reggie the dog
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Tue Nov-23-10 03:40 PM
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| 149. i would prefer that they would just do away with all of the searches |
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and i agree that it is invasive to search our bags without probable cause. i see a difference between the government mandating that our bags be searched and the owners of the plane demanding that our bags be searched, i can willfully concede rights to a private company in order to be allowed to board their private property and rival companies could do away with the searches. honestly i have taken the bus and train many times with no searches whatsoever and i have not been scared. back in the 60's my uncles would get on the plane with their hunting rifle as their carry on and no one freaked out.... or so they say.. i really have no reason to doubt them though
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| -I am neither rich nor famous. (Warning: Bypass if you are sick of TSA threads) |
Pacifist Patriot |
Nov-21-10 05:14 PM |
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I hope you never have to use this plan. You are a brave soul. Kudos! |
Little Star |
Nov-21-10 05:18 PM |
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Sigh, good luck and I hope you will not be harassed. |
Alameda |
Nov-21-10 05:19 PM |
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Sigh, good luck and I hope you will not be harassed. |
Alameda |
Nov-21-10 05:19 PM |
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Sigh, good luck and I hope you will not be harassed. |
Alameda |
Nov-21-10 05:19 PM |
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Realize Mr. Pistole started to prepare the dial down |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-21-10 05:24 PM |
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Awesome! I'm all in favor of the powers that be seeing reason before I fly again. |
Pacifist Patriot |
Nov-21-10 05:26 PM |
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I can see keeping one of these things to be used with |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-21-10 05:28 PM |
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He didn't say "dial down." |
LisaL |
Nov-21-10 05:53 PM |
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Read tea leaves |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-21-10 05:59 PM |
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One can only hope, but |
LisaL |
Nov-21-10 06:03 PM |
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You forgot the chemical sniffers |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-21-10 06:05 PM |
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I don't think anyone was objecting to those? |
LisaL |
Nov-21-10 06:07 PM |
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They are gone because they were all but effective |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-21-10 06:17 PM |
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Bring a witness |
notesdev |
Nov-21-10 05:25 PM |
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You could be making a very expensive mistake |
taught_me_patience |
Nov-21-10 05:28 PM |
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Meaningless? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-21-10 05:29 PM |
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It will accomplish nothing. Therefore it is meaningless. n/t |
taught_me_patience |
Nov-21-10 05:31 PM |
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Accomplish nothing? Perhaps. |
Pacifist Patriot |
Nov-21-10 05:33 PM |
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Yeah, it will do nothing |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-21-10 05:40 PM |
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Rosa Parks was meaningless? |
CreekDog |
Nov-21-10 05:52 PM |
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Rosa Parks and a plan, srategy, and organization behind her. |
Radical Activist |
Nov-21-10 06:22 PM |
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so that's what made her meaningful? backing? some random person shouldn't have done what she did? |
CreekDog |
Nov-21-10 06:38 PM |
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Many random people did do what she did many times before. |
Radical Activist |
Nov-21-10 06:43 PM |
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actually i'm concerned about one of the machines they use that I can't opt out of |
CreekDog |
Nov-21-10 06:48 PM |
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I'm surprised you think you could get away with this. |
Pacifist Patriot |
Nov-21-10 06:49 PM |
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I know. She always said she had no thoughts of starting a movement. Her feet were tired. |
laughingliberal |
Nov-21-10 06:51 PM |
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I'm not surprised you believe the naive fairy tail version of what happened. |
Radical Activist |
Nov-21-10 07:03 PM |
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You've bought the mythology. |
Radical Activist |
Nov-21-10 06:57 PM |
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The Mythology? |
Pacifist Patriot |
Nov-21-10 07:02 PM |
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Rosa Parks attending workshops at the Highlander Folk School, |
Radical Activist |
Nov-21-10 07:04 PM |
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You really don't get it do you? |
Pacifist Patriot |
Nov-21-10 07:08 PM |
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You're not getting the point. |
Radical Activist |
