| 162. The rights of the collective |
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everyone's needs are taken care of...
the universal declaration of human rights is not compatible with capitalism, too much profit loss.
Especially consider Article 25:
1. Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
2. Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.
Considering the above, do you still think folks are free?? If their survival needs aren't even being met, how can they enjoy other rights? they are struggling just to survive...
When people are considered commodities and consumers and their labor is considered profit loss, very few people are free from wage slavery...
|
| -Our country has been stolen from us. Our lives have been stolen from us. |
Cyrano |
Nov-23-10 09:50 AM |
#0 |
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Ban the GOP...Duh!!! |
BanTheGOP |
Nov-23-10 09:54 AM |
#1 |
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I'm sorry, but the Dems were there, too |
ixion |
Nov-23-10 09:57 AM |
#2 |
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Think about what you just wrote. The Dems support capitalism, militarism, and elitism |
Catherina |
Nov-23-10 10:13 AM |
#14 |
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Note I said "republicanist"...not "republican" |
BanTheGOP |
Nov-23-10 10:24 AM |
#23 |
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Yes. The "..ist" broadens the meaning to suggest a system of |
ladjf |
Nov-23-10 10:54 AM |
#30 |
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You may ban the Republican Party but the members would simply |
kelly1mm |
Nov-23-10 02:00 PM |
#45 |
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Elaboration is frankly unnecessary, but here goes... |
BanTheGOP |
Nov-23-10 02:08 PM |
#46 |
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Thanks for that. My question was what would you do with the conservative |
kelly1mm |
Nov-23-10 02:14 PM |
#48 |
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Simple... |
Glassunion |
Nov-23-10 05:49 PM |
#77 |
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Since the Party relies on flawed legal premises in the first place |
BanTheGOP |
Nov-23-10 08:28 PM |
#97 |
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But what if the majority of voters do not want a progressive democracy? |
kelly1mm |
Nov-23-10 10:46 PM |
#130 |
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You are correct. Someone did come up with a very appropriate |
Cal33 |
Nov-24-10 07:47 AM |
#159 |
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Sounds good, but I'm afriad this is totally unworkable |
lark |
Nov-24-10 01:41 PM |
#177 |
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The DLC would welcome the ex-GOP candidates with open arms. |
NorthCarolina |
Nov-24-10 08:55 AM |
#169 |
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Touche. You did. But do you think the Democrats serve moneyed interests any less? |
Catherina |
Nov-23-10 03:39 PM |
#55 |
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Exactly.... |
sendero |
Nov-23-10 07:00 PM |
#85 |
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one party going by two names. nt |
awoke_in_2003 |
Nov-23-10 07:13 PM |
#88 |
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Yes. It is becoming painfully apparent. |
Quantess |
Nov-23-10 10:10 PM |
#124 |
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Hardly matters as long as Capitalism is in place. |
blindpig |
Nov-23-10 04:04 PM |
#59 |
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375 thousand people making more than a million/yr in US and 44% are in congress. |
bjobotts |
Nov-23-10 05:20 PM |
#71 |
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Exactly ... do we expect this millionaire/multi-millionaire Congress to change anything-? |
defendandprotect |
Nov-23-10 08:33 PM |
#99 |
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They would have us wallow in despair, but.... |
blindpig |
Nov-24-10 07:02 AM |
#153 |
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The urgency to protect our natural resources |
maryf |
Nov-24-10 08:50 AM |
#168 |
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I would make a distinction. It isn't capitalism. |
