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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 10:13 PM
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125. one of the most difficult is
family members that buy into all the scams and marketing... I have a few of those and I usually avoid them because as I get older, learning the truth is one of the most important things I find myself doing.

I tell everyone that will listen that businesses, through marketing and other means, are very successfully telling us what to eat, wear, drive, and unfortunately think... The truth is often difficult to uncover
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  -Our country has been stolen from us. Our lives have been stolen from us. Cyrano  Nov-23-10 09:50 AM   #0 
  - Ban the GOP...Duh!!!  BanTheGOP   Nov-23-10 09:54 AM   #1 
  - I'm sorry, but the Dems were there, too  ixion   Nov-23-10 09:57 AM   #2 
  - Think about what you just wrote. The Dems support capitalism, militarism, and elitism  Catherina   Nov-23-10 10:13 AM   #14 
  - Note I said "republicanist"...not "republican"  BanTheGOP   Nov-23-10 10:24 AM   #23 
  - Yes. The "..ist" broadens the meaning to suggest a system of  ladjf   Nov-23-10 10:54 AM   #30 
  - You may ban the Republican Party but the members would simply  kelly1mm   Nov-23-10 02:00 PM   #45 
  - Elaboration is frankly unnecessary, but here goes...  BanTheGOP   Nov-23-10 02:08 PM   #46 
  - Thanks for that. My question was what would you do with the conservative  kelly1mm   Nov-23-10 02:14 PM   #48 
     - Simple...  Glassunion   Nov-23-10 05:49 PM   #77 
     - Since the Party relies on flawed legal premises in the first place  BanTheGOP   Nov-23-10 08:28 PM   #97 
        - But what if the majority of voters do not want a progressive democracy?  kelly1mm   Nov-23-10 10:46 PM   #130 
           - You are correct. Someone did come up with a very appropriate  Cal33   Nov-24-10 07:47 AM   #159 
           - Sounds good, but I'm afriad this is totally unworkable  lark   Nov-24-10 01:41 PM   #177 
  - The DLC would welcome the ex-GOP candidates with open arms.  NorthCarolina   Nov-24-10 08:55 AM   #169 
  - Touche. You did. But do you think the Democrats serve moneyed interests any less?  Catherina   Nov-23-10 03:39 PM   #55 
  - Exactly....  sendero   Nov-23-10 07:00 PM   #85 
     - one party going by two names. nt  awoke_in_2003   Nov-23-10 07:13 PM   #88 
        - Yes. It is becoming painfully apparent.  Quantess   Nov-23-10 10:10 PM   #124 
  - Hardly matters as long as Capitalism is in place.  blindpig   Nov-23-10 04:04 PM   #59 
     - 375 thousand people making more than a million/yr in US and 44% are in congress.  bjobotts   Nov-23-10 05:20 PM   #71 
     - Exactly ... do we expect this millionaire/multi-millionaire Congress to change anything-?  defendandprotect   Nov-23-10 08:33 PM   #99 
     - They would have us wallow in despair, but....  blindpig   Nov-24-10 07:02 AM   #153 
        - The urgency to protect our natural resources  maryf   Nov-24-10 08:50 AM   #168 
     - I would make a distinction. It isn't capitalism.  Joe Fields   Nov-23-10 08:00 PM   #94 
     - Capitalism is doing what it is intended to do .... move wealth of nations and natural resources...  defendandprotect   Nov-23-10 08:37 PM   #100 
     - it looks to me like you are disagreeing to agree.  Joe Fields   Nov-23-10 08:46 PM   #102 
        - If we have time, I'm sure we'll work it out --- but disagree with you ....  defendandprotect   Nov-23-10 09:29 PM   #118 
        - firstly, capitalism.org's self serving definition  tiny elvis   Nov-24-10 08:06 AM   #160 
     - I would profoundly disagree.  blindpig   Nov-24-10 07:32 AM   #157 
     - 1000% ....  defendandprotect   Nov-23-10 08:31 PM   #98 