Nov-21-10 07:15 PM |
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Because they learned from the "meaningless" acts of those people before them. nt |
Hissyspit |
Nov-22-10 03:52 AM |
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I'm gonna take her word for it |
laughingliberal |
Nov-21-10 07:05 PM |
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She was secretary of the local NAACP, |
Radical Activist |
Nov-21-10 07:11 PM |
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Her own words carry more credibility with me than yours or some |
laughingliberal |
Nov-21-10 07:19 PM |
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I've heard the claims on both sides and as I wasn't present at the time... |
Pacifist Patriot |
Nov-21-10 07:21 PM |
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+1000 nt |
laughingliberal |
Nov-21-10 07:23 PM |
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It's up to you |
Radical Activist |
Nov-21-10 07:29 PM |
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You forgot a few other details |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-21-10 08:32 PM |
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it really is unbelievable that |
ima_sinnic |
Nov-22-10 01:22 PM |
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Rosa Parks knew of those people. |
Hissyspit |
Nov-22-10 03:50 AM |
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Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. |
laughingliberal |
Nov-21-10 06:49 PM |
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counseled by the activist that doing something is meaningless |
CreekDog |
Nov-21-10 06:50 PM |
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No. That organization is necessary. |
Radical Activist |
Nov-21-10 06:52 PM |
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ok |
CreekDog |
Nov-21-10 07:00 PM |
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Yeah. Looks like we're whipped. |
laughingliberal |
Nov-21-10 07:07 PM |
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It's time to give up on the "me generation" libertarian form of activism |
Radical Activist |
Nov-21-10 07:16 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Nov-21-10 07:22 PM |
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Yeah, might as well give up. |
laughingliberal |
Nov-21-10 08:40 PM |
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Yes I absolutely agree. Too bad your form of "activism" is organizing inside the Democratic Party |
readmoreoften |
Nov-22-10 03:11 AM |
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Just because I don't |
Radical Activist |
Nov-22-10 10:38 AM |
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then lead |
reggie the dog |
Nov-22-10 02:35 PM |
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Up is down. nt |
laughingliberal |
Nov-21-10 06:54 PM |
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Rosa Parks did NOT have a plan, strategy, OR organization behind her |
ima_sinnic |
Nov-22-10 02:48 AM |
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When you're ready |
Radical Activist |
Nov-22-10 10:54 AM |
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You come off as really condescending. |
de novo |
Nov-22-10 11:11 AM |
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So does all the |
Radical Activist |
Nov-22-10 11:20 AM |
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The OP doesn't mention Obama. |
de novo |
Nov-22-10 11:24 AM |
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So? |
Radical Activist |
Nov-22-10 11:29 AM |
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I commented on your condescending tone, |
de novo |
Nov-22-10 11:33 AM |
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I'm aware, and |
Radical Activist |
Nov-22-10 11:47 AM |
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what EXACTLY is your point? |
ima_sinnic |
Nov-22-10 01:29 PM |
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You are not familiar with the success already of some who did |
sabrina 1 |
Nov-21-10 06:08 PM |
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+1000. nt |
laughingliberal |
Nov-21-10 08:27 PM |
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I've never really considered advocating for constitutional rights to be meaningless. |
Pacifist Patriot |
Nov-21-10 05:32 PM |
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Meaningless, like the dead civil rights protesters, like the Viet Nam protesters? |
LiberalArkie |
Nov-21-10 05:47 PM |
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A different breed we were in those days. |
laughingliberal |
Nov-21-10 06:57 PM |
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Nov-21-10 05:55 PM |
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What could be more expensive than the loss of rights? |
sabrina 1 |
Nov-21-10 06:01 PM |
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None so blind as those... |
laughingliberal |
Nov-21-10 06:59 PM |
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You obviously did not read her post |
Caretha |
Nov-21-10 06:33 PM |
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Maybe the OP would try it in DC and not make it home to the family |
taught_me_patience |
Nov-21-10 09:18 PM |
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You should take a course in civics and history. |
Matariki |
Nov-21-10 07:44 PM |
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I applaud your courage to take a principled stand.... despite |
hlthe2b |
Nov-21-10 05:28 PM |
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I sincerely wish you the best! I am flying Wednesday |
onecent |
Nov-21-10 05:39 PM |