Joe Fields |
Nov-23-10 08:00 PM |
#94 |
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Capitalism is doing what it is intended to do .... move wealth of nations and natural resources... |
defendandprotect |
Nov-23-10 08:37 PM |
#100 |
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it looks to me like you are disagreeing to agree. |
Joe Fields |
Nov-23-10 08:46 PM |
#102 |
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If we have time, I'm sure we'll work it out --- but disagree with you .... |
defendandprotect |
Nov-23-10 09:29 PM |
#118 |
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firstly, capitalism.org's self serving definition |
tiny elvis |
Nov-24-10 08:06 AM |
#160 |
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I would profoundly disagree. |
blindpig |
Nov-24-10 07:32 AM |
#157 |
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1000% .... |
defendandprotect |
Nov-23-10 08:31 PM |
#98 |
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Capitalism is the problem...? No, people gaming the system is the problem. |
Creative |
Nov-23-10 05:19 PM |
#70 |
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The collective (aka the species) SHOULD have more rights than any individual. |
kestrel91316 |
Nov-23-10 07:50 PM |
#93 |
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Good point - and if the SPECIES has more rights, those rights extend to far more individuals |
Raksha |
Nov-24-10 03:30 AM |
#143 |
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such as what? |
MNBrewer |
Nov-24-10 07:31 AM |
#156 |
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I say "rights" - you say "forced procreation". Your response is truly |
kestrel91316 |
Nov-24-10 11:43 AM |
#174 |
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No, you do not gain more rights by being the member of a collective. |
Creative |
Nov-25-10 07:12 AM |
#187 |
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Capitalism is the very opposite of democracy and freedom -- |
defendandprotect |
Nov-23-10 08:40 PM |
#101 |
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says you.... |
Joe Fields |
Nov-23-10 08:50 PM |
#106 |
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The natural state of capitalism is NOT its regulated state .... |
defendandprotect |
Nov-23-10 09:33 PM |
#120 |
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Wasn't trying to be mean spirited. We are just at odds with definitions. |
Joe Fields |
Nov-23-10 11:33 PM |
#135 |
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Agree with you it is definition --- |
defendandprotect |
Nov-24-10 07:34 AM |
#158 |
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The most advanced civilizations in the world are those that embrace capitalism. |
Creative |
Nov-25-10 07:14 AM |
#188 |
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The rights of the collective |
maryf |
Nov-24-10 08:35 AM |
#162 |
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Freedom, in the US, is recognized by the Constitution, not "the universal declaration |
Creative |
Nov-25-10 07:10 AM |
#186 |
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We are doomed under Capitalism |
txlibdem |
Nov-24-10 01:17 AM |
#140 |
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Both parties are bought and paid for by Corporations. This is Corporate controlled America. |
sarcasmo |
Nov-23-10 01:39 PM |
#43 |
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Obama showed us his corporate hand immediately after the election .... |
defendandprotect |
Nov-23-10 08:48 PM |
#103 |
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Sorry to tell ya but the DINOS in office are worse than the rethugs. |
earth mom |
Nov-23-10 03:08 PM |
#51 |
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Yeah but that is only a handful compared to the entire repub party |
bjobotts |
Nov-23-10 05:42 PM |
#74 |
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The "Money Party" is composed of all repubs and a handul of dems.It's ideology prevention |
bjobotts |
Nov-23-10 05:44 PM |
#75 |
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Got Prozac™? Paxil™? If so, then you need to add Abilify™. |
Billy Burnett |
Nov-23-10 09:58 AM |