  - Capitalism is the problem...? No, people gaming the system is the problem.  Creative   Nov-23-10 05:19 PM   #70 
  - The collective (aka the species) SHOULD have more rights than any individual.  kestrel91316   Nov-23-10 07:50 PM   #93 
  - Good point - and if the SPECIES has more rights, those rights extend to far more individuals  Raksha   Nov-24-10 03:30 AM   #143 
  - such as what?  MNBrewer   Nov-24-10 07:31 AM   #156 
  - I say "rights" - you say "forced procreation". Your response is truly  kestrel91316   Nov-24-10 11:43 AM   #174 
  - No, you do not gain more rights by being the member of a collective.  Creative   Nov-25-10 07:12 AM   #187 
  - Capitalism is the very opposite of democracy and freedom --  defendandprotect   Nov-23-10 08:40 PM   #101 
  - says you....  Joe Fields   Nov-23-10 08:50 PM   #106 
  - The natural state of capitalism is NOT its regulated state ....  defendandprotect   Nov-23-10 09:33 PM   #120 
     - Wasn't trying to be mean spirited. We are just at odds with definitions.  Joe Fields   Nov-23-10 11:33 PM   #135 
        - Agree with you it is definition ---  defendandprotect   Nov-24-10 07:34 AM   #158 
  - The most advanced civilizations in the world are those that embrace capitalism.  Creative   Nov-25-10 07:14 AM   #188 
  - The rights of the collective  maryf   Nov-24-10 08:35 AM   #162 
     - Freedom, in the US, is recognized by the Constitution, not "the universal declaration  Creative   Nov-25-10 07:10 AM   #186 
  - We are doomed under Capitalism  txlibdem   Nov-24-10 01:17 AM   #140 
  - Both parties are bought and paid for by Corporations. This is Corporate controlled America.  sarcasmo   Nov-23-10 01:39 PM   #43 
  - Obama showed us his corporate hand immediately after the election ....  defendandprotect   Nov-23-10 08:48 PM   #103 
  - Sorry to tell ya but the DINOS in office are worse than the rethugs.  earth mom   Nov-23-10 03:08 PM   #51 
     - Yeah but that is only a handful compared to the entire repub party  bjobotts   Nov-23-10 05:42 PM   #74 
        - The "Money Party" is composed of all repubs and a handul of dems.It's ideology prevention  bjobotts   Nov-23-10 05:44 PM   #75 
  - Got Prozac? Paxil? If so, then you need to add Abilify.  Billy Burnett   Nov-23-10 09:58 AM   #3 
  - "Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill"?  TK421   Nov-23-10 10:15 AM   #15 
  - Because you've been down that road  moblsv   Nov-23-10 04:49 PM   #65 
     - Sad thing is, I like that road....they had some great noodles n/t  TK421   Nov-23-10 06:38 PM   #81 
  - But What happens when you need to...  jonthebru   Nov-23-10 10:57 AM   #31 
  - Read Yes! Magazine and similar publications....  OneGrassRoot   Nov-23-10 09:58 AM   #4 
  - Wow, thank you for the Yes! magazine recommendation, OneGrassRoot.  Raksha   Nov-24-10 03:59 AM   #144 
     - Yay!  OneGrassRoot   Nov-24-10 08:37 AM   #164 
  - Though the oligarchs have overplayed their hand on the environmental front...  villager   Nov-23-10 10:00 AM   #5 
  - You wanna make a bet?  swilton   Nov-23-10 03:48 PM   #57 
  - Sure -- and privatized security, etc. But their arrogance is that they literally think they live on  villager   Nov-23-10 05:51 PM   #78 
  - For years now, the Mall at Short Hills here in NJ, features collections of IRON GATES.....  defendandprotect   Nov-23-10 08:50 PM   #105 
  - Agree with you ... but think it will be Global Warming which will play the final cards ....  defendandprotect   Nov-23-10 08:57 PM   #108 
  - I have the formula. The keys to mass prosperity.  The Doctor.   Nov-23-10 10:01 AM   #6 
  - interesting post -- would love to hear more.  Tuesday Afternoon   Nov-23-10 10:05 AM   #8 
  - Grape Kool Aid?  Billy Burnett   Nov-23-10 10:05 AM   #9 
