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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 08:47 PM
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76. Mexicans don't have to apply US Constitutional case law

Why would I object to whether Mexicans are violating the Fifth Amendment by conducting interrogations of passengers.

They can do that.

I object to US officials conducting non-Mirandized interrogations in the US, because it is a violation of the US Constitution.

The Mexicans have their own Constitution.

I enjoyed my trip there, and found the "red button" random search machine to be fascinating, but it is still a randomized statistical search.

Israel also has internal checkpoints, heavy surveillance of movement, electronic surveillance of foreign visitors, a population of which a majority of native adults have served in the armed forces due to compulsory service, and a lot of other factors that make the airport safer, before passengers even show up, and which we would not tolerate.

Israeli techniques in Mexico have made NO DENT in terrorist attacks on airlines in Mexico. Which were zero before they got the advice.

I am starting a drinking game, though. Everytime someone on DU says "security theater", everyone has to have a drink.
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  -ACLU says NO to Israeli style airport behavioral screening. pnwmom  Nov-18-10 06:22 PM   #0 
  - I'd much rather be interviewed than groped or x-rayed. nt  polichick   Nov-18-10 06:29 PM   #1 
  - So, let's chuck the Fifth Amendment while we are at it?  jberryhill   Nov-18-10 07:47 PM   #30 
     - I saw a segment about how Israel interviews passengers and watches...  polichick   Nov-19-10 12:06 AM   #94 
  - The title is in error this is NOT Israeli style airport behavioral screening. In Israel agents talk  Vincardog   Nov-18-10 06:30 PM   #2 
  - They don't just talk, they also "observe." There are many agents  pnwmom   Nov-18-10 06:31 PM   #3 
  - Alas this is SOP around the world  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-18-10 06:32 PM   #4 
  - Your point is? They do not rely on Fabricated BS, They rely on time proven interview techniques.  Vincardog   Nov-18-10 06:33 PM   #6 
     - They rely on profiling and "face reading."  pnwmom   Nov-18-10 06:38 PM   #11 
        - As opposed to feeling up every passenger? I think you are o the wrong side of this.  Vincardog   Nov-18-10 06:41 PM   #13 
        - So it's okay to discriminate against Arabs the way Israel does?  Violet_Crumble   Nov-18-10 06:53 PM   #15 
           - What proof do you have that they discriminate against Arabs, besides anecdotal?  sally cat   Nov-18-10 06:56 PM   #17 
           - Here's some proof, though I thought most people were aware of the long-term harrassment ...  Violet_Crumble   Nov-18-10 07:08 PM   #19 
              - Blow me down Violet. I agree with you.  riderinthestorm   Nov-18-10 07:17 PM   #21 
              - Hey, it's good to be in agreement with you...  Violet_Crumble   Nov-18-10 07:25 PM   #23 
              - Thanks for the link. Interesting article. n/t  pnwmom   Nov-18-10 10:53 PM   #90 
              - We are talking about airlines! I can't believe you went there! And it's a claim, not proof.  sally cat   Nov-18-10 07:46 PM   #29 
              - Yeah, how dare I and others post articles that show discrimination does indeed happen...  Violet_Crumble   Nov-18-10 08:02 PM   #40 
              - If you google about "el al" and "racial profiling" you can find  pnwmom   Nov-18-10 08:04 PM   #42 
              - Apparently many people are not, Violet. Including most of the  pnwmom   Nov-18-10 08:01 PM   #39 
              - I'm sure some are, but don't care about discrimination unless it affects them...  Violet_Crumble   Nov-18-10 08:07 PM   #45 
                 - You mean MEXICO CITY, which was ahem israelized  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-18-10 08:10 PM   #49 
                    - If Mexico City is using racial profiling, I most definately don't mean that...  Violet_Crumble   Nov-18-10 08:14 PM   #54 
                       - What part of asking questions  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-18-10 08:15 PM   #57 
                          - What part of pointing out  Violet_Crumble   Nov-18-10 08:20 PM   #61 