#3 |
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"Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill"? |
TK421 |
Nov-23-10 10:15 AM |
#15 |
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Because you've been down that road |
moblsv |
Nov-23-10 04:49 PM |
#65 |
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Sad thing is, I like that road....they had some great noodles n/t |
TK421 |
Nov-23-10 06:38 PM |
#81 |
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But What happens when you need to... |
jonthebru |
Nov-23-10 10:57 AM |
#31 |
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Read Yes! Magazine and similar publications.... |
OneGrassRoot |
Nov-23-10 09:58 AM |
#4 |
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Wow, thank you for the Yes! magazine recommendation, OneGrassRoot. |
Raksha |
Nov-24-10 03:59 AM |
#144 |
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Yay! |
OneGrassRoot |
Nov-24-10 08:37 AM |
#164 |
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Though the oligarchs have overplayed their hand on the environmental front... |
villager |
Nov-23-10 10:00 AM |
#5 |
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You wanna make a bet? |
swilton |
Nov-23-10 03:48 PM |
#57 |
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Sure -- and privatized security, etc. But their arrogance is that they literally think they live on |
villager |
Nov-23-10 05:51 PM |
#78 |
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For years now, the Mall at Short Hills here in NJ, features collections of IRON GATES..... |
defendandprotect |
Nov-23-10 08:50 PM |
#105 |
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Agree with you ... but think it will be Global Warming which will play the final cards .... |
defendandprotect |
Nov-23-10 08:57 PM |
#108 |
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I have the formula. The keys to mass prosperity. |
The Doctor. |
Nov-23-10 10:01 AM |
#6 |
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interesting post -- would love to hear more. |
Tuesday Afternoon |
Nov-23-10 10:05 AM |
#8 |
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Grape Kool Aid? |
Billy Burnett |
Nov-23-10 10:05 AM |
#9 |
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Hahaha |
Klukie |
Nov-23-10 10:07 AM |
#11 |
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Why in the world |
BonnieJW |
Nov-23-10 10:07 AM |
#10 |
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Weird, eh? |
SammyWinstonJack |
Nov-23-10 10:16 AM |
# |
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Good question. The short answer? |
The Doctor. |
Nov-23-10 10:16 AM |
#17 |
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And truly finding the right people is a challenge... |
OneGrassRoot |
Nov-23-10 10:19 AM |
#20 |
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You have no idea. |
The Doctor. |
Nov-23-10 10:30 AM |
#27 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-23-10 12:48 PM |
#39 |
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... |
The Doctor. |
Nov-23-10 02:22 PM |
#49 |
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Try Michael Moore - - Ralph Nader - - Soros -- |
defendandprotect |
Nov-23-10 09:02 PM |
#109 |
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No, they don't give a shit at all |
info being |
Nov-24-10 04:06 AM |
#146 |
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I've emailed Michael Moore... no response. |
The Doctor. |
Nov-25-10 07:06 AM |
#184 |
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does it involve the TARDIS? |
yodermon |
Nov-23-10 04:05 PM |
#60 |
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Hehehe... it's in the shop. |
The Doctor. |
Nov-25-10 07:08 AM |
#185 |
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The Formula |
bbigrob |
Nov-23-10 05:11 PM |
#69 |
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One would identify ones' self in a varifiable fashion, |
The Doctor. |
Nov-25-10 07:04 AM |
#183 |
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I've been there |
info being |
Nov-24-10 04:04 AM |
#145 |
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Actually, that's part of the solution. |
The Doctor. |
Nov-25-10 07:00 AM |