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I believe you are correct |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-21-10 05:41 PM |
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More power to you. |
LisaL |
Nov-21-10 05:50 PM |
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I think it's cool |
bigwillq |
Nov-21-10 05:52 PM |
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Not entirely altruistic. |
Pacifist Patriot |
Nov-21-10 05:55 PM |
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There cannot be enough discussion about the violations this |
sabrina 1 |
Nov-21-10 06:11 PM |
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Good luck! |
Odin2005 |
Nov-21-10 05:52 PM |
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Thank you for taking a stand and good luck. You are doing what |
sabrina 1 |
Nov-21-10 05:59 PM |
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Good luck, seriously. |
Laelth |
Nov-21-10 06:09 PM |
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That's really all I want to see. |
Pacifist Patriot |
Nov-21-10 06:25 PM |
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Good advise. I like your idea. |
Left coast liberal |
Nov-21-10 06:33 PM |
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You ARE NOT a cop out! You have conflicting duties, to your son |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-21-10 08:54 PM |
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i have to fly with my 3 year old |
reggie the dog |
Nov-22-10 03:22 PM |
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you may also have this problem getting OFF the plane |
TorchTheWitch |
Nov-23-10 05:53 AM |
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i fly directly to chicago, |
reggie the dog |
Nov-23-10 07:10 AM |
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the rules apply to the whole nation |
TorchTheWitch |
Nov-23-10 05:24 PM |
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Be sure to report what you see if it compromises your privacy to the ACLU |
KoKo |
Nov-21-10 06:47 PM |
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REPORT TO ACLU you TSA EXPERIENCE...NAKED SCAN/BODY SEARCH, HERE: |
KoKo |
Nov-21-10 06:48 PM |
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Not to fear, my attorney has already provided me with... |
Pacifist Patriot |
Nov-21-10 06:51 PM |
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Godspeed and good wishes for you and your safety. nt |
laughingliberal |
Nov-21-10 07:02 PM |
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Thank you. |
Pacifist Patriot |
Nov-21-10 07:23 PM |
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... |
laughingliberal |
Nov-21-10 07:26 PM |
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+1000 nt |
laughingliberal |
Nov-21-10 06:47 PM |
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Or you are free to take the train |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-21-10 07:22 PM |
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Yet another who fails to read in its entirety. |
Pacifist Patriot |
Nov-21-10 07:26 PM |
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You're the one missing the point |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-21-10 07:34 PM |
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No, not really. |
Pacifist Patriot |
Nov-21-10 07:44 PM |
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+1000 nt |
laughingliberal |
Nov-21-10 07:48 PM |
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Yes really |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-21-10 08:17 PM |
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I am ticketed on Delta. |
Pacifist Patriot |
Nov-21-10 08:46 PM |
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Delta Airlines has to adhere to regulations |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-21-10 09:35 PM |
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how is there no constitutional right to take a plane? |
reggie the dog |
Nov-22-10 03:10 PM |
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I would agree we have a constitutional right to move freely about... |
Pacifist Patriot |
Nov-22-10 05:02 PM |
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of course we have a right |
reggie the dog |
Nov-23-10 01:59 AM |
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Yes you can move freely |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-22-10 05:11 PM |
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like riding your own bike or |
reggie the dog |
Nov-23-10 02:02 AM |
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So you're saying the government has no right of regulation of airlines |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-23-10 08:41 AM |
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no right to invasive searches |
reggie the dog |
Nov-23-10 12:03 PM |
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X-raying your bag without probable cause |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-23-10 02:56 PM |
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i would prefer that they would just do away with all of the searches |
reggie the dog |
Nov-23-10 03:40 PM |
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So you don't think the government has any obligation to keep |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-23-10 04:46 PM |
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i do |
reggie the dog |
Nov-23-10 04:51 PM |
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Israel is a very small country |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-23-10 05:10 PM |
