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66. Well no. Various mental heathcare providers might make such
a determination relative to a particular person in their care.

By and large the colloquial use of it is as a disparagement, as in to be a tea-partier you must be a psychotic. The equation of a set of political beliefs/agenda items with diagnostic determinants of pscyhosis is wrong.
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  -A modest proposal on the over-use of rhetorical appeals to mental illness HereSince1628  Nov-17-10 12:39 PM   #0 
  - valid point. It is just that there are times that many of the repukes' grasp on reality seems so  BrklynLiberal   Nov-17-10 12:40 PM   #1 
  - The facile association doesn't need to be our final word choice  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 01:06 PM   #14 
     - ...  BrklynLiberal   Nov-17-10 01:08 PM   #15 
  - The English language is astonishing in its depth and range;  enlightenment   Nov-17-10 12:41 PM   #2 
  - I have a large vocabulary and use all of them  Warpy   Nov-17-10 12:42 PM   #3 
  - Yes, I think we all slip back.  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 12:44 PM   #5 
  - Very well put. Thanks! n/t  DawgHouse   Nov-17-10 12:43 PM   #4 
  - I respect your views...  hlthe2b   Nov-17-10 12:48 PM   #6 
  - I'm just proposing that people try to do better on this.  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 12:58 PM   #11 
  - You seem to lump a lot together...  hlthe2b   Nov-17-10 01:15 PM   #20 
     - I think those words DO have some relavance to what I am concerned about  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 01:29 PM   #29 
        - Are you equating suggesting RW is "wacko" with saying someone  hlthe2b   Nov-17-10 03:05 PM   #84 
           - NAMI had a great anti-stigma campaign going in the earlier part of this decade.  EFerrari   Nov-17-10 03:23 PM   #91 
              - "So ingrained in our culture, we don't see it..."  hlthe2b   Nov-17-10 03:34 PM   #94 
                 - With all respect, I don't see anyone on this thread who has to manage  EFerrari   Nov-17-10 03:47 PM   #97 
                 - With all respect, I sincerly do not understand your reply...  hlthe2b   Nov-17-10 04:07 PM   #106 
                 - There was a time that white people didn't see any problem with the "n" word, either.  bobbolink   Nov-17-10 03:52 PM   #99 
                    - And plenty of equivalents today...  Posteritatis   Nov-17-10 04:07 PM   #105 
                    - Tolerance goes beyond language and includes  hlthe2b   Nov-17-10 04:12 PM   #111 
                    - Appearance is first impression, language is second.  bobbolink   Nov-17-10 04:33 PM   #123 
                    - Wrong. There were always some who never used that word.  RaleighNCDUer   Nov-17-10 04:38 PM   #125 
                       - Calling me or anyone else "too sensitive" is a personal attack, and you need to take  bobbolink   Nov-17-10 04:59 PM   #129 
                          - Beg your pardon, but it is YOU who is putting yourself down.  RaleighNCDUer   Nov-17-10 05:11 PM   #132 
  - I, also, think that those in power demonstrate mental illness by their power.  bobbolink   Nov-17-10 01:03 PM   #13 
  - Bobbolink, you miss the point...  hlthe2b   Nov-17-10 01:12 PM   #18 
     - And I believe that you, have, too.  bobbolink   Nov-17-10 01:17 PM   #22 
        - You seem to want to make a disagreement where none exists...  hlthe2b   Nov-17-10 01:18 PM   #24 
           - There are very few here on DU who are qualified to make those diagnoses.  bobbolink   Nov-17-10 01:21 PM   #26 
           - That is the regular MO. It always seems to be "Embrace my opinion, because  Obamanaut   Nov-17-10 04:48 PM   #127 
  - I think they actually often are.  Posteritatis   Nov-17-10 01:53 PM   #58 
     - Of course I share your disdain for what you describe...  hlthe2b   Nov-17-10 03:09 PM   #86 
        - No one was called out in the OP or in my replies.  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 03:19 PM   #89 
           - The reference was not made to you, but to others responding  hlthe2b   Nov-17-10 03:27 PM   #92 
  - No but what else could it be?  mmonk   Nov-17-10 12:50 PM   #7 
  - As a writer, I'm afraid I'll continue to feel free  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 12:51 PM   #8 
  - So, it matters not to you if you hurt others in the process? Is that it?  bobbolink   Nov-17-10 12:56 PM   #10 
  - I'm not big on censorship. Sorry.  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 01:10 PM   #16 
  - Thank you for clarifying. We now know where you stand... and it ain't on the side of sensitivity.  bobbolink   Nov-17-10 01:14 PM   #19 
  - I would never censor someone else from using either of those words  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 01:21 PM   #25 
  - You might want to check the rules for DU.. those words are banned here.  bobbolink   Nov-17-10 01:30 PM   #31 
     - And many of us would rather live in a society where we're free to express ourselves.  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 01:37 PM   #37 
        - You're free to do that elsewhere, and you are also free to accept the disapproval of those who want  bobbolink   Nov-17-10 01:40 PM   #41 
           - Define a caring society for me  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 01:46 PM   #49 
              - You have given your definition. Many of us disagree and don't care to live in the society  bobbolink   Nov-17-10 01:50 PM   #54 
              - It's amazing to me how intolerant people can be, yet call  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 01:58 PM   #63 
