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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 02:00 PM
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64. apples and lug nuts.
there is no correlation between 'wacko' and 'the n word'. Wacko is a description of observed attitudes or behaviors of a person, such attitudes and behaviors being so far removed from common experience that they stand out. It is particularized to the specific individual being commented on. It is not a generic term, derogatory or no, applied to a class or race or otherwise disparate group which is reflected in that particular.

IOW, no matter a person's mental health diagnosis, that person would have to be nuts to take a comment about Beck personally.

Incidentally, I've known a lot of people who are nuts - locked ward type - and they would be the last to infer that 'Beck is a wacko' in any way reflected on them. In fact, they are far more honest, and far less sensitive, to such terms than most "sane" people because they have to face and deal with their illness on a daily basis.
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  -A modest proposal on the over-use of rhetorical appeals to mental illness HereSince1628  Nov-17-10 12:39 PM   #0 
  - valid point. It is just that there are times that many of the repukes' grasp on reality seems so  BrklynLiberal   Nov-17-10 12:40 PM   #1 
  - The facile association doesn't need to be our final word choice  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 01:06 PM   #14 
     - ...  BrklynLiberal   Nov-17-10 01:08 PM   #15 
  - The English language is astonishing in its depth and range;  enlightenment   Nov-17-10 12:41 PM   #2 
  - I have a large vocabulary and use all of them  Warpy   Nov-17-10 12:42 PM   #3 
  - Yes, I think we all slip back.  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 12:44 PM   #5 
  - Very well put. Thanks! n/t  DawgHouse   Nov-17-10 12:43 PM   #4 
  - I respect your views...  hlthe2b   Nov-17-10 12:48 PM   #6 
  - I'm just proposing that people try to do better on this.  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 12:58 PM   #11 
  - You seem to lump a lot together...  hlthe2b   Nov-17-10 01:15 PM   #20 
     - I think those words DO have some relavance to what I am concerned about  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 01:29 PM   #29 
        - Are you equating suggesting RW is "wacko" with saying someone  hlthe2b   Nov-17-10 03:05 PM   #84 
           - NAMI had a great anti-stigma campaign going in the earlier part of this decade.  EFerrari   Nov-17-10 03:23 PM   #91 
              - "So ingrained in our culture, we don't see it..."  hlthe2b   Nov-17-10 03:34 PM   #94 
                 - With all respect, I don't see anyone on this thread who has to manage  EFerrari   Nov-17-10 03:47 PM   #97 
                 - With all respect, I sincerly do not understand your reply...  hlthe2b   Nov-17-10 04:07 PM   #106 
                 - There was a time that white people didn't see any problem with the "n" word, either.  bobbolink   Nov-17-10 03:52 PM   #99 
                    - And plenty of equivalents today...  Posteritatis   Nov-17-10 04:07 PM   #105 
                    - Tolerance goes beyond language and includes  hlthe2b   Nov-17-10 04:12 PM   #111 
                    - Appearance is first impression, language is second.  bobbolink   Nov-17-10 04:33 PM   #123 
                    - Wrong. There were always some who never used that word.  RaleighNCDUer   Nov-17-10 04:38 PM   #125 
                       - Calling me or anyone else "too sensitive" is a personal attack, and you need to take  bobbolink   Nov-17-10 04:59 PM   #129 
                          - Beg your pardon, but it is YOU who is putting yourself down.  RaleighNCDUer   Nov-17-10 05:11 PM   #132 
  - I, also, think that those in power demonstrate mental illness by their power.  bobbolink   Nov-17-10 01:03 PM   #13 
  - Bobbolink, you miss the point...  hlthe2b   Nov-17-10 01:12 PM   #18 
     - And I believe that you, have, too.  bobbolink   Nov-17-10 01:17 PM   #22 
        - You seem to want to make a disagreement where none exists...  hlthe2b   Nov-17-10 01:18 PM   #24 
           - There are very few here on DU who are qualified to make those diagnoses.  bobbolink   Nov-17-10 01:21 PM   #26 
           - That is the regular MO. It always seems to be "Embrace my opinion, because  Obamanaut   Nov-17-10 04:48 PM   #127 
  - I think they actually often are.  Posteritatis   Nov-17-10 01:53 PM   #58 
     - Of course I share your disdain for what you describe...  hlthe2b   Nov-17-10 03:09 PM   #86 
        - No one was called out in the OP or in my replies.  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 03:19 PM   #89 
           - The reference was not made to you, but to others responding  hlthe2b   Nov-17-10 03:27 PM   #92 
  - No but what else could it be?  mmonk   Nov-17-10 12:50 PM   #7 
  - As a writer, I'm afraid I'll continue to feel free  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 12:51 PM   #8 
