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Thu Nov-18-10 08:47 PM
Response to Reply #71 |
| 76. Mexicans don't have to apply US Constitutional case law |
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Why would I object to whether Mexicans are violating the Fifth Amendment by conducting interrogations of passengers.
They can do that.
I object to US officials conducting non-Mirandized interrogations in the US, because it is a violation of the US Constitution.
The Mexicans have their own Constitution.
I enjoyed my trip there, and found the "red button" random search machine to be fascinating, but it is still a randomized statistical search.
Israel also has internal checkpoints, heavy surveillance of movement, electronic surveillance of foreign visitors, a population of which a majority of native adults have served in the armed forces due to compulsory service, and a lot of other factors that make the airport safer, before passengers even show up, and which we would not tolerate.
Israeli techniques in Mexico have made NO DENT in terrorist attacks on airlines in Mexico. Which were zero before they got the advice.
I am starting a drinking game, though. Everytime someone on DU says "security theater", everyone has to have a drink.
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| -ACLU says NO to Israeli style airport behavioral screening. |
pnwmom |
Nov-18-10 06:22 PM |
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I'd much rather be interviewed than groped or x-rayed. nt |
polichick |
Nov-18-10 06:29 PM |
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So, let's chuck the Fifth Amendment while we are at it? |
jberryhill |
Nov-18-10 07:47 PM |
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I saw a segment about how Israel interviews passengers and watches... |
polichick |
Nov-19-10 12:06 AM |
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The title is in error this is NOT Israeli style airport behavioral screening. In Israel agents talk |
Vincardog |
Nov-18-10 06:30 PM |
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They don't just talk, they also "observe." There are many agents |
pnwmom |
Nov-18-10 06:31 PM |
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Alas this is SOP around the world |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-18-10 06:32 PM |
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Your point is? They do not rely on Fabricated BS, They rely on time proven interview techniques. |
Vincardog |
Nov-18-10 06:33 PM |
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They rely on profiling and "face reading." |
pnwmom |
Nov-18-10 06:38 PM |
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As opposed to feeling up every passenger? I think you are o the wrong side of this. |
Vincardog |
Nov-18-10 06:41 PM |
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So it's okay to discriminate against Arabs the way Israel does? |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-18-10 06:53 PM |
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What proof do you have that they discriminate against Arabs, besides anecdotal? |
sally cat |
Nov-18-10 06:56 PM |
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Here's some proof, though I thought most people were aware of the long-term harrassment ... |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-18-10 07:08 PM |
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Blow me down Violet. I agree with you. |
riderinthestorm |
Nov-18-10 07:17 PM |
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Hey, it's good to be in agreement with you... |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-18-10 07:25 PM |
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Thanks for the link. Interesting article. n/t |
pnwmom |
Nov-18-10 10:53 PM |
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We are talking about airlines! I can't believe you went there! And it's a claim, not proof. |
sally cat |
Nov-18-10 07:46 PM |
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Yeah, how dare I and others post articles that show discrimination does indeed happen... |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-18-10 08:02 PM |
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If you google about "el al" and "racial profiling" you can find |
pnwmom |
Nov-18-10 08:04 PM |
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Apparently many people are not, Violet. Including most of the |
pnwmom |
Nov-18-10 08:01 PM |
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I'm sure some are, but don't care about discrimination unless it affects them... |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-18-10 08:07 PM |
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You mean MEXICO CITY, which was ahem israelized |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-18-10 08:10 PM |
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If Mexico City is using racial profiling, I most definately don't mean that... |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-18-10 08:14 PM |
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What part of asking questions |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-18-10 08:15 PM |
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What part of pointing out |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-18-10 08:20 PM |
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Well then don't trave to Mexico |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-18-10 08:22 PM |
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Um, why? |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-18-10 08:29 PM |
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They use the METHODS you object to |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-18-10 08:32 PM |
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So what? I can go where I like and it's none of yr business... |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-18-10 08:45 PM |
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Mexicans don't have to apply US Constitutional case law |
jberryhill |
Nov-18-10 08:47 PM |
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Could that article be any more vague? |
WinkyDink |
Nov-18-10 08:08 PM |
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It wasn't vague. What bits do you need explained to you? n/t |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-18-10 08:15 PM |
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Airport...and let me ask you a serious question |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-18-10 07:01 PM |
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What yr using as examples aren't racial profiling... |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-18-10 07:11 PM |
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What is done at US Immigration is RACIAL PROFILING |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-18-10 07:38 PM |
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What you described in yr post isn't racial profiling and here's why... |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-18-10 07:56 PM |
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you sure? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-18-10 07:58 PM |
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I'm sure. Glad to have gotten that cleared up n/t |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-18-10 08:02 PM |
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Good, we could even exchange credentials |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-18-10 08:06 PM |
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I'm not interested in swapping anything... |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-18-10 08:11 PM |
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Well use your drug example |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-18-10 08:13 PM |
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The drug example isn't racial profiling... |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-18-10 08:17 PM |
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I guess if my passport has a visa from Egypt I expect |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-18-10 08:18 PM |
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But that's not racial profiling... |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-18-10 08:22 PM |
