coup. If it had, the U.S. would have been  Luminous Animal   Nov-28-10 09:12 PM   #44 
                 - When the SOA was contacted to see if their Honduran "students'  EFerrari   Nov-28-10 09:17 PM   #46 
                 - "If it had, the U.S. would have been compelled to take several actions in response. "  ProSense   Nov-28-10 09:18 PM   #47 
                    - Official condemnation of the military coup, cessation of aid,  Luminous Animal   Nov-28-10 09:31 PM   #50 
                       - There were no  ProSense   Nov-28-10 09:52 PM   #57 
                          - They suspended *some* military aid so people  EFerrari   Nov-28-10 09:55 PM   #59 
                          - Clinton's foundation funded the coupsters??  karynnj   Nov-29-10 04:08 PM   #120 
                          - Do you even read your linked articles? The cut-off aid should have been immediate.  Luminous Animal   Nov-28-10 09:58 PM   #61 
                             - "The cut-off aid should have been immediate."  ProSense   Nov-28-10 10:06 PM   #62 
                                - That's simply wrong. And the training was never stopped at all.  EFerrari   Nov-28-10 10:07 PM   #64 
                                - Deleted. Maybe more later.  Luminous Animal   Nov-28-10 10:08 PM   #65 
                 - Your post impeaches your premise, ...  CRH   Nov-29-10 01:03 PM   #106 
  - And how do we know their interpretations and conclusions aren't flawed?  originalpckelly   Nov-28-10 08:51 PM   #29 
  - Whose  ProSense   Nov-28-10 08:53 PM   #30 
     - Pretty lies. The US government did everything possible to keep Zelaya  EFerrari   Nov-28-10 09:01 PM   #34 
     - Get the facts  ProSense   Nov-28-10 09:09 PM   #40 
     - Right back at you. You get the facts.  EFerrari   Nov-28-10 09:12 PM   #43 
     - More facts  ProSense   Nov-28-10 09:14 PM   #45 
        - More faxes. In fact, when El Salvador and others helped Zelaya  EFerrari   Nov-28-10 09:29 PM   #49 
     - Facts never get in the way of Kerry/Obama bashing n/t  politicasista   Nov-29-10 03:36 PM   #113 
        - Sorry, Senator Kerry was not active when we began to know  EFerrari   Nov-29-10 03:38 PM   #114 
           - Ok  politicasista   Nov-29-10 03:51 PM   #115 
           - No harm, foul.  EFerrari   Nov-29-10 03:55 PM   #116 
           - What exactly could he have done - he did write on op-ed against the  karynnj   Nov-29-10 03:57 PM   #117 
              - Don't feel bad. I also contacted Boxer's office.  EFerrari   Nov-29-10 04:04 PM   #118 
                 - I wish that Kerry, and others like Boxer, would have been louder in their  karynnj   Nov-29-10 04:21 PM   #124 
                    - What I take from this is, if our most consistently democratic Senators  EFerrari   Nov-29-10 04:39 PM   #126 
     - The GOVERNMENT of any country has more power than even the  karynnj   Nov-29-10 04:12 PM   #122 
     - IF, and I mean IF it is true that we let them use our airbase to fly the guy out...  originalpckelly   Nov-28-10 09:02 PM   #35 
        - Here:  EFerrari   Nov-28-10 09:05 PM   #36 
        - Gee, I don't know, if you had some weird plane land at your base asking for fuel...  originalpckelly   Nov-28-10 09:08 PM   #39 
           - They didn't know that Zelaya was on that plane like they didn't know  EFerrari   Nov-28-10 09:10 PM   #42 
        - delete - dupe nt  hack89   Nov-28-10 09:45 PM   #52 
        - It was not "our airbase"  hack89   Nov-28-10 09:45 PM   #53 
        - 99 bottles of beer on the wall, 99 bottles of beer. n/t  EFerrari   Nov-28-10 09:47 PM   #55 
        - delete - dupe. nt  hack89   Nov-28-10 09:46 PM   #54 
  - Oh Poppycock.  Odin2005   Nov-29-10 12:03 AM   #83 
  - Kerry/Obama/Clinton/DeMint.  Nicolas   Nov-29-10 06:57 AM   #92 
     - Kerry rejected DeMint's demands and he was funded via a different committee  karynnj   Nov-29-10 02:47 PM   #108 
        - Kerry and the Tegucigolpe  Nicolas   Nov-29-10 04:44 PM   #127 
           - Thanks for your response - which made me google "Tegucigolpe"  karynnj   Nov-29-10 04:51 PM   #128 
              - Hi thanks, and excellent commondreams article on subject  Nicolas   Dec-01-10 12:31 PM   #135 
  - What a surprise.  Puregonzo1188   Nov-28-10 08:37 PM   #13 
