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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #35
41. Finally got a chance to read their response to Greenwald.
They start out by being pretty arrogant:

Normally both of us, no strangers to controversy, view attacks on our articles like todays by Glenn Greenwalds as a badge of honor. But were frankly puzzledand disappointed, if thats the right wordthat the source of this attack is Glenn Greenwald, whom weve followed fairly regularly over the past couple of years and whom we both respect.

A badge of honor to be exposed as having smeared an innocent citizen? I really thought that The Nation had far higher standards than that.

Having read their article, it is clear that they either do not know that this has always been a Left issue, or that they did but are so intent on defending this administration's flip flop on Civil Rights, they chose to ignore it.

Mostly what strikes me is the similarity of THEIR article to all the other 'liberal bloggers' who used the same reasons to distract from the main issue, the attack on our civil rights.

What they are missing, either unwittingly or willfully, I can't say, is that it DOES NOT MATTER who else supports or doesn't support these machines, or what their motives are. What matters is that the Left had successfully managed to stop them from being brought into our airports, through court battles etc for five years and now they are there, and we have a Democratic administration supporting them. Iow, Democrats succeeded where Bush failed. And our president, the one we elected, is friends with the CEO of Rapiscan, manufacturer of the machines who have become extremely wealthy as a result of the purchase by Janet Napolitano of these machines out of the Stimulus money.

And they have distracted from the main issues, so congrats to them on that I guess. I'm sure corporate America is more than pleased with their focus on the non-issue of the right now supporting something they have opposed for so long.