  - Hahaha  Klukie   Nov-23-10 10:07 AM   #11 
  - Why in the world  BonnieJW   Nov-23-10 10:07 AM   #10 
  - Weird, eh?  SammyWinstonJack   Nov-23-10 10:16 AM   # 
  - Good question. The short answer?  The Doctor.   Nov-23-10 10:16 AM   #17 
     - And truly finding the right people is a challenge...  OneGrassRoot   Nov-23-10 10:19 AM   #20 
     - You have no idea.  The Doctor.   Nov-23-10 10:30 AM   #27 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-23-10 12:48 PM   #39 
     - ...  The Doctor.   Nov-23-10 02:22 PM   #49 
     - Try Michael Moore - - Ralph Nader - - Soros --  defendandprotect   Nov-23-10 09:02 PM   #109 
        - No, they don't give a shit at all  info being   Nov-24-10 04:06 AM   #146 
        - I've emailed Michael Moore... no response.  The Doctor.   Nov-25-10 07:06 AM   #184 
  - does it involve the TARDIS?  yodermon   Nov-23-10 04:05 PM   #60 
  - Hehehe... it's in the shop.  The Doctor.   Nov-25-10 07:08 AM   #185 
  - The Formula  bbigrob   Nov-23-10 05:11 PM   #69 
  - One would identify ones' self in a varifiable fashion,  The Doctor.   Nov-25-10 07:04 AM   #183 
  - I've been there  info being   Nov-24-10 04:04 AM   #145 
     - Actually, that's part of the solution.  The Doctor.   Nov-25-10 07:00 AM   #182 
  - I wish I had the answers....  Klukie   Nov-23-10 10:04 AM   #7 
  - After observing for 25 years or so, I am quite sure of the answer  Doctor_J   Nov-23-10 10:29 AM   #26 
  - What can we realistically do to stop our slide into oblivion? I will tell you  NNN0LHI   Nov-23-10 10:08 AM   #12 
  - +1 We are nothing without a manufacturing base. n/t  Catherina   Nov-23-10 10:16 AM   #16 
  - We have to overturn the trade agreements. ... renew tariffs ....  defendandprotect   Nov-23-10 09:04 PM   #110 
  - I agree with NNNOLHI and Catherina  Mimosa   Nov-24-10 12:44 AM   #139 
  - The Democrats seem to agree with the Goebbels of the RW  OHdem10   Nov-23-10 10:11 AM   #13 
  - Rec'd with great sadness n/t  Catherina   Nov-23-10 10:17 AM   #18 
  - They Thought They Were Free..  Fumesucker   Nov-23-10 10:18 AM   #19 
  - The same thing is going on here.  nicky187   Nov-23-10 12:51 PM   #40 
  - My impression is they have been corporatizing colleges/universities for decades .....  defendandprotect   Nov-23-10 09:07 PM   #111 
  - that is absolutely chilling...  awoke_in_2003   Nov-23-10 07:19 PM   #89 
  - that was absolutely chilling...  awoke_in_2003   Nov-23-10 07:20 PM   #90 
  - How do we stop the slide? By stopping the capitalism. Ain't gonna be easy -  TBF   Nov-23-10 10:20 AM   #21 
  - Re-regulating capitalism was the first thing Obama should have been doing .....  defendandprotect   Nov-23-10 09:09 PM   #112 
  - I mostly agree - but I'm not blaming "the government." n/t  LeftinOH   Nov-23-10 10:22 AM   #22 
  - Where do we go from here? Nowhere.  kctim   Nov-23-10 10:28 AM   #24 
  - People are waking up because so far the elites haven't been able to  defendandprotect   Nov-23-10 09:18 PM   #115 
     - Our internal war  kctim   Nov-24-10 08:58 AM   #170 
        - Giving a little harder thought to both your posts .....  defendandprotect   Nov-24-10 02:48 PM   #178 
           - Interesting points  kctim   Nov-24-10 04:26 PM   #179 
              - Possibly ....  defendandprotect   Nov-24-10 11:27 PM   #181 
  - I was gonna say, "Form our own country"  Wednesdays   Nov-23-10 10:29 AM   #25 
  - I think we agree and it seems to me that we need some creative destruction.  Greyhound   Nov-23-10 10:51 AM   #28 
  - I like what you are saying. However, I can't seem to get a grasp  ladjf   Nov-23-10 11:02 AM   #34 
  - It is not likely at all, but it is possible.  Greyhound   Nov-24-10 09:23 AM   #172 
  - You know how I feel  mstinamotorcity   Nov-24-10 08:48 AM   #166 
