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  -An Account of Security Screening at Ben-Gurion Airport MineralMan  Nov-26-10 11:22 AM   #0 
  - They got pat down too  treestar   Nov-26-10 11:29 AM   #1 
  - Strip searches, too. Of course a lot depends on your name  MineralMan   Nov-26-10 11:40 AM   #7 
     - Of course scanning and patting down 3 year olds  LisaL   Nov-26-10 11:41 AM   #10 
        - You wouldn't object to strip searches, then, at our airports?  MineralMan   Nov-26-10 11:51 AM   #17 
           - How in the world can anyone "get that" from reading my posts  LisaL   Nov-26-10 11:54 AM   #21 
           - Well, you seem to think the strip searches in Israel are OK.  MineralMan   Nov-26-10 11:55 AM   #23 
           - we have strip searches now with the backscatter machines...  ProdigalJunkMail   Nov-26-10 11:56 AM   #24 
              - Yup. But, you know, they're conducted in full view of the public,  MineralMan   Nov-26-10 12:01 PM   #28 
                 - WTF are you talking about?  LisaL   Nov-26-10 12:03 PM   #32 
                    - Please see the post to which I replied.  MineralMan   Nov-26-10 12:05 PM   #34 
  - Sounds thorough.  Common Sense Party   Nov-26-10 11:29 AM   #2 
  - It is thorough...even including strip searches.  MineralMan   Nov-26-10 11:40 AM   #8 
     - What's your point? I will as you as I have asked at least five  sabrina 1   Nov-26-10 07:39 PM   #94 
        - I think the point is that many of the DUers who point to Israel's methods  pnwmom   Nov-27-10 03:46 AM   #106 
  - hospitality in tourism  russ13   Nov-26-10 11:34 AM   #3 
  - Bing a smartass can be it's own reward. n/t  Ozymanithrax   Nov-26-10 11:36 AM   #4 
  - That's always true. Try it at our airports.  MineralMan   Nov-26-10 11:50 AM   #15 
  - Here's another account. Check it out:  MineralMan   Nov-26-10 11:38 AM   #5 
  - For having a friend with an Arabic-sounding surname.  treestar   Nov-26-10 02:24 PM   #58 
     - Yes. And imagine if you're the traveler and have an Arabic-sounding  MineralMan   Nov-26-10 07:32 PM   #93 
        - America is substantially less culturally homogenous  jberryhill   Nov-26-10 07:54 PM   #97 
           - Precisely. Every plane I have flown on in the past six years  MineralMan   Nov-26-10 08:04 PM   #99 
  - Is a radio wave body scanner really any worse than that nightmare? I don't think so.  leveymg   Nov-26-10 11:39 AM   #6 
  - Well, Israeli airport security is based in large part on  MineralMan   Nov-26-10 11:45 AM   #11 
  - It is so much better to treat everyone as a potential terrorist, isn't it?  LisaL   Nov-26-10 11:48 AM   #12 
  - You're absolutely right. We'll just switch to treating only those  MineralMan   Nov-26-10 11:50 AM   #14 
  - How many 3 year olds managed to blow up the planes?  LisaL   Nov-26-10 11:52 AM   #18 
     - None. Yet.  MineralMan   Nov-26-10 12:04 PM   #33 
     - Or elderly Alzheimer's patients in wheelchairs?  LibDemAlways   Nov-26-10 12:11 PM   #36 
     - Actually, elderly Alzheimer's patients would be a terrific  MineralMan   Nov-26-10 12:14 PM   #38 
     - You sound incredibly paranoid. Terrorists are everywhere! Be afraid!  LibDemAlways   Nov-26-10 12:20 PM   #40 
     - Nope. Not Paranoid. Terrorists can be anywhere.  MineralMan   Nov-26-10 12:29 PM   #41 
     - Are you going to be advocating for full cavity searches  LisaL   Nov-26-10 12:31 PM   #42 
        - Nope. That's my line in the sand, along with private room  MineralMan   Nov-26-10 12:36 PM   #43 
           - How does one boil a frog?  LisaL   Nov-26-10 12:43 PM   #46 
           - Whether you believe me or not is of no concern to me.  MineralMan   Nov-26-10 12:50 PM   #48 
           - No body was ever going to grope your junk just to get on a plane either.  RC   Nov-26-10 02:53 PM   #71 
