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10. heh, I understand part of that thought.
Edited on Sun Nov-28-10 06:30 PM by RandomThoughts
If someone abuses you then don't return anger to them, but you can explain to them why it is wrong. And not perpetuate that system.

My first comment was cerebral about security state, and out of perspective media, but there is a visceral part also.

The point is "do onto others" also means standing up for those that do not have the knowledge or ability to object to what you also know is wrong. Many of those people excepting a security state do not know the concepts of courage required to be free, and without those concepts they can be treated even worse at some other point. It almost seems that they want to create a hostage feeling in citizens, where they have to submit to things.

Honestly I would not complain about being searched, nor much of anything else, LOL, but would not agree to it to fly on a plane, nor let someone say that is a valid requirement. But I will complain about anyone else being searched in those methods. And I will argue against it, and not be part of it, because nobody should have to submit to such things in what should be a free society.

It is more then security, more then even unjust search, it reaches psychological warfare tactics of use of humiliation and submission to condition people.

When they start kicking in doors to search for copies of the constitution, will you just go along with it?

You could make your same argument of do unto others to justify accepting any wrong done by anyone, you don't have to hate them, nor be upset at them, but you don't have to accept it either.

Or you can, it is your choice.
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  -The Visceral Response To The TSA GrpCaptMandrake  Nov-28-10 06:00 PM   #0 
  - I flew yesterday, and that fancy backscatter machine sat idle  wtmusic   Nov-28-10 06:13 PM   #1 
  - As well there should be.  GoneOffShore   Nov-28-10 06:19 PM   #6 
     - Agreed  GrpCaptMandrake   Nov-28-10 06:52 PM   #34 
        - Bruce Schneier has some thoughts on "real security"  GoneOffShore   Nov-29-10 09:00 PM   #97 
  - You know, if this happened when BUSH was prez....  Taverner   Nov-28-10 06:14 PM   #2 
  - Precisely  GrpCaptMandrake   Nov-28-10 06:15 PM   #3 
  - And the Apologists here would be screaming their heads off.  Odin2005   Nov-28-10 06:17 PM   #4 
  - Which I'm trying to avoid  GrpCaptMandrake   Nov-28-10 06:21 PM   #8 
  - What if the G-Men actually did their jobs in the first place?  Gravel Democrat   Nov-28-10 06:38 PM   #20 
  - From what you posted  GrpCaptMandrake   Nov-28-10 06:42 PM   #24 
  - So Granny gets groped because the G-men intentionally let a Muslim with  Gravel Democrat   Nov-28-10 06:48 PM   #30 
     - There's that word  GrpCaptMandrake   Nov-28-10 06:50 PM   #32 
        - you do realize that sexual assault doesn't have anything to do with sex?  TorchTheWitch   Nov-29-10 03:39 AM   #79 
        - It doesn't matter what the agents are experiencing. I don't much  sabrina 1   Nov-29-10 11:23 AM   #92 
  - Kurt Haskell just spent over an hour on the phone  Blue_In_AK   Dec-01-10 05:21 PM   #98 
  - Not too difficult  Xicano   Nov-28-10 07:14 PM   #51 
  - They were, because it did happen when Bush was president  sabrina 1   Nov-29-10 03:02 AM   #78 
