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Tue Nov-23-10 08:30 PM
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| 18. Read the 4th amendment and knock off this flamebait |
| -The right to fly..... |
monktonman |
Nov-23-10 08:15 PM |
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this is not a good argument |
Skittles |
Nov-23-10 08:16 PM |
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how so? |
monktonman |
Nov-23-10 08:19 PM |
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You can simply do without many things. |
LisaL |
Nov-23-10 08:21 PM |
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*sigh* |
Skittles |
Nov-23-10 08:36 PM |
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Totally agree. |
truedelphi |
Nov-23-10 10:42 PM |
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Free travel is a right, |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-23-10 08:17 PM |
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free travel IS a right |
monktonman |
Nov-23-10 08:20 PM |
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Nov-23-10 08:21 PM |
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Federal tax dollars support /sustain air flight.... argument FAIL! |
hlthe2b |
Nov-23-10 08:19 PM |
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So the feds are forcing you to fly??? |
monktonman |
Nov-23-10 08:22 PM |
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I have a right to fly and I have a right to expect my constitutional |
hlthe2b |
Nov-23-10 08:24 PM |
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you have the right to agree to be searched |
monktonman |
Nov-23-10 08:28 PM |
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Read the 4th amendment and knock off this flamebait |
hlthe2b |
Nov-23-10 08:30 PM |
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It is in my sig |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-23-10 08:31 PM |
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You could say it 5 times, but you would be wrong 5 times. |
BzaDem |
Nov-23-10 08:33 PM |
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We all have the right to fly. I am not saying we can refuse all |
hlthe2b |
Nov-23-10 08:35 PM |
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you have the right TO WALK |
monktonman |
Nov-23-10 08:38 PM |
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Say it all you want... doesn't make it right. |
hlthe2b |
Nov-23-10 08:40 PM |
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It happens to be right REGARDLESS of who says what. n/t |
BzaDem |
Nov-23-10 08:41 PM |
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Again, if you asserted such a right in any court, you would be laughed out of court. n/t |
BzaDem |
Nov-23-10 08:40 PM |
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Using that logic, you don't have a right to drive either. |
LisaL |
Nov-23-10 08:48 PM |
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you DONT have the right to drive... |
monktonman |
Nov-23-10 08:50 PM |
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you DONT have the right to drive... |
monktonman |
Nov-23-10 08:51 PM |
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Nah that is the argument of the RIGHT WING |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-23-10 08:25 PM |
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you could always say ....NO |
monktonman |
Nov-23-10 08:29 PM |
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Knowing a tad about security |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-23-10 08:30 PM |
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Nov-23-10 08:34 PM |
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Blah... |
demmiblue |
Nov-23-10 08:22 PM |
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OBEY! |
sarcasmo |
Nov-23-10 08:22 PM |
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Could you explain what good the "pat down" procedures do? |
LibDemAlways |
Nov-23-10 08:27 PM |
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I don't think the OP is claiming that the policy is a good thing |
BzaDem |
Nov-23-10 08:35 PM |
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I asked a question. I assume since the OP thinks I have no right to fly |
LibDemAlways |
Nov-23-10 08:43 PM |
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Why do you assume he thinks "pat downs" enahnce safety? |
BzaDem |
Nov-23-10 08:45 PM |
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I have no intention of going to court to prove my right to buy an |
LibDemAlways |
Nov-23-10 08:50 PM |
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If you wanted to exercise such a right and were denied doing so, your only option would be to go to |
BzaDem |
Nov-23-10 08:54 PM |
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the pat downs suck... |
monktonman |
Nov-23-10 08:56 PM |
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When your kids get molested by TSA agents, let's see if you still say that |
derby378 |
Nov-23-10 08:29 PM |
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AIRLINES ARE PRIVATE ENTERPRISES |
monktonman |
Nov-23-10 08:35 PM |
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Nov-23-10 08:38 PM |
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Nov-23-10 08:53 PM |
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you are describing yourself |
Skittles |
Nov-23-10 08:55 PM |
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Oh... good comeback |
monktonman |
Nov-23-10 09:00 PM |
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there is "free enterprise" |
Skittles |
Nov-23-10 09:02 PM |
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No I don't believe in free enterprise (Capitalism) - it sucks and we need a new system. nt |
TBF |