  - So, it matters not to you if you hurt others in the process? Is that it?  bobbolink   Nov-17-10 12:56 PM   #10 
  - I'm not big on censorship. Sorry.  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 01:10 PM   #16 
  - Thank you for clarifying. We now know where you stand... and it ain't on the side of sensitivity.  bobbolink   Nov-17-10 01:14 PM   #19 
  - I would never censor someone else from using either of those words  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 01:21 PM   #25 
  - You might want to check the rules for DU.. those words are banned here.  bobbolink   Nov-17-10 01:30 PM   #31 
     - And many of us would rather live in a society where we're free to express ourselves.  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 01:37 PM   #37 
        - You're free to do that elsewhere, and you are also free to accept the disapproval of those who want  bobbolink   Nov-17-10 01:40 PM   #41 
           - Define a caring society for me  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 01:46 PM   #49 
              - You have given your definition. Many of us disagree and don't care to live in the society  bobbolink   Nov-17-10 01:50 PM   #54 
              - It's amazing to me how intolerant people can be, yet call  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 01:58 PM   #63 
              - It is apparent that you wish to find points of disagreement and take this thread elsewhere  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 01:52 PM   #55 
                 - My point sailed over your head long ago and  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 02:01 PM   #65 
                    - No, the OP is right. You took this thread in your own direction  EFerrari   Nov-17-10 03:54 PM   #100 
                       - I was responding directly to the spirit of the OP's post in every instance.  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 04:16 PM   #112 
  - So, how's the work on the False Equivalency Project coming along??  cliffordu   Nov-17-10 04:11 PM   #110 
  - I'm not a fan of censorship, either.  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 01:18 PM   #23 
     - No need to PM, we can discuss it here.  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 01:32 PM   #32 
  - Who is hurt by that?  RaleighNCDUer   Nov-17-10 01:41 PM   #43 
     - It is clear from this thread that many on DU have no concern whether others are hurt.  bobbolink   Nov-17-10 01:47 PM   #50 
        - I was around more than a few decades ago and  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 01:56 PM   #62 
        - Re words that are now slurs but were generally accepted. I refer you to Mark Twain  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 02:09 PM   #70 
        - apples and lug nuts.  RaleighNCDUer   Nov-17-10 02:00 PM   #64 
           - I suggest you take this up with the admins, and find out what the rules are.  bobbolink   Nov-17-10 02:18 PM   #75 
              - Bobbolink, I've been here far longer than you--since 2001  hlthe2b   Nov-17-10 03:19 PM   #90 
  - I only ask for consideration of choosing the best word in your lexicon  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 12:59 PM   #12 
     - It's not a matter of "best." Who's to judge what's "best?"  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 01:12 PM   #17 
        - Well, YOU are the best person to judge what word is best in your posts/replies  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 01:24 PM   #28 
           - You gave us a LIST of words  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 01:34 PM   #33 
              - I did give an incomplete list as a starting place, but  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 01:39 PM   #40 
                 - Your context is clear. You want to instruct us how to  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 01:44 PM   #44 
                 - No, I want to provide you with a starting place to think about word choice  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 01:48 PM   #51 
                    - Do you even realize the arrogance in that statement?  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 01:53 PM   #56 
                       - I thought my proposal begged examples. I provided them.  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 02:29 PM   #77 
                       - Saying a statement is arrogant is far different than  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 04:22 PM   #117 
                       - How is offering a list of words that can be used instead of slurs  EFerrari   Nov-17-10 02:29 PM   #78 
                          - The arrogance comes from the statement that we need to chose "the best"  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 04:20 PM   #116 
                 - Please explain how 'irrational' is better than 'wacko'. nt  RaleighNCDUer   Nov-17-10 01:45 PM   #47 