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and their travel movements |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-18-10 08:24 PM |
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No, they're singled out because they're Arabs... |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-18-10 08:42 PM |
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I am no saying that but whatever |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-18-10 08:49 PM |
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Security theater! Security theater! |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-18-10 08:55 PM |
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Play whatever you want |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-18-10 08:59 PM |
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Well I know I'll sleep sounder tonight knowing I have yr approval to play a drinking game! |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-18-10 09:09 PM |
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"Thank you from the bottom of my heart" |
jberryhill |
Nov-18-10 11:57 PM |
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CHEERS! |
jberryhill |
Nov-18-10 09:06 PM |
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And you think it's acceptable for police on our streets to use racial profiling? |
pnwmom |
Nov-18-10 08:32 PM |
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Did I say it was? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-18-10 08:34 PM |
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The reality of getting TO an airport on roads in Israel? |
jberryhill |
Nov-18-10 09:11 PM |
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Have you ever been there? |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Nov-18-10 07:21 PM |
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So coz you claim not to have seen something, it doesn't happen? |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-18-10 07:28 PM |
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And? SOP questions and attitudes |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-18-10 06:43 PM |
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It has become apparent to me after reading this subthread.... |
A HERETIC I AM |
Nov-18-10 09:34 PM |
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OP is on a roll |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-18-10 06:33 PM |
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Thats what we heard yesterday, on NewsHour?, from former Israeli official. |
elleng |
Nov-18-10 06:34 PM |
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Travelled lately? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-18-10 06:40 PM |
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I've had a feeling that someday I would read something on the internet that was not true. This title |
sally cat |
Nov-18-10 07:49 PM |
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Actually I got patted down too, but no groping. |
JackRiddler |
Nov-19-10 02:40 AM |
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SPOT fails to do what the Israeli model excels in: passenger interaction. No comparison. |
sally cat |
Nov-18-10 06:33 PM |
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The Israeli model also involves training screeners in observing |
pnwmom |
Nov-18-10 08:07 PM |
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Yeah, because crazed jihadis carry around Arabic flash cards |
XemaSab |
Nov-18-10 06:36 PM |
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I thought the ACLU was concerned about TSA groping. No? |
sally cat |
Nov-18-10 06:37 PM |
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They would be. What's yr point? n/t |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-18-10 06:55 PM |
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No, they aren't at this point. Unless you have some proof that they are? |
sally cat |
Nov-18-10 07:51 PM |
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And it's very expensive. I read an article in Bloomberg from 2005 |
riderinthestorm |
Nov-18-10 07:32 PM |
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And that is the real reason it is not done |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-18-10 07:44 PM |
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i had those questions when i flew to denmark. |
pansypoo53219 |
Nov-18-10 07:42 PM |
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"Israeli style" is your characterization, no? |
Toucano |
Nov-18-10 07:48 PM |
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The title is a complete fabrication. Desperately trying to discredit the successful Israeli model. |
sally cat |
Nov-18-10 07:53 PM |
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And see, that's what screwing everything up. |
Toucano |
Nov-18-10 08:12 PM |
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The Israeli model also involves training screeners in ways |
pnwmom |
Nov-18-10 08:09 PM |
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The Sharon Weinberger piece says the Israeli method is not SPOT. |
Toucano |
Nov-18-10 08:22 PM |
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It's an attempt to "imitate the Israeli system" as you correctly point out. |
pnwmom |
Nov-18-10 08:27 PM |
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Okay, I see why you say that. |
Toucano |
Nov-18-10 09:06 PM |
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It should start with the question no longer asked |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-18-10 09:10 PM |
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I'm not writing a script! |
Toucano |
Nov-18-10 09:15 PM |
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I know, I just wanted to bring attention to the first two |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-18-10 09:18 PM |
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It should start with the question no longer asked |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-18-10 09:10 PM |
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They should go down to Mexico City |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-18-10 08:28 PM |
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They have never had an airplane terrorist attack, including decades |
pnwmom |
Nov-18-10 11:03 PM |
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Seems you just deemed this to be 'Israeli style' |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-18-10 07:55 PM |
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Here's the issue |
jberryhill |
Nov-18-10 07:56 PM |
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I agree. I don't think the people who are pushing |
pnwmom |
Nov-18-10 08:13 PM |
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The way I've always understood it is |
LawnLover |
Nov-18-10 08:05 PM |
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I think we have it all ass backward. |
TheKentuckian |
Nov-18-10 08:15 PM |
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The Fourth Amendment is so yesterday! |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-18-10 08:17 PM |
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Yes, now folks want to take out the Fifth Amendment "Israeli Style" |
jberryhill |
Nov-18-10 08:29 PM |
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"Just wanting to blow the plane" was their most recent goal. |
pnwmom |
Nov-18-10 08:29 PM |
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The next goal may be to blow up a train, the next a bus, the next a Walmart, |
TheKentuckian |
Nov-18-10 09:28 PM |
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The way I see it, there are two ways to fix that; |
A HERETIC I AM |
Nov-18-10 09:42 PM |
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Bridges are tough |
jberryhill |
Nov-18-10 11:47 PM |
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Thank you ACLU. n/t |
Catherina |
Nov-19-10 02:10 AM |
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SPOT is a horrible program. |
Lucian |
Nov-19-10 02:45 AM |
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As a general principle. I think observation and interview makes more sense than |
DirkGently |
Nov-19-10 09:56 AM |
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