              - It is apparent that you wish to find points of disagreement and take this thread elsewhere  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 01:52 PM   #55 
                 - My point sailed over your head long ago and  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 02:01 PM   #65 
                    - No, the OP is right. You took this thread in your own direction  EFerrari   Nov-17-10 03:54 PM   #100 
                       - I was responding directly to the spirit of the OP's post in every instance.  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 04:16 PM   #112 
  - So, how's the work on the False Equivalency Project coming along??  cliffordu   Nov-17-10 04:11 PM   #110 
  - I'm not a fan of censorship, either.  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 01:18 PM   #23 
     - No need to PM, we can discuss it here.  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 01:32 PM   #32 
  - Who is hurt by that?  RaleighNCDUer   Nov-17-10 01:41 PM   #43 
     - It is clear from this thread that many on DU have no concern whether others are hurt.  bobbolink   Nov-17-10 01:47 PM   #50 
        - I was around more than a few decades ago and  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 01:56 PM   #62 
        - Re words that are now slurs but were generally accepted. I refer you to Mark Twain  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 02:09 PM   #70 
        - apples and lug nuts.  RaleighNCDUer   Nov-17-10 02:00 PM   #64 
           - I suggest you take this up with the admins, and find out what the rules are.  bobbolink   Nov-17-10 02:18 PM   #75 
              - Bobbolink, I've been here far longer than you--since 2001  hlthe2b   Nov-17-10 03:19 PM   #90 
  - I only ask for consideration of choosing the best word in your lexicon  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 12:59 PM   #12 
     - It's not a matter of "best." Who's to judge what's "best?"  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 01:12 PM   #17 
        - Well, YOU are the best person to judge what word is best in your posts/replies  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 01:24 PM   #28 
           - You gave us a LIST of words  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 01:34 PM   #33 
              - I did give an incomplete list as a starting place, but  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 01:39 PM   #40 
                 - Your context is clear. You want to instruct us how to  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 01:44 PM   #44 
                 - No, I want to provide you with a starting place to think about word choice  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 01:48 PM   #51 
                    - Do you even realize the arrogance in that statement?  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 01:53 PM   #56 
                       - I thought my proposal begged examples. I provided them.  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 02:29 PM   #77 
                       - Saying a statement is arrogant is far different than  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 04:22 PM   #117 
                       - How is offering a list of words that can be used instead of slurs  EFerrari   Nov-17-10 02:29 PM   #78 
                          - The arrogance comes from the statement that we need to chose "the best"  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 04:20 PM   #116 
                 - Please explain how 'irrational' is better than 'wacko'. nt  RaleighNCDUer   Nov-17-10 01:45 PM   #47 
                    - Irrational describes a thought process where wacko dismisses a person?  EFerrari   Nov-17-10 01:53 PM   #57 
                    - I'd say irrational pretty much dismisses a person, too.  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 01:54 PM   #60 
                    - Well, that would depend upon how it's used.  EFerrari   Nov-17-10 02:11 PM   #72 
                       - Not a slur - an observation.  RaleighNCDUer   Nov-17-10 04:18 PM   #113 
                       - EXACTLY!!!! The meaning of words and the offense they cause  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 04:24 PM   #118 
                          - My Dad...  Biker13   Nov-17-10 05:16 PM   #133 
                          - As a wordsmith, you surely know that the meaning of a word  EFerrari   Nov-17-10 09:31 PM   #139 
                             - Context and meaning are certainly important, but don't forget intent  LawnLover   Nov-18-10 01:37 AM   #140 
                    - Is that an answer or a question?  RaleighNCDUer   Nov-17-10 04:04 PM   #103 
                       - You seem to be in your own crisis of meaning.  EFerrari   Nov-17-10 04:07 PM   #107 
                    - Irrational can be used disparagingly, but it doesn't mean crazy  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 02:14 PM   #74 
  - Thank you very much for posting this! I also posted a request to not use the "r" word.  bobbolink   Nov-17-10 12:55 PM   #9 
  - What I find particularly annoying is your insistence that there's a better way to express ourselves  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 01:16 PM   #21 
  - I am nonplussed by the notion that asking people to choose the best words  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 01:22 PM   #27 
  - I am nonplussed that you don't get the problem with that  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 01:36 PM   #35 
     - So your objection is that my post is an appeal to politically correct bullshit  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 02:49 PM   #82 