  - You know, a year ago I would have accused you of hyperbole.  woo me with science   Nov-23-10 10:54 AM   #29 
  - But not our melodrama!  alcibiades_mystery   Nov-23-10 10:59 AM   #32 
  - Looks like our Snarky Invincible Ignorance is still a growth Industry as well.  TheWatcher   Nov-23-10 05:03 PM   #67 
  - Fine post, that speaks for many of us.  ladjf   Nov-23-10 10:59 AM   #33 
  - Just change a few words and it could speak for a lot more.  Igel   Nov-23-10 12:42 PM   #38 
  - I've been saying for a while it's the final push to steal the last few pennies from our pockets.  laughingliberal   Nov-23-10 11:42 AM   #35 
  - KnR  BrklynLiberal   Nov-23-10 12:27 PM   #36 
  - I think what we're seeing is the end of a golden age. Global  Flatulo   Nov-23-10 12:31 PM   #37 
  - Skilled labor in my town used to be $20 an hour plus ten years ago  Crazy Dave   Nov-23-10 12:54 PM   #41 
     - It doesn't matter how skilled you are...  Flatulo   Nov-23-10 04:30 PM   #61 
        - They're also bringing the skilled labor from overseas here too  Crazy Dave   Nov-23-10 09:33 PM   #119 
  - "giant ghetto" - Matt Taibbi.  moondust   Nov-23-10 01:27 PM   #42 
  - Sounds like a teabagger talking at dinner with friends. We've made it till now not owning our  herbm   Nov-23-10 01:57 PM   #44 
  - The really ugly truth is that we never had this country to begin with.  alarimer   Nov-23-10 02:09 PM   #47 
  - Exactly ... taken in theft, built by slaves, kept by assassination ....  defendandprotect   Nov-23-10 09:21 PM   #116 
  - I'm not incredibly rich.  TZ   Nov-23-10 03:04 PM   #50 
  - What country is that???  Plucketeer   Nov-23-10 03:26 PM   #52 
  - Get back to us in a year you lucky one. n/t  Catherina   Nov-23-10 03:42 PM   #56 
  - Thank You So Much For The Update from your Unaffected Bubble World.  TheWatcher   Nov-23-10 05:06 PM   #68 
  - Shhhhhhhh. ........  oldhippie   Nov-24-10 08:50 AM   #167 
  - Ban together and starve the Beast!!!!!  mstinamotorcity   Nov-23-10 03:32 PM   #53 
  - excellent!!!  handmade34   Nov-23-10 06:37 PM   #80 
  - Tell me something I don't already know!  Butch350   Nov-23-10 03:38 PM   #54 
  - We can do nothing. All is lost, we're all doomed.  proteus_lives   Nov-23-10 03:55 PM   #58 
  - are you having cranberrie sauce or  onethatcares   Nov-23-10 04:43 PM   #62 
     - Not much for cranberries.  proteus_lives   Nov-23-10 11:47 PM   #136 
  - "Do we sit around waiting for our own funerals?"  maryf   Nov-23-10 04:46 PM   #63 
  - If only the propaganda didn't get young people to fight in wars for the elite.  valerief   Nov-23-10 04:48 PM   #64 
  - That is a pretty good recount of it.  Rex   Nov-23-10 04:54 PM   #66 
  - Eloquent.  Mimosa   Nov-23-10 05:20 PM   #72 
  - We're working locally along these lines...  ProudDad   Nov-23-10 05:33 PM   #73 
  - I love this OP/post. -nt  Poboy   Nov-23-10 05:47 PM   #76 
  - As the TeaBaggers say "We want our country back" so we will have to  fasttense   Nov-23-10 06:07 PM   #79 
  - we are backed into a corner, most of us  handmade34   Nov-23-10 06:42 PM   #82 
  - "It's not polite to discuss politics or religion in public" --- That had best no longer be true!!  defendandprotect   Nov-23-10 09:24 PM   #117 
     - one of the most difficult is  handmade34   Nov-23-10 10:13 PM   #125 
        - Agree .....  defendandprotect   Nov-23-10 10:22 PM   #126 
  - K&R. And Obama is at best simply presiding over it, instead of doing anything meaningful to stop it,  katandmoon   Nov-23-10 06:48 PM   #83 
  - Like the Doctor  BobbyBoring   Nov-23-10 06:48 PM   #84 
  - "Our country has been stolen from us. Our lives have been stolen from us."  prodigals0n   Nov-23-10 07:08 PM   #86 