                             - Well then don't trave to Mexico  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-18-10 08:22 PM   #63 
                                - Um, why?  Violet_Crumble   Nov-18-10 08:29 PM   #68 
                                   - They use the METHODS you object to  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-18-10 08:32 PM   #71 
                                      - So what? I can go where I like and it's none of yr business...  Violet_Crumble   Nov-18-10 08:45 PM   #75 
                                      - Mexicans don't have to apply US Constitutional case law  jberryhill   Nov-18-10 08:47 PM   #76 
              - Could that article be any more vague?  WinkyDink   Nov-18-10 08:08 PM   #47 
                 - It wasn't vague. What bits do you need explained to you? n/t  Violet_Crumble   Nov-18-10 08:15 PM   #55 
           - Airport...and let me ask you a serious question  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-18-10 07:01 PM   #18 
           - What yr using as examples aren't racial profiling...  Violet_Crumble   Nov-18-10 07:11 PM   #20 
              - What is done at US Immigration is RACIAL PROFILING  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-18-10 07:38 PM   #26 
                 - What you described in yr post isn't racial profiling and here's why...  Violet_Crumble   Nov-18-10 07:56 PM   #37 
                 - you sure?  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-18-10 07:58 PM   #38 
                    - I'm sure. Glad to have gotten that cleared up n/t  Violet_Crumble   Nov-18-10 08:02 PM   #41 
                       - Good, we could even exchange credentials  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-18-10 08:06 PM   #44 
                          - I'm not interested in swapping anything...  Violet_Crumble   Nov-18-10 08:11 PM   #50 
                             - Well use your drug example  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-18-10 08:13 PM   #53 
                                - The drug example isn't racial profiling...  Violet_Crumble   Nov-18-10 08:17 PM   #58 
                                   - I guess if my passport has a visa from Egypt I expect  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-18-10 08:18 PM   #60 
                                      - But that's not racial profiling...  Violet_Crumble   Nov-18-10 08:22 PM   #64 
                                         - and their travel movements  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-18-10 08:24 PM   #65 
                                         - No, they're singled out because they're Arabs...  Violet_Crumble   Nov-18-10 08:42 PM   #74 
                                         - I am no saying that but whatever  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-18-10 08:49 PM   #77 
                                         - Security theater! Security theater!  Violet_Crumble   Nov-18-10 08:55 PM   #78 
                                         - Play whatever you want  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-18-10 08:59 PM   #79 
                                         - Well I know I'll sleep sounder tonight knowing I have yr approval to play a drinking game!  Violet_Crumble   Nov-18-10 09:09 PM   #82 
                                         - "Thank you from the bottom of my heart"  jberryhill   Nov-18-10 11:57 PM   #93 
                                         - CHEERS!  jberryhill   Nov-18-10 09:06 PM   #81 
                 - And you think it's acceptable for police on our streets to use racial profiling?  pnwmom   Nov-18-10 08:32 PM   #72 
                    - Did I say it was?  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-18-10 08:34 PM   #73 
                       - The reality of getting TO an airport on roads in Israel?  jberryhill   Nov-18-10 09:11 PM   #84 
           - Have you ever been there?  ProgressiveProfessor   Nov-18-10 07:21 PM   #22 
              - So coz you claim not to have seen something, it doesn't happen?  Violet_Crumble   Nov-18-10 07:28 PM   #24 
        - And? SOP questions and attitudes  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-18-10 06:43 PM   #14 
           - It has become apparent to me after reading this subthread....  A HERETIC I AM   Nov-18-10 09:34 PM   #88 