        - bullshit  RaleighNCDUer   Nov-17-10 03:07 PM   #85 
        - Oh, if you only knew of my life on a general farm  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 03:13 PM   #87 
        - Hahahahahahaha  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 04:30 PM   #121 
  - You'd think that someone who appreciates language as much as a writer does  EFerrari   Nov-17-10 01:54 PM   #61 
     - Yes! And sometimes that word may offend. There are many to choose from and  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 02:04 PM   #69 
        - You seem to be mixing up "choice" with "prescription".  EFerrari   Nov-17-10 02:13 PM   #73 
           - Yes, I AM my own word police and I'd like it remain so,  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 04:28 PM   #119 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-17-10 01:30 PM   #30 
  - Yea, there is a good idea . . . NOT.  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 01:36 PM   #36 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-17-10 01:45 PM   #46 
  - Interesting equation of "retarded" with mental illness in general there... (nt)  Posteritatis   Nov-17-10 01:38 PM   #39 
  - K&R  bobbolink   Nov-17-10 01:34 PM   #34 
  - Be that as it may, when talking about Beck the only appropriate words  RaleighNCDUer   Nov-17-10 01:37 PM   #38 
  - So I ask the author of the OP, how does  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 01:40 PM   #42 
  - Word choice is a matter of available lexicon and need  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 01:46 PM   #48 
  - IOW, only psychiatrists are allowed to use the word 'psychotic'.  RaleighNCDUer   Nov-17-10 01:49 PM   #52 
  - Well no. Various mental heathcare providers might make such  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 02:02 PM   #66 
  - The larger point is that "psychotic" has a meaning beyond  EFerrari   Nov-17-10 02:03 PM   #67 
     - Of course it does. And i would only use it talking about someone like  RaleighNCDUer   Nov-17-10 03:38 PM   #95 
        - "Political correctness" is what the right wing calls common courtesy.  EFerrari   Nov-17-10 03:52 PM   #98 
        - Since you speak with such certainty that Beck is psychotic,I am assuming that you are a psychiatrist  bobbolink   Nov-17-10 03:57 PM   #101 
           - I never treated Hitler, and I think it's safe to make the claim that he  RaleighNCDUer   Nov-17-10 04:29 PM   #120 
  - Oh, for crap's sake  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 01:49 PM   #53 
  - I don't know why you think the OP is hard of "hearing'.  EFerrari   Nov-17-10 02:09 PM   #71 
     - And I would think you'd understand  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 04:32 PM   #122 
  - When the ravings of a psychotic are flooding the airwaves, the best  RaleighNCDUer   Nov-17-10 03:17 PM   #88 
     - Well I am not going to follow your trap into defending Hitler.  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 04:02 PM   #102 
     - When you hear someone you don't like on the airwaves  EFerrari   Nov-17-10 04:05 PM   #104 
  - Great question. Virginia Woolf was likely schizophrenic.  EFerrari   Nov-17-10 02:48 PM   #81 
     - Yes. With her, the only appropriate term - when discussing her mental condition -  RaleighNCDUer   Nov-17-10 03:28 PM   #93 
        - You are using the terms of mental illness to register your dislike of Beck.  EFerrari   Nov-17-10 03:44 PM   #96 
           - That's just the point - WHY is Beck an anti-social grifter? From the  RaleighNCDUer   Nov-17-10 05:02 PM   #130 
              - If you are under the impression that people who are anti-social  EFerrari   Nov-17-10 06:26 PM   #136 
                 - I said no such thing, and you know it.  RaleighNCDUer   Nov-18-10 09:01 AM   #141 
  - Is referring to something as "idiotic" offensive to idiots?  Throd   Nov-17-10 01:44 PM   #45 
  - Perhaps...but you wish to play in semantic eddies  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 01:54 PM   #59 
     - I'm not looking to offend anyone.  Throd   Nov-17-10 02:03 PM   #68 
        - For those of us who live with mental illness in our family  EFerrari   Nov-17-10 02:27 PM   #76 
  - May I add this thought  Bragi   Nov-17-10 02:32 PM   #79 
  - Something both funny--and insensitive...  pinboy3niner   Nov-17-10 02:40 PM   #80 
  - It's funny because as someone who has spent a week at a time  EFerrari   Nov-17-10 02:55 PM   #83 
  - Well........  cliffordu   Nov-17-10 04:08 PM   #108 
  - DO you have a dog in this fight?  cliffordu   Nov-17-10 04:09 PM   #109 
  - I've got multiple diagnoses,  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 04:19 PM   #115 
     - I have a response to this above this -  cliffordu   Nov-17-10 07:15 PM   #137 
  - I honestly believe Glen Beck is mentally ill. I had two mentally ill brothers,  Pathwalker   Nov-17-10 04:18 PM   #114 
  - It's about the environment to which we contribute  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 04:34 PM   #124 
     - Ok. I dont like to see the nasty vergabe, either. I agree that people  Pathwalker   Nov-17-10 05:50 PM   #135 
  - I'm sympathetic, but can't agree here.  DirkGently   Nov-17-10 04:44 PM   #126 
  - This isn't about the using words without consideration of their context  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 05:17 PM   #134 
  - Feeble?  boppers   Nov-17-10 04:50 PM   #128 
  - What's with all the unrecs?  rucky   Nov-17-10 05:04 PM   #131 
  - K&R  proud2BlibKansan   Nov-17-10 09:15 PM   #138 

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