  - This very same thing is repeated over and over and over and over and over and over here.  UrbScotty   Nov-23-10 07:09 PM   #87 
  - Funny, every single of those historical figures you mention also said many things...  liberation   Nov-23-10 07:49 PM   #92 
  - It's not a pretty picture emerging.  HCE SuiGeneris   Nov-23-10 07:49 PM   #91 
  - Its the press that we have to get right  madokie   Nov-23-10 08:12 PM   #95 
  - Elites have been working on knocking out Constitution and "democracy" since first begun....  defendandprotect   Nov-23-10 08:27 PM   #96 
  - The arc of the moral universe is long..  ThoughtCriminal   Nov-23-10 08:48 PM   #104 
  - Run liberal celebrities who are anti-corporate and male  janet118   Nov-23-10 08:52 PM   #107 
  - Believe me, I'm not laughing .... it's a great Plan B ....  defendandprotect   Nov-23-10 09:41 PM   #121 
  - alec baldwin?  meow mix   Nov-24-10 08:45 AM   #165 
     - Was Viggo Mortensen born in America?  janet118   Nov-24-10 11:58 AM   #175 
  - So....we should use the teabagger line, "I want my country back"??  progressoid   Nov-23-10 09:12 PM   #113 
  - Actually that was Howard Dean's line first . . .  janet118   Nov-23-10 11:19 PM   #133 
  - "Before long..." - I think that, 'America is dispensable', was decided in the 90s  ShamelessHussy   Nov-23-10 09:17 PM   #114 
  - It's what the GOP has been working for over 60 years ..."Third world America" ...  defendandprotect   Nov-23-10 09:43 PM   #122 
  - It really makes life easier to skate through when you fell owned, doesn't it?  bluestate10   Nov-23-10 09:45 PM   #123 
  - yes, but... I don't believe we control our destiny, entirely  handmade34   Nov-23-10 10:42 PM   #128 
  - ESPECIALLY during periods of costly bad luck and slow work weeks . . .  HughBeaumont   Nov-23-10 10:32 PM   #127 
  - I'm not going down without a fight  Tsiyu   Nov-23-10 10:43 PM   #129 
  - I'll be fighting along with you  handmade34   Nov-24-10 08:35 AM   #163 
     - Thanks handmade34  Tsiyu   Nov-24-10 10:24 AM   #173 
  - Great post and sadly very true.  AnArmyVeteran   Nov-23-10 11:11 PM   #131 
  - This "new" Economic Dis-Enfranchisment of the Middle Class Started in the 80s Against African...  Yavin4   Nov-23-10 11:15 PM   #132 
  - Well, what I'm doing is moving to a small town to start a small business.  Bette Noir   Nov-23-10 11:25 PM   #134 
  - Wish I knew. My "safe" union, nursing job is actually under attack.  AllyCat   Nov-24-10 12:24 AM   #137 
  - "They owe no allegiance to the Americans..."  handmade34   Nov-24-10 08:32 AM   #161 
  - financially i am fucked  reggie the dog   Nov-24-10 12:35 AM   #138 
  - I don't feel that pessimistic, we just need to get the truth out with great passion.  DemocraticPilgrim   Nov-24-10 01:27 AM   #141 
  - Kick# 180 Stop the TSA  avaistheone1   Nov-24-10 02:49 AM   #142 
  - some of us have been awake for decades  TorchTheWitch   Nov-24-10 04:42 AM   #147 
  - The Answer is  kaffy4x4   Nov-24-10 04:57 AM   #148 
  - The unions are what created the Middle Class  olegramps   Nov-24-10 05:54 AM   #149 
  - Truly a bipartisan mess.  Clear Blue Sky   Nov-24-10 06:09 AM   #150 
  - You Are In My Head. Sad it is ending this way. n/t  sandyj999   Nov-24-10 06:10 AM   #151 
  - it actually goes back to 400-500 years ago....  Locrian   Nov-24-10 06:42 AM   #152 
  - decline  creon   Nov-24-10 07:07 AM   #154 
  - well said  Locrian   Nov-24-10 07:19 AM   #155 
  - We do not have a democracy  manny70   Nov-24-10 09:11 AM   #171 
  - Welcome to DU, manny. And your ability to see reality is also welcome.  Cyrano   Nov-24-10 01:39 PM   #176 
  - one of the answers...  handmade34   Nov-24-10 04:30 PM   #180 
  - .  Poboy   Nov-25-10 12:36 PM   #189 
 

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