  - I fear for our country when politics becomes all about personal loyalty.  Odin2005   Nov-29-10 07:18 AM   #84 
  - Seems Highly Speculative  ProfessorGAC   Nov-29-10 11:38 AM   #95 
  - "There are people out there who want to KILL you!"  treestar   Nov-29-10 10:12 AM   #90 
  - Calm down  Boudica the Lyoness   Nov-29-10 12:36 PM   #96 
  - there have been 0 teabag resistance  kowalski1   Nov-29-10 10:26 AM   #91 
  - Shorter Mandrake: "I guess it's necessary and appropriate"  jpgray   Nov-28-10 06:19 PM   #5 
  - I'm really not guessing  GrpCaptMandrake   Nov-28-10 06:25 PM   #12 
     - It's perfectly winnable. We're under attack, we need to do x to keep us safe  jpgray   Nov-28-10 06:31 PM   #16 
        - Who or what is "Cleon"? NT  Eric J in MN   Nov-28-10 07:27 PM   #55 
           - A demagogue at Athens during the Peloponnesian War  jpgray   Nov-28-10 07:31 PM   #56 
           - Here's Cleon  GrpCaptMandrake   Nov-28-10 07:44 PM   #59 
  - "when it's our daughter flying home from college"  Eric J in MN   Nov-28-10 06:20 PM   #7 
  - Depends  GrpCaptMandrake   Nov-28-10 06:37 PM   #19 
     - TSA guards are doing it as a job requirement & not for sexual gratification.  Eric J in MN   Nov-28-10 07:22 PM   #54 
  - It has nothing to do with being prudish.  Mojorabbit   Nov-28-10 06:21 PM   #9 
  - "Probed?"  GrpCaptMandrake   Nov-28-10 06:23 PM   #11 
  - I see that you  Mojorabbit   Nov-28-10 08:23 PM   #71 
     - Why do you define a simple query  GrpCaptMandrake   Nov-29-10 01:15 AM   #75 
  - They know that.  RandomThoughts   Nov-28-10 06:29 PM   #14 
  - How right you are.  Union Scribe   Nov-29-10 04:15 AM   #80 
  - heh, I understand part of that thought.  RandomThoughts   Nov-28-10 06:23 PM   #10 
  - I don't see the humiliation angle  GrpCaptMandrake   Nov-28-10 06:30 PM   #15 
     - What exactly would you personally find humiliating?  LisaL   Nov-28-10 06:36 PM   #18 
     - Not much  GrpCaptMandrake   Nov-28-10 06:39 PM   #21 
        - Figures.  LisaL   Nov-28-10 06:40 PM   #22 
        - I'm sorry  GrpCaptMandrake   Nov-28-10 06:43 PM   #26 
           - You aren't humiliated by much, and you are just fine  LisaL   Nov-28-10 06:53 PM   #36 
              - And there's the magic word!  GrpCaptMandrake   Nov-28-10 06:59 PM   #41 
                 - You have a problem with "feels?"  LisaL   Nov-28-10 07:03 PM   #43 
                    - It's not a "problem"  GrpCaptMandrake   Nov-28-10 07:11 PM   #48 
        - Wimp, sheep, whatever.  Mimosa   Nov-28-10 06:41 PM   #23 
           - OK, what then  GrpCaptMandrake   Nov-28-10 06:44 PM   #27 
     - You are indeed a pillar of strength in these times  jpgray   Nov-28-10 06:55 PM   #37 
     - Did I say that?  GrpCaptMandrake   Nov-28-10 07:04 PM   #44 
        - Of course! We just need a database of abused women and children. Like the no fly list!  jpgray   Nov-28-10 07:13 PM   #50 
        - I must be typing in Martian . . .  GrpCaptMandrake   Nov-28-10 07:33 PM   #57 
        - How hard could it be?  GliderGuider   Nov-29-10 07:46 AM   #87 
     - It is a natural tendency to have areas of personal space.  RandomThoughts   Nov-28-10 07:05 PM   #45 
        - "Or any other situation"  GrpCaptMandrake   Nov-28-10 07:47 PM   #60 
           - I do agree with that post.  RandomThoughts   Nov-28-10 07:54 PM   #64 
  - An earlier comment of mine on this  IDemo   Nov-28-10 06:27 PM   #13 