  - Funny, the MSM articles on the latest leak  Capitalocracy   Nov-28-10 08:40 PM   #16 
  - I noticed that! It's like the Bush Administration wrote them.  Marr   Nov-28-10 08:46 PM   #23 
  - It was considerable but surprisingly unsuccessful, iirc.  EFerrari   Nov-28-10 09:08 PM   #37 
  - What does this mean about the current administration?  AngryAmish   Nov-28-10 08:43 PM   #21 
  - It means they are an American administration continuing our proud policy  EFerrari   Nov-28-10 08:50 PM   #28 
  - You know, these are known to people outside US for long time  kgnu_fan   Nov-28-10 09:08 PM   #38 
  - It's like an air conditioner. We're exporting our problems to the rest of the world...  originalpckelly   Nov-28-10 09:09 PM   #41 
     - Good analogy.  harun   Nov-29-10 02:47 PM   #109 
  - I was hoping we would learn something about this.  Radical Activist   Nov-28-10 09:23 PM   #48 
  - The truth is that the State Department is corrupt as hell.  EFerrari   Nov-28-10 09:36 PM   #51 
     - "And that we never cleaned out Iran/Contra."  ProSense   Nov-28-10 10:10 PM   #66 
     - They burrowed under Poppy, our new laureate  EFerrari   Nov-28-10 10:14 PM   #67 
     - Why don't you provide with your opinion? I think the answer is  sabrina 1   Nov-28-10 10:15 PM   #68 
     - We are seeing the approaching meltdown of US foreign policy because of a corrupted State Department.  seafan   Nov-28-10 10:46 PM   #69 
        - Memory is also resistance, maybe the most important kind.  EFerrari   Nov-28-10 11:00 PM   #70 
        - I really hope that this does not lead to a tea-bagger for a President.  glinda   Nov-29-10 12:30 AM   #86 
           - People are being tortured and killed in Honduras  EFerrari   Nov-29-10 12:39 AM   #87 
              - yup  glinda   Nov-29-10 10:01 AM   #97 
              - Well, I hope we don't either but it would be our Karmic reward  EFerrari   Nov-29-10 10:12 AM   #98 
              - Lovely, isn't it? It's OK if our government continues to terrorize LA as long as WE don't have...  laughingliberal   Nov-29-10 10:34 AM   #101 
  - Confirmation of what we knew. Thank you Julian Assange! Great post. Rec'd n/t  Catherina   Nov-28-10 10:07 PM   #63 
  - I made this comment on the wiki leaks affair, this afternoon  ooglymoogly   Nov-28-10 11:04 PM   #71 
  - You were right. It is sad but in another way  EFerrari   Nov-28-10 11:30 PM   #77 
  - Julian Assange is one of the greatest hero's of our time  ooglymoogly   Nov-28-10 11:18 PM   #75 
  - KR nt  ooglymoogly   Nov-28-10 11:22 PM   #76 
  - K & R nt  laughingliberal   Nov-28-10 11:43 PM   #79 
  - I am SOOOO surprised, NOT!  Odin2005   Nov-28-10 11:59 PM   #82 
  - i told this to people based on what the usa has done in just about every  reggie the dog   Nov-29-10 02:14 AM   #88 
  - There seem to be two stages to these events.  EFerrari   Nov-29-10 08:23 AM   #93 
     - What people? n/t  Catherina   Nov-29-10 11:37 AM   #103 
        - All the way down the food chain, from our government  EFerrari   Nov-29-10 12:33 PM   #105 
  - K&R  Solly Mack   Nov-29-10 03:07 AM   #90 
  - Very good analysis. Well said.  Major Hogwash   Nov-29-10 09:50 AM   #95 
  - ok, so how do we get Americans to actually READ the truth now that it is out there?  robinlynne   Nov-29-10 10:14 AM   #100 
  - K&R  JackRiddler   Nov-29-10 11:16 AM   #102 
  - Here's something interesting - Paraguay  BetsysGhost   Nov-29-10 11:50 AM   #104 
  - DUer rabs says a golpista paper in Honduras is reporting Zelaya  EFerrari   Nov-29-10 02:22 PM   #107 
  - I read the entire article and saw not one thing pointing to US involvement?  ieoeja   Nov-29-10 03:19 PM   #110 
  - On the other hand  EFerrari   Nov-29-10 03:29 PM   #112 
  - Kicked and recommended.  Uncle Joe   Nov-29-10 04:06 PM   #119 
  - how dare Wikileaks embarrass our government!  northernlights   Nov-29-10 04:11 PM   #121 
  - K&R  leftstreet   Nov-29-10 04:15 PM   #123 
  - no surprise there  G_j   Nov-29-10 04:31 PM   #125 
  - K&R  me b zola   Nov-29-10 05:15 PM   #129 
  - no one cares  MNBrewer   Nov-29-10 06:44 PM   #130 
  - K&R nt  maryf   Nov-29-10 08:13 PM   #133 
  - k&r  Swamp Rat   Nov-29-10 08:15 PM   #134 
 

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