Nov-24-10 05:47 PM |
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It's not airlines who is providing the security, it's TSA. |
LisaL |
Nov-23-10 08:38 PM |
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Exactly |
derby378 |
Nov-24-10 05:46 PM |
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yada yada yada. why od you have the right to walk down the street. if cops want to grope you |
seabeyond |
Nov-23-10 08:37 PM |
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Since US Code said so. If you need the proof, let me know |
sabrina 1 |
Nov-23-10 08:37 PM |
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The OP should read: U.S. v. Guest, 383 U.S. 745 (1966) and Shapiro v. Thompson, 394 U.S. 618 (1969) |
Swamp Rat |
Nov-23-10 08:46 PM |
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Of course, neither of these cases even claims to assert a right to travel by plane. |
BzaDem |
Nov-23-10 08:47 PM |
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Doesn't have to. eom |
Swamp Rat |
Nov-23-10 08:50 PM |
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The fact that it doesn't implies you have no right to travel by plane. If you asserted such a right |
BzaDem |
Nov-23-10 08:50 PM |
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That is, at best, a straw man argument. |
Swamp Rat |
Nov-23-10 08:53 PM |
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Actually, it is true. If you think otherwise, go try it. Try convincing a court to buy your bullshit |
BzaDem |
Nov-23-10 08:55 PM |
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They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, |
Swamp Rat |
Nov-23-10 08:56 PM |
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You act like you have a choice in the matter. You don't. |
BzaDem |
Nov-23-10 08:57 PM |
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Thank you, Swamp Rat. I don't know why people are so willing to accept |
sabrina 1 |
Nov-24-10 12:44 AM |
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You can't really use the US Code here, since the US Code also gives the TSA the right eject you from |
BzaDem |
Nov-23-10 08:46 PM |
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See post #47 |
Swamp Rat |
Nov-23-10 08:47 PM |
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Post 47 is my post refuting your citation of two cases |
BzaDem |
Nov-23-10 08:49 PM |
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Doesn't have to. eom |
Swamp Rat |
Nov-23-10 08:50 PM |
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Right -- it doesn't have to. You have absolutely no right to travel anywhere via plane. |
BzaDem |
Nov-23-10 08:52 PM |
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I do not think any further discussion will be productive. eom |
Swamp Rat |
Nov-23-10 08:54 PM |
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This is true -- after one's point is as thoroughly debunked as your point was, there isn't much left |
BzaDem |
Nov-23-10 08:56 PM |
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They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, |
Swamp Rat |
Nov-23-10 08:40 PM |
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bugger that shite |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Nov-23-10 08:43 PM |
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When did the use of the air belong exclusively to the government? |
customerserviceguy |
Nov-23-10 08:45 PM |
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The government obviously has power to regulate air travel, just as it has power to regulate numerous |
BzaDem |
Nov-23-10 08:53 PM |
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And what? |
LisaL |
Nov-23-10 08:56 PM |
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The government |
customerserviceguy |
Nov-23-10 08:58 PM |
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Actually, they don't, because you have no Constitutional right to fly. |
BzaDem |
Nov-23-10 08:59 PM |
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If you got to the airport, could they deny you a right to speak? |
LisaL |
Nov-23-10 09:01 PM |
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There is actually a significant amount of jurisprudence on public forum/private forum, |
BzaDem |
Nov-23-10 09:03 PM |
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You have the inherent right to freedom of movement |
customerserviceguy |
Nov-23-10 09:09 PM |
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Just because you are free to travel doesn't mean you can travel on whatever means you want. |
BzaDem |
Nov-23-10 09:16 PM |
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I guess I differ with you |
customerserviceguy |
Nov-23-10 09:25 PM |
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It has nothing to do with what you or I believe -- this is about the law as it exists. n/t |
BzaDem |
Nov-23-10 10:44 PM |
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Lame. |
HuckleB |
Nov-23-10 08:47 PM |
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Extremely. |
customerserviceguy |
Nov-23-10 08:58 PM |
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Our right are not limited to the enumerated ones. |
TheKentuckian |
Nov-23-10 09:03 PM |
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The OP is talking about rights in terms of court-enforcable rights, not in terms of philosophy. n/t |
BzaDem |
Nov-23-10 09:05 PM |
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If God had wanted us to fly |
thelordofhell |
Nov-23-10 09:10 PM |
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Baaaaaaaaa! |
Individualist |
Nov-23-10 09:27 PM |
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Locking |
Heddi |
Nov-24-10 08:06 PM |
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