#182 |
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I wish I had the answers.... |
Klukie |
Nov-23-10 10:04 AM |
#7 |
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After observing for 25 years or so, I am quite sure of the answer |
Doctor_J |
Nov-23-10 10:29 AM |
#26 |
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What can we realistically do to stop our slide into oblivion? I will tell you |
NNN0LHI |
Nov-23-10 10:08 AM |
#12 |
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+1 We are nothing without a manufacturing base. n/t |
Catherina |
Nov-23-10 10:16 AM |
#16 |
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We have to overturn the trade agreements. ... renew tariffs .... |
defendandprotect |
Nov-23-10 09:04 PM |
#110 |
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I agree with NNNOLHI and Catherina |
Mimosa |
Nov-24-10 12:44 AM |
#139 |
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The Democrats seem to agree with the Goebbels of the RW |
OHdem10 |
Nov-23-10 10:11 AM |
#13 |
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Rec'd with great sadness n/t |
Catherina |
Nov-23-10 10:17 AM |
#18 |
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They Thought They Were Free.. |
Fumesucker |
Nov-23-10 10:18 AM |
#19 |
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The same thing is going on here. |
nicky187 |
Nov-23-10 12:51 PM |
#40 |
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My impression is they have been corporatizing colleges/universities for decades ..... |
defendandprotect |
Nov-23-10 09:07 PM |
#111 |
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that is absolutely chilling... |
awoke_in_2003 |
Nov-23-10 07:19 PM |
#89 |
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that was absolutely chilling... |
awoke_in_2003 |
Nov-23-10 07:20 PM |
#90 |
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How do we stop the slide? By stopping the capitalism. Ain't gonna be easy - |
TBF |
Nov-23-10 10:20 AM |
#21 |
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Re-regulating capitalism was the first thing Obama should have been doing ..... |
defendandprotect |
Nov-23-10 09:09 PM |
#112 |
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I mostly agree - but I'm not blaming "the government." n/t |
LeftinOH |
Nov-23-10 10:22 AM |
#22 |
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Where do we go from here? Nowhere. |
kctim |
Nov-23-10 10:28 AM |
#24 |
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People are waking up because so far the elites haven't been able to |
defendandprotect |
Nov-23-10 09:18 PM |
#115 |
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Our internal war |
kctim |
Nov-24-10 08:58 AM |
#170 |
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Giving a little harder thought to both your posts ..... |
defendandprotect |
Nov-24-10 02:48 PM |
#178 |
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Interesting points |
kctim |
Nov-24-10 04:26 PM |
#179 |
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Possibly .... |
defendandprotect |
Nov-24-10 11:27 PM |
#181 |
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I was gonna say, "Form our own country" |
Wednesdays |
Nov-23-10 10:29 AM |
#25 |
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I think we agree and it seems to me that we need some creative destruction. |
Greyhound |
Nov-23-10 10:51 AM |
#28 |
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I like what you are saying. However, I can't seem to get a grasp |
ladjf |
Nov-23-10 11:02 AM |
#34 |
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It is not likely at all, but it is possible. |
Greyhound |
Nov-24-10 09:23 AM |
#172 |
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You know how I feel |
mstinamotorcity |
Nov-24-10 08:48 AM |
#166 |
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You know, a year ago I would have accused you of hyperbole. |
woo me with science |
Nov-23-10 10:54 AM |
#29 |
| -
But not our melodrama! |
alcibiades_mystery |
Nov-23-10 10:59 AM |
#32 |
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Looks like our Snarky Invincible Ignorance is still a growth Industry as well. |
TheWatcher |
Nov-23-10 05:03 PM |
#67 |