  - OP is on a roll  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-18-10 06:33 PM   #7 
  - Thats what we heard yesterday, on NewsHour?, from former Israeli official.  elleng   Nov-18-10 06:34 PM   #8 
  - Travelled lately?  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-18-10 06:40 PM   #12 
  - I've had a feeling that someday I would read something on the internet that was not true. This title  sally cat   Nov-18-10 07:49 PM   #32 
  - Actually I got patted down too, but no groping.  JackRiddler   Nov-19-10 02:40 AM   #96 
  - SPOT fails to do what the Israeli model excels in: passenger interaction. No comparison.  sally cat   Nov-18-10 06:33 PM   #5 
  - The Israeli model also involves training screeners in observing  pnwmom   Nov-18-10 08:07 PM   #46 
  - Yeah, because crazed jihadis carry around Arabic flash cards  XemaSab   Nov-18-10 06:36 PM   #9 
  - I thought the ACLU was concerned about TSA groping. No?  sally cat   Nov-18-10 06:37 PM   #10 
  - They would be. What's yr point? n/t  Violet_Crumble   Nov-18-10 06:55 PM   #16 
     - No, they aren't at this point. Unless you have some proof that they are?  sally cat   Nov-18-10 07:51 PM   #33 
  - And it's very expensive. I read an article in Bloomberg from 2005  riderinthestorm   Nov-18-10 07:32 PM   #25 
  - And that is the real reason it is not done  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-18-10 07:44 PM   #28 
  - i had those questions when i flew to denmark.  pansypoo53219   Nov-18-10 07:42 PM   #27 
  - "Israeli style" is your characterization, no?  Toucano   Nov-18-10 07:48 PM   #31 
  - The title is a complete fabrication. Desperately trying to discredit the successful Israeli model.  sally cat   Nov-18-10 07:53 PM   #34 
  - And see, that's what screwing everything up.  Toucano   Nov-18-10 08:12 PM   #51 
  - The Israeli model also involves training screeners in ways  pnwmom   Nov-18-10 08:09 PM   #48 
     - The Sharon Weinberger piece says the Israeli method is not SPOT.  Toucano   Nov-18-10 08:22 PM   #62 
        - It's an attempt to "imitate the Israeli system" as you correctly point out.  pnwmom   Nov-18-10 08:27 PM   #66 
        - Okay, I see why you say that.  Toucano   Nov-18-10 09:06 PM   #80 
           - It should start with the question no longer asked  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-18-10 09:10 PM   # 
           - I'm not writing a script!  Toucano   Nov-18-10 09:15 PM   #85 
              - I know, I just wanted to bring attention to the first two  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-18-10 09:18 PM   #86 
           - It should start with the question no longer asked  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-18-10 09:10 PM   #83 
        - They should go down to Mexico City  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-18-10 08:28 PM   #67 
           - They have never had an airplane terrorist attack, including decades  pnwmom   Nov-18-10 11:03 PM   #91 
  - Seems you just deemed this to be 'Israeli style'  Bluenorthwest   Nov-18-10 07:55 PM   #35 
  - Here's the issue  jberryhill   Nov-18-10 07:56 PM   #36 
  - I agree. I don't think the people who are pushing  pnwmom   Nov-18-10 08:13 PM   #52 
  - The way I've always understood it is  LawnLover   Nov-18-10 08:05 PM   #43 
  - I think we have it all ass backward.  TheKentuckian   Nov-18-10 08:15 PM   #56 
  - The Fourth Amendment is so yesterday!  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-18-10 08:17 PM   #59 
  - Yes, now folks want to take out the Fifth Amendment "Israeli Style"  jberryhill   Nov-18-10 08:29 PM   #69 
  - "Just wanting to blow the plane" was their most recent goal.  pnwmom   Nov-18-10 08:29 PM   #70 
     - The next goal may be to blow up a train, the next a bus, the next a Walmart,  TheKentuckian   Nov-18-10 09:28 PM   #87 
        - The way I see it, there are two ways to fix that;  A HERETIC I AM   Nov-18-10 09:42 PM   #89 
        - Bridges are tough  jberryhill   Nov-18-10 11:47 PM   #92 
  - Thank you ACLU. n/t  Catherina   Nov-19-10 02:10 AM   #95 
  - SPOT is a horrible program.  Lucian   Nov-19-10 02:45 AM   #97 
  - As a general principle. I think observation and interview makes more sense than  DirkGently   Nov-19-10 09:56 AM   #98 
 

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