                    - Irrational describes a thought process where wacko dismisses a person?  EFerrari   Nov-17-10 01:53 PM   #57 
                    - I'd say irrational pretty much dismisses a person, too.  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 01:54 PM   #60 
                    - Well, that would depend upon how it's used.  EFerrari   Nov-17-10 02:11 PM   #72 
                       - Not a slur - an observation.  RaleighNCDUer   Nov-17-10 04:18 PM   #113 
                       - EXACTLY!!!! The meaning of words and the offense they cause  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 04:24 PM   #118 
                          - My Dad...  Biker13   Nov-17-10 05:16 PM   #133 
                          - As a wordsmith, you surely know that the meaning of a word  EFerrari   Nov-17-10 09:31 PM   #139 
                             - Context and meaning are certainly important, but don't forget intent  LawnLover   Nov-18-10 01:37 AM   #140 
                    - Is that an answer or a question?  RaleighNCDUer   Nov-17-10 04:04 PM   #103 
                       - You seem to be in your own crisis of meaning.  EFerrari   Nov-17-10 04:07 PM   #107 
                    - Irrational can be used disparagingly, but it doesn't mean crazy  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 02:14 PM   #74 
  - Thank you very much for posting this! I also posted a request to not use the "r" word.  bobbolink   Nov-17-10 12:55 PM   #9 
  - What I find particularly annoying is your insistence that there's a better way to express ourselves  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 01:16 PM   #21 
  - I am nonplussed by the notion that asking people to choose the best words  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 01:22 PM   #27 
  - I am nonplussed that you don't get the problem with that  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 01:36 PM   #35 
     - So your objection is that my post is an appeal to politically correct bullshit  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 02:49 PM   #82 
        - bullshit  RaleighNCDUer   Nov-17-10 03:07 PM   #85 
        - Oh, if you only knew of my life on a general farm  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 03:13 PM   #87 
        - Hahahahahahaha  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 04:30 PM   #121 
  - You'd think that someone who appreciates language as much as a writer does  EFerrari   Nov-17-10 01:54 PM   #61 
     - Yes! And sometimes that word may offend. There are many to choose from and  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 02:04 PM   #69 
        - You seem to be mixing up "choice" with "prescription".  EFerrari   Nov-17-10 02:13 PM   #73 
           - Yes, I AM my own word police and I'd like it remain so,  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 04:28 PM   #119 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-17-10 01:30 PM   #30 
  - Yea, there is a good idea . . . NOT.  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 01:36 PM   #36 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-17-10 01:45 PM   #46 
  - Interesting equation of "retarded" with mental illness in general there... (nt)  Posteritatis   Nov-17-10 01:38 PM   #39 
  - K&R  bobbolink   Nov-17-10 01:34 PM   #34 
  - Be that as it may, when talking about Beck the only appropriate words  RaleighNCDUer   Nov-17-10 01:37 PM   #38 
  - So I ask the author of the OP, how does  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 01:40 PM   #42 
  - Word choice is a matter of available lexicon and need  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 01:46 PM   #48 
  - IOW, only psychiatrists are allowed to use the word 'psychotic'.  RaleighNCDUer   Nov-17-10 01:49 PM   #52 
  - Well no. Various mental heathcare providers might make such  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 02:02 PM   #66 
  - The larger point is that "psychotic" has a meaning beyond  EFerrari   Nov-17-10 02:03 PM   #67 
     - Of course it does. And i would only use it talking about someone like  RaleighNCDUer   Nov-17-10 03:38 PM   #95 
        - "Political correctness" is what the right wing calls common courtesy.  EFerrari   Nov-17-10 03:52 PM   #98 
        - Since you speak with such certainty that Beck is psychotic,I am assuming that you are a psychiatrist  bobbolink   Nov-17-10 03:57 PM   #101 
           - I never treated Hitler, and I think it's safe to make the claim that he  RaleighNCDUer   Nov-17-10 04:29 PM   #120 
  - Oh, for crap's sake  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 01:49 PM   #53 
  - I don't know why you think the OP is hard of "hearing'.  EFerrari   Nov-17-10 02:09 PM   #71 
     - And I would think you'd understand  LawnLover   Nov-17-10 04:32 PM   #122 
  - When the ravings of a psychotic are flooding the airwaves, the best  RaleighNCDUer   Nov-17-10 03:17 PM   #88 
     - Well I am not going to follow your trap into defending Hitler