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what does size have to do with it? |
reggie the dog |
Nov-23-10 05:29 PM |
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Size has everything to do with it. |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-23-10 07:07 PM |
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or you are free to read the OP |
RetroLounge |
Nov-21-10 07:33 PM |
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But that is not a constitutional right nt |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-21-10 07:35 PM |
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And no one has said that it is. Your point now? |
Pacifist Patriot |
Nov-21-10 07:45 PM |
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Since you don't have a right to fly on an airplane |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-21-10 08:21 PM |
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This is *government* funded security, not private airlines' security. |
Lars39 |
Nov-21-10 08:31 PM |
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And they have the right to use private security |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-21-10 09:37 PM |
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private security has to follow the same rules as the TSA |
TorchTheWitch |
Nov-23-10 05:26 PM |
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You do understand that TSA is government and not a branch of... |
Pacifist Patriot |
Nov-21-10 08:42 PM |
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And you understand you don't have a right |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-21-10 09:38 PM |
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You don't have a right to travel on the train or a bus either. |
LisaL |
Nov-21-10 09:40 PM |
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Exactly. |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-21-10 09:45 PM |
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We don't have "the right" to cross the street either if you carry out your train of logic. |
Pacifist Patriot |
Nov-22-10 06:42 AM |
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If you do so in a vehicle owned by someone else, no. |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-22-10 04:23 PM |
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It is troublesome and there is truth in what you say. |
Pacifist Patriot |
Nov-22-10 05:07 PM |
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His point is to agree with anything the gov't does |
RetroLounge |
Nov-22-10 05:18 PM |
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Patterns of Posting???? |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-22-10 05:34 PM |
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Give It A Rest Dude |
Binka |
Nov-22-10 06:04 PM |
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Another person stalking me |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-22-10 09:52 PM |
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Stalking You? |
Binka |
Nov-22-10 11:20 PM |
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Offensive??? |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-23-10 08:47 AM |
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Creepy? |
RetroLounge |
Nov-23-10 06:31 PM |
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Yeah, the outrage is either hilarious or pathetic. |
RetroLounge |
Nov-23-10 06:30 PM |
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Hilariously Pathetic? |
Binka |
Nov-23-10 07:11 PM |
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K & R and kudos. nm |
laughingliberal |
Nov-21-10 07:25 PM |
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Good luck and good for you. |
Matariki |
Nov-21-10 07:42 PM |
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Bravo for you and non-violent protest for human dignity. K&R |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Nov-21-10 07:50 PM |
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Good luck and thank you for taking a principled stand. nt |
Ilsa |
Nov-21-10 09:58 PM |
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Talk to a lawyer in advance. Phrase all of your question hypothetically. |
struggle4progress |
Nov-21-10 11:54 PM |
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I support you 100% |
bluetrain |
Nov-22-10 12:13 AM |
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You will be refused access to the boarding area |
Gormy Cuss |
Nov-22-10 11:04 AM |
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or escorted out of the airport |
HipChick |
Nov-22-10 05:16 PM |
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k&r |
Poboy |
Nov-22-10 11:31 AM |
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Someone once compared fighting for democracy |
TfG |
Nov-22-10 11:34 AM |
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Using a phone is a choice, don't you know? |
LisaL |
Nov-22-10 11:48 AM |
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LOL |
TfG |
Nov-22-10 11:53 AM |
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I have no reason for international air travel till next summer at the earliest, but |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-22-10 12:00 PM |
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don't be ashamed of having been raped |
reggie the dog |
Nov-22-10 02:12 PM |
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Oh I'm not ashamed. Just can't picture myself blurting it out to a stranger. |
Pacifist Patriot |
Nov-22-10 03:07 PM |
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recommended |
TexasObserver |
Nov-22-10 03:14 PM |
#129 |
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