  - And don't suggest I've suggested you have been  GrpCaptMandrake   Nov-28-10 06:33 PM   #17 
     - You pretty plainly did exactly that:  IDemo   Nov-28-10 06:45 PM   #28 
        - No, you've imagined all you want to imagine  GrpCaptMandrake   Nov-28-10 06:56 PM   #38 
           - You know what? Nobody told that woman how she should feel.  LisaL   Nov-28-10 06:59 PM   #40 
           - And there it is again  GrpCaptMandrake   Nov-28-10 07:08 PM   #47 
           - Verbal mobius strip on that one  IDemo   Nov-28-10 07:06 PM   #46 
  - You wrote all that to say cut Obama slack and allow continued erosion of our rights  TheKentuckian   Nov-28-10 06:42 PM   #25 
  - +1  Individualist   Nov-28-10 06:47 PM   #29 
  - That word . . .  GrpCaptMandrake   Nov-28-10 06:57 PM   #39 
  - Are you calling me a "centrist?"  GrpCaptMandrake   Nov-28-10 06:49 PM   #31 
  - Do what is right, live our values, and tell the people the truth which is we have  TheKentuckian   Nov-28-10 07:03 PM   #42 
     - Heroic stuff!  GrpCaptMandrake   Nov-28-10 07:40 PM   #58 
        - More heroic stuff  highprincipleswork   Nov-28-10 08:13 PM   #68 
        - We sure got lots of that soaring, heroic rhetoric  GrpCaptMandrake   Nov-28-10 08:18 PM   #70 
        - American courts have a long tradition of aiding and abetting the police state.  TheKentuckian   Nov-28-10 09:33 PM   #72 
           - OK  GrpCaptMandrake   Nov-29-10 01:33 AM   #76 
              - I don't refuse at all. I've defined them both in other threads but not here, to be fair  TheKentuckian   Nov-29-10 02:36 AM   #77 
                 - Magnificent post. nt  woo me with science   Nov-29-10 07:12 AM   #82 
                 - Excellent. Well said!  Desertrose   Nov-29-10 11:29 AM   #93 
  - Excellent post.  Union Scribe   Nov-29-10 04:18 AM   #81 
  - I Don't Fly  Possumpoint   Nov-28-10 06:51 PM   #33 
  - That's one way to do it  GrpCaptMandrake   Nov-28-10 07:12 PM   #49 
  - Best guess.  RandomThoughts   Nov-28-10 06:52 PM   #35 
  - And we'll get a better sense  GrpCaptMandrake   Nov-28-10 07:14 PM   #52 
  - I agree with you 100%.  PeaceNikki   Nov-28-10 07:16 PM   #53 
  - BINGO!  GrpCaptMandrake   Nov-28-10 07:49 PM   #61 
  - If only all of us were like robots, with no emotions.  LisaL   Nov-28-10 07:51 PM   #62 
     - You may think that  GrpCaptMandrake   Nov-28-10 08:03 PM   #65 
  - +1000  uppityperson   Nov-29-10 12:44 AM   #74 
  - Fck Reason  highprincipleswork   Nov-28-10 07:52 PM   #63 
  - Agreed in part, disagreed in part  GrpCaptMandrake   Nov-28-10 08:14 PM   #69 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-28-10 08:04 PM   #66 
  - Living involves risk. We need to stop being wussies.  Stinky The Clown   Nov-28-10 08:07 PM   #67 
  - You're right!  GrpCaptMandrake   Nov-29-10 12:24 AM   #73 
  - I recommended this thread even though I disagree with you strongly,  woo me with science   Nov-29-10 07:15 AM   #83 
  - "What would we have him do?"  LWolf   Nov-29-10 07:22 AM   #85 
  - My response to "scope and grope" is not to fly. I have that luxury, others don't.  GliderGuider   Nov-29-10 07:36 AM   #86 
  - The number of people killed via terrah-ist bombs on U.S. aircraft 2001-2010 was ZERO.  benEzra   Nov-29-10 10:08 AM   #88 
  - +1000  Desertrose   Nov-29-10 11:32 AM   #94 
  - Common sense!  treestar   Nov-29-10 10:11 AM   #89 

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