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Fine post, that speaks for many of us. |
ladjf |
Nov-23-10 10:59 AM |
#33 |
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Just change a few words and it could speak for a lot more. |
Igel |
Nov-23-10 12:42 PM |
#38 |
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I've been saying for a while it's the final push to steal the last few pennies from our pockets. |
laughingliberal |
Nov-23-10 11:42 AM |
#35 |
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KnR |
BrklynLiberal |
Nov-23-10 12:27 PM |
#36 |
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I think what we're seeing is the end of a golden age. Global |
Flatulo |
Nov-23-10 12:31 PM |
#37 |
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Skilled labor in my town used to be $20 an hour plus ten years ago |
Crazy Dave |
Nov-23-10 12:54 PM |
#41 |
| -
It doesn't matter how skilled you are... |
Flatulo |
Nov-23-10 04:30 PM |
#61 |
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They're also bringing the skilled labor from overseas here too |
Crazy Dave |
Nov-23-10 09:33 PM |
#119 |
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"giant ghetto" - Matt Taibbi. |
moondust |
Nov-23-10 01:27 PM |
#42 |
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Sounds like a teabagger talking at dinner with friends. We've made it till now not owning our |
herbm |
Nov-23-10 01:57 PM |
#44 |
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The really ugly truth is that we never had this country to begin with. |
alarimer |
Nov-23-10 02:09 PM |
#47 |
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Exactly ... taken in theft, built by slaves, kept by assassination .... |
defendandprotect |
Nov-23-10 09:21 PM |
#116 |
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I'm not incredibly rich. |
TZ |
Nov-23-10 03:04 PM |
#50 |
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What country is that??? |
Plucketeer |
Nov-23-10 03:26 PM |
#52 |
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Get back to us in a year you lucky one. n/t |
Catherina |
Nov-23-10 03:42 PM |
#56 |
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Thank You So Much For The Update from your Unaffected Bubble World. |
TheWatcher |
Nov-23-10 05:06 PM |
#68 |
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Shhhhhhhh. ........ |
oldhippie |
Nov-24-10 08:50 AM |
#167 |
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Ban together and starve the Beast!!!!! |
mstinamotorcity |
Nov-23-10 03:32 PM |
#53 |
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excellent!!! |
handmade34 |
Nov-23-10 06:37 PM |
#80 |
| -
Tell me something I don't already know! |
Butch350 |
Nov-23-10 03:38 PM |
#54 |
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We can do nothing. All is lost, we're all doomed. |
proteus_lives |
Nov-23-10 03:55 PM |
#58 |
| -
are you having cranberrie sauce or |
onethatcares |
Nov-23-10 04:43 PM |
#62 |
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Not much for cranberries. |
proteus_lives |
Nov-23-10 11:47 PM |
#136 |
| -
"Do we sit around waiting for our own funerals?" |
maryf |
Nov-23-10 04:46 PM |
#63 |
| -
If only the propaganda didn't get young people to fight in wars for the elite. |
valerief |
Nov-23-10 04:48 PM |
#64 |
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That is a pretty good recount of it. |
Rex |
Nov-23-10 04:54 PM |
#66 |
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Eloquent. |
Mimosa |
Nov-23-10 05:20 PM |
#72 |
| -
We're working locally along these lines... |
ProudDad |
Nov-23-10 05:33 PM |
#73 |
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I love this OP/post. -nt |
Poboy |
Nov-23-10 05:47 PM |
#76 |
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As the TeaBaggers say "We want our country back" so we will have to |
fasttense |
Nov-23-10 06:07 PM |
#79 |
| -
we are backed into a corner, most of us |
handmade34 |
Nov-23-10 06:42 PM |
#82 |
| -
"It's not polite to discuss politics or religion in public" --- That had best no longer be true!! |
defendandprotect |
Nov-23-10 09:24 PM |
#117 |
| -
one of the most difficult is |
handmade34 |
Nov-23-10 10:13 PM |
#125 |
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Agree ..... |