           - Odds are that won't happen, you know. Odds are very high.  MineralMan   Nov-26-10 06:57 PM   #89 
           - WADRespect, it would be great if you could take a second and answer the question in post 94  Gravel Democrat   Nov-27-10 01:33 AM   #105 
     - I don't know if paranoid is a fair description...maybe you can think of a more appropriate word  CreekDog   Nov-26-10 03:46 PM   #79 
        - Definitely the kind of person who believes in blind obedience to  LibDemAlways   Nov-26-10 04:28 PM   #82 
     - before the new screening procedures, they ALREADY checked people in wheelchairs  CreekDog   Nov-26-10 03:43 PM   #78 
     - Our system has to treat everyone equally in these contexts  treestar   Nov-26-10 02:27 PM   #60 
        - Oh, so rather than violating the equal protection clause, the government  LibDemAlways   Nov-27-10 12:21 AM   #102 
     - Ummmmm you think Israel doesn't pat down and search the brown kids?  MattBaggins   Nov-26-10 12:42 PM   #45 
        - Oh, it's OK to search the brown kids, you see.  MineralMan   Nov-26-10 12:51 PM   #49 
           - It is *precisely* the theme here  jberryhill   Nov-26-10 02:08 PM   #56 
  - Can't have lilly white folk feeling put upon  MattBaggins   Nov-26-10 12:41 PM   #44 
  - Learn some 4th Amendment law  jberryhill   Nov-26-10 02:00 PM   #52 
  - I fail to see where in the fourth amendment it says that if  LisaL   Nov-26-10 02:29 PM   #61 
     - You would see if you looked into it  treestar   Nov-26-10 02:35 PM   #62 
     - I suggest you read your own link.  LisaL   Nov-26-10 02:39 PM   #64 
        - You have not gotten very far, I see.  treestar   Nov-26-10 02:42 PM   #66 
           - If you read it, you'd know that's from the last paragraph.  LisaL   Nov-26-10 02:43 PM   #67 
              - So you skipped to the last paragraph?  treestar   Nov-26-10 02:46 PM   #69 
                 - You must have stopped at the first.  LisaL   Nov-26-10 02:47 PM   #70 
                    - No, you've made no progress  treestar   Nov-26-10 03:09 PM   #73 
     - We have this thing called a Supreme Court, which interprets the Constitution  jberryhill   Nov-26-10 03:06 PM   #72 
  - Sociopathy and violent mental illness aren't restricted to specific  pnwmom   Nov-27-10 03:53 AM   #107 
  - As anyone going through US Customs has observed, profiling is exactly what happens  leveymg   Nov-26-10 11:52 AM   #19 
     - Yup. And they'd be extending that if they adopted the Israeli  MineralMan   Nov-26-10 11:56 AM   #26 
     - Departure controls are particularly intrusive.  leveymg   Nov-26-10 12:08 PM   #35 
        - But that's why it works for Israel. That's why they do it.  MineralMan   Nov-26-10 12:13 PM   #37 
     - Border crossing is an entirely different set of legal issues  jberryhill   Nov-26-10 02:06 PM   #55 
  - I suspect there are some people who have no problem with  MineralMan   Nov-26-10 12:17 PM   #39 
  - And what is so stupid about it is that the terrorist would mostly be  treestar   Nov-26-10 02:25 PM   #59 
  - Last I checked Israel didn't have the 4th Amendment.  LisaL   Nov-26-10 11:40 AM   #9 
  - No, it doesn't. So, how does that Israeli-style security screening  MineralMan   Nov-26-10 11:49 AM   #13 
     - At the very least profilng sounds smarter to me  LisaL   Nov-26-10 11:51 AM   #16 
        - I'll bet it does. I wonder if folks who don't look like  MineralMan   Nov-26-10 11:55 AM   #22 
        - Since you obviously don't think there is anything wrong  LisaL   Nov-26-10 11:56 AM   #25 
           - I'm objecting to Israel's practice of subjecting those who  MineralMan   Nov-26-10 11:59 AM   #27 
              - I fail to see why you should be objecting to anything Israel is doing.  LisaL   Nov-26-10 12:01 PM   #29 
              - Yes, you do fail to see that.  MineralMan   Nov-26-10 12:03 PM   #31 