But we do not abandon important issues and flip flop when our party wins. At least some of us don't. I will have to think about that in terms of where this party stands on any of the issues they used to believe in.
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  -Jeremy Scahill:"The article my magazine, The Nation, published about John Tyner is a shameful smear" sabrina 1  Nov-26-10 02:06 AM   #0 
  - great post, k&r.  krabigirl   Nov-26-10 02:28 AM   #1 
  - I have known The Nation was compromised for years  molly77   Nov-26-10 01:51 PM   #43 
     - Can't disagree with you. They are not independent journalists  sabrina 1   Nov-26-10 07:11 PM   #55 
  - Reporters crave access to folks in power more than just about anything. If the Nation thinks  McCamy Taylor   Nov-26-10 03:41 AM   #2 
  - Yes, I think many 'journalists' will do anything to gain access and  sabrina 1   Nov-26-10 06:31 AM   #7 
  - K&R  Richard Steele   Nov-26-10 04:09 AM   #3 
  - K&R Awesome debunking, Sabrina! I've got one question, though....  Turborama   Nov-26-10 04:48 AM   #4 
  - Hey, Turborama ~  sabrina 1   Nov-26-10 05:15 AM   #6 
     - Hiya, thanks for the reminder. That really makes sense, in more ways than one these days.  Turborama   Nov-26-10 09:12 AM   #19 
        - Lol, well I do that also. But don't stop!  sabrina 1   Nov-26-10 01:03 PM   #40 
  - schop en recommanderen  Gravel Democrat   Nov-26-10 05:12 AM   #5 
  - K & R n/t  malaise   Nov-26-10 06:36 AM   #8 
  - I used to love The Nation.  EFerrari   Nov-26-10 07:00 AM   #9 
  - I think so too.  avaistheone1   Nov-26-10 10:07 AM   #22 
  - Sure seems like shameful gate keeping doesn't it?  pauldp   Nov-26-10 02:57 PM   #45 
  - David Corn effectively shut down any discussion of the Ohio 2004 vote  EFerrari   Nov-26-10 07:16 PM   #57 
     - Same thing happened with Moveon, Daily Kos and a few other  sabrina 1   Nov-26-10 07:43 PM   #60 
        - That's a good question.  EFerrari   Nov-26-10 07:52 PM   #61 
           - Yes, I know, that was when I first discovered DU and used to read  sabrina 1   Nov-26-10 08:05 PM   #62 
  - Let the Nation go the way of ACORN  RufusTFirefly   Nov-26-10 09:49 PM   #66 
  - What comparison are you making? ACORN was targeted by wingnuts.  EFerrari   Nov-26-10 09:53 PM   #67 
     - EF, I admire almost all your posts, but...  RufusTFirefly   Nov-26-10 09:56 PM   #68 
        - I wouldn't want to be responsible for such a directive.  EFerrari   Nov-26-10 10:10 PM   #69 
           - Actually, I don't disagree with that take  RufusTFirefly   Nov-26-10 10:16 PM   #71 
              - Agreed. It's hard not to participate in our national PTSD,  EFerrari   Nov-26-10 10:23 PM   #73 
  - Actually, that's exactly my take on the Nation.  RufusTFirefly   Nov-26-10 10:19 PM   #72 
     - There are a bunch of brilliant people writing but if you ask me  EFerrari   Nov-26-10 10:49 PM   #74 
  - That article was slimey, McCarthyite crap  Bluenorthwest   Nov-26-10 07:13 AM   #10 
  - I am hoping that this incident and the reaction to it from across  sabrina 1   Nov-27-10 12:46 AM   #77 
  - Not only a lousy political smear..  sendero   Nov-26-10 07:24 AM   #11 
  - Actually,  chervilant   Nov-26-10 09:43 AM   #21 
  - 'on the wrong side of the issue as well'. Exactly  sabrina 1   Nov-26-10 02:17 PM   #44 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-26-10 07:31 AM   #12 
  - It seems to me that the Tea-baggers have been successful at  fasttense   Nov-26-10 07:37 AM   #13 
  - Good point about using the fake grass-roots movement to discredit  sabrina 1   Nov-26-10 07:43 AM   #14 
     - Great work sabrina1.  avaistheone1   Nov-26-10 10:09 AM   #23 
     - +++  DemReadingDU   Nov-26-10 10:11 AM   #24 
  - one of the only handful of times I've rec'd a thread  TorchTheWitch   Nov-26-10 08:42 AM   #15 
  - Thank you, I appreciate that! n/t  sabrina 1   Nov-26-10 11:06 AM   #31 
  - I read Tyner's blog posts going back several months, and decided not  leveymg   Nov-26-10 08:49 AM   #16 
  - K&R I thought it was a hit piece too.  Tatiana   Nov-26-10 08:58 AM   #17 
  - Hats Off to Scahill  NashVegas   Nov-26-10 09:05 AM   #18 
  - K & R and thanks for posting this.  chill_wind   Nov-26-10 09:36 AM   #20 
  - Yes. As is the attempt to defend TSA policy by associating opposition with the Koch brothers.  JackRiddler   Nov-26-10 10:14 AM   #25 
  - So, do ya'll see how it works?  Gold Metal Flake   Nov-26-10 10:17 AM   #26 
  - f 'n a -- k 'n r  nashville_brook   Nov-26-10 10:19 AM   #27 
  - HUGE K & R !!!  WillyT   Nov-26-10 10:23 AM   #28 
  - Even excellent liberal magazines make mistakes, but it's hard to imagine  bertman   Nov-26-10 10:49 AM   #29 
  - Yes, but what is striking about the article is that  sabrina 1   Nov-26-10 10:57 AM   #30 
     - National publications such as magazines and newspapers are usually  bertman   Nov-26-10 11:10 AM   #32 
        - Nearly every article I've read supporting the use, even if  sabrina 1   Nov-26-10 11:35 AM   #34 
  - K&R! -nt  Poboy   Nov-26-10 11:33 AM   #33 
  - The two Nation article writers respond to Greenwald. I don't see a response to Scahill yet.  madfloridian   Nov-26-10 11:40 AM   #35 
  - Thanks, they will have to respond to many people.  sabrina 1   Nov-26-10 11:47 AM   #36 
  - Finally got a chance to read their response to Greenwald.  sabrina 1   Nov-26-10 01:16 PM   #41 
     - I think the term you want is "half-wittedly".  EFerrari   Nov-26-10 07:05 PM   #54 
  - Everyone kick-a-lot!  JackRiddler   Nov-26-10 11:48 AM   #37 
  - Hell yeah!...................k/r  pauldp   Nov-26-10 12:08 PM   #38 
  - K&R (n/t)  ProudDad   Nov-26-10 12:45 PM   #39 
  - Can't recommend this highly enough  somone   Nov-26-10 01:22 PM   #42 
  - This is important. K&R. nt  woo me with science   Nov-26-10 03:02 PM   #46 
  - Well said...Do supporters of the TSA's "security" tactics think it only involves air travel?  GoddessOfGuinness   Nov-26-10 04:55 PM   #47 
  - These measures will never guarantee our safety, because well... they are not designed for it.  liberation   Nov-26-10 05:07 PM   #48 
     - The well-being of the common American is clearly  GoddessOfGuinness   Nov-26-10 05:52 PM   #49 
  - K&R Wow, what an article.  Mimosa   Nov-26-10 06:39 PM   #50 
  - Where does it say he stands up for gay rights?  veganlush   Nov-26-10 06:41 PM   #51 
  - Read more carefully.  Mimosa   Nov-26-10 06:44 PM   #52 
  - right. i read that.  veganlush   Nov-26-10 10:52 PM   #76 
  - See Mimosa's post below. He mentioned list of things the government  sabrina 1   Nov-26-10 07:15 PM   #56 
  - Fuckity-fuck, politics has become "sports team" BS. Policy be damned.  Odin2005   Nov-26-10 07:03 PM   #53 
  - Been that way here forever  TorchTheWitch   Nov-26-10 08:29 PM   #64 
  - k&r  defendandprotect   Nov-26-10 07:18 PM   #58 
  - Learning everytime I come here  kgnu_fan   Nov-26-10 07:27 PM   #59 
  - A big K&R.  20score   Nov-26-10 08:28 PM   #63 
  - I stopped by subscription 5 or 6 yrs ago  Duppers   Nov-26-10 08:31 PM   #65 
  - How very, very sad.....The Nation was, at one time, one of the more reliable sources...  BrklynLiberal   Nov-26-10 10:10 PM   #70 
  - Happy to be the 100th rec  Oilwellian   Nov-26-10 10:52 PM   #75 
  - Not kicked enough  Gold Metal Flake   Nov-27-10 10:14 AM   #78 
  - A Question . . .  GrpCaptMandrake   Nov-28-10 07:59 PM   #79 
     - Good question. The 4th amendment is the most obvious  sabrina 1   Nov-29-10 02:13 AM   #80 

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