defendandprotect |
Nov-23-10 10:22 PM |
#126 |
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K&R. And Obama is at best simply presiding over it, instead of doing anything meaningful to stop it, |
katandmoon |
Nov-23-10 06:48 PM |
#83 |
| -
Like the Doctor |
BobbyBoring |
Nov-23-10 06:48 PM |
#84 |
| -
"Our country has been stolen from us. Our lives have been stolen from us." |
prodigals0n |
Nov-23-10 07:08 PM |
#86 |
| -
This very same thing is repeated over and over and over and over and over and over here. |
UrbScotty |
Nov-23-10 07:09 PM |
#87 |
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Funny, every single of those historical figures you mention also said many things... |
liberation |
Nov-23-10 07:49 PM |
#92 |
| -
It's not a pretty picture emerging. |
HCE SuiGeneris |
Nov-23-10 07:49 PM |
#91 |
| -
Its the press that we have to get right |
madokie |
Nov-23-10 08:12 PM |
#95 |
| -
Elites have been working on knocking out Constitution and "democracy" since first begun.... |
defendandprotect |
Nov-23-10 08:27 PM |
#96 |
| -
The arc of the moral universe is long.. |
ThoughtCriminal |
Nov-23-10 08:48 PM |
#104 |
| -
Run liberal celebrities who are anti-corporate and male |
janet118 |
Nov-23-10 08:52 PM |
#107 |
| -
Believe me, I'm not laughing .... it's a great Plan B .... |
defendandprotect |
Nov-23-10 09:41 PM |
#121 |
| -
alec baldwin? |
meow mix |
Nov-24-10 08:45 AM |
#165 |
| -
Was Viggo Mortensen born in America? |
janet118 |
Nov-24-10 11:58 AM |
#175 |
| -
So....we should use the teabagger line, "I want my country back"?? |
progressoid |
Nov-23-10 09:12 PM |
#113 |
| -
Actually that was Howard Dean's line first . . . |
janet118 |
Nov-23-10 11:19 PM |
#133 |
| -
"Before long..." - I think that, 'America is dispensable', was decided in the 90s |
ShamelessHussy |
Nov-23-10 09:17 PM |
#114 |
| -
It's what the GOP has been working for over 60 years ..."Third world America" ... |
defendandprotect |
Nov-23-10 09:43 PM |
#122 |
| -
It really makes life easier to skate through when you fell owned, doesn't it? |
bluestate10 |
Nov-23-10 09:45 PM |
#123 |
| -
yes, but... I don't believe we control our destiny, entirely |
handmade34 |
Nov-23-10 10:42 PM |
#128 |
| -
ESPECIALLY during periods of costly bad luck and slow work weeks . . . |
HughBeaumont |
Nov-23-10 10:32 PM |
#127 |
| -
I'm not going down without a fight |
Tsiyu |
Nov-23-10 10:43 PM |
#129 |
| -
I'll be fighting along with you |
handmade34 |
Nov-24-10 08:35 AM |
#163 |
| -
Thanks handmade34 |
Tsiyu |
Nov-24-10 10:24 AM |
#173 |
| -
Great post and sadly very true. |
AnArmyVeteran |
Nov-23-10 11:11 PM |
#131 |
| -
This "new" Economic Dis-Enfranchisment of the Middle Class Started in the 80s Against African... |
Yavin4 |
Nov-23-10 11:15 PM |
#132 |
| -
Well, what I'm doing is moving to a small town to start a small business. |
Bette Noir |
Nov-23-10 11:25 PM |
#134 |
| -
Wish I knew. My "safe" union, nursing job is actually under attack. |
AllyCat |
Nov-24-10 12:24 AM |
#137 |
| -
"They owe no allegiance to the Americans..." |
handmade34 |
Nov-24-10 08:32 AM |
#161 |
| -
financially i am fucked |
reggie the dog |
Nov-24-10 12:35 AM |
#138 |
| -
I don't feel that pessimistic, we just need to get the truth out with great passion. |
DemocraticPilgrim |
Nov-24-10 01:27 AM |
#141 |
| -
Kick# 180 Stop the TSA |
avaistheone1 |
Nov-24-10 02:49 AM |
#142 |
| -
some of us have been awake for decades |
TorchTheWitch |
Nov-24-10 04:42 AM |
#147 |
| -
The Answer is |
kaffy4x4 |
Nov-24-10 04:57 AM |
#148 |
| -
The unions are what created the Middle Class |
olegramps |
Nov-24-10 05:54 AM |
#149 |
| -
Truly a bipartisan mess. |
Clear Blue Sky |
Nov-24-10 06:09 AM |
#150 |
| -
You Are In My Head. Sad it is ending this way. n/t |
sandyj999 |
Nov-24-10 06:10 AM |
#151 |
| -
it actually goes back to 400-500 years ago.... |
Locrian |
Nov-24-10 06:42 AM |
#152 |
| -
decline |
creon |
Nov-24-10 07:07 AM |
#154 |
| -
well said |
Locrian |
Nov-24-10 07:19 AM |
#155 |
| -
We do not have a democracy |
manny70 |
Nov-24-10 09:11 AM |
#171 |
| -
Welcome to DU, manny. And your ability to see reality is also welcome. |
Cyrano |
Nov-24-10 01:39 PM |
#176 |
| -
one of the answers... |
handmade34 |
Nov-24-10 04:30 PM |
#180 |
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