              - He has every right to criticize Israel's system.  MattBaggins   Nov-26-10 12:47 PM   #47 
                 - Actually, it seems like there's very little discussion going on in  MineralMan   Nov-26-10 12:54 PM   #50 
              - but you don't object to forced xrays that one cannot opt out of  CreekDog   Nov-26-10 03:58 PM   #81 
                 - Uh, you can most certainly opt out of those x-ray scanners.  MineralMan   Nov-26-10 06:55 PM   #87 
                    - why do you keep acting like i don't want ANY inspection?  CreekDog   Nov-26-10 07:42 PM   #95 
                       - You have a very special situation.  MineralMan   Nov-26-10 07:52 PM   #96 
        - Sure, just throw out the entire Constitution if you want  jberryhill   Nov-26-10 02:05 PM   #54 
        - And you think pat downs and scanners aren't going to be used  LisaL   Nov-26-10 02:19 PM   #57 
           - You seem not to understand the basic legal framework  jberryhill   Nov-26-10 02:36 PM   #63 
              - what are our rights to avoid having our bodies x-rayed? constitutionally speaking of course?  CreekDog   Nov-26-10 03:56 PM   #80 
              - Until there is a relevant administrative decision or court ruling  jberryhill   Nov-26-10 06:27 PM   #85 
                 - this means that they can force people to walk through the x-ray scanners  CreekDog   Nov-26-10 06:35 PM   #86 
                    - "Until there is a relevant administrative decision or court ruling"  jberryhill   Nov-26-10 06:56 PM   #88 
              - Accepting the great and toxic overreach that is Terry is step one  TheKentuckian   Nov-26-10 04:37 PM   #83 
                 - Administrative search is not based on Terry  jberryhill   Nov-26-10 06:08 PM   #84 
                    - i said that metal detectors may be considered passive and that xrays bust the envelope  TheKentuckian   Nov-26-10 07:22 PM   #92 
                       - I suspect we'll be finding out the answer to that before long.  MineralMan   Nov-26-10 07:58 PM   #98 
                       - Metal detectors are not passive  jberryhill   Nov-26-10 08:08 PM   #100 
                          - Dude, I'm not arguing for or supportive of metal detectors only that I could see an argument that  TheKentuckian   Nov-27-10 08:25 AM   #109 
        - It's easy to be for profiling if you assume that you won't end up  pnwmom   Nov-27-10 03:55 AM   #108 
  - Why do we have 17 intelligence agencies? n/t  leftstreet   Nov-26-10 11:53 AM   #20 
  - That's an excellent question. I cannot answer it.  MineralMan   Nov-26-10 12:02 PM   #30 
  - My Cousin Went Through Screening Late Last Week  KharmaTrain   Nov-26-10 01:07 PM   #51 
  - Yes  jberryhill   Nov-26-10 02:40 PM   #65 
  - Yes! Detain people for what books are in their bags  jberryhill   Nov-26-10 02:02 PM   #53 
  - Israel never liked tourism. They feel its more of a bother.  Taverner   Nov-26-10 02:45 PM   #68 
  - WTF?  PCIntern   Nov-26-10 03:14 PM   #74 
     - Don't get me wrong - tourism is a BIG part of their economy  Taverner   Nov-26-10 03:23 PM   #76 
  - Resounding NO to the Absolutely horrible idea to "Israelize" American airports.  inna   Nov-26-10 03:16 PM   #75 
  - We agree. That's uncommon. People simply don't understand  MineralMan   Nov-26-10 07:04 PM   #90 
  - When you go through Israeli airport security once,  bluestate10   Nov-26-10 08:19 PM   #101 
  - Some people think  athena   Nov-27-10 01:00 AM   #103 
     - US v. Marquez agrees with you  jberryhill   Nov-27-10 01:03 AM   #104 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-26-10 03:25 PM   #77 
     - This discussion is about how the Israelis conduct there  MineralMan   Nov-26-10 07:06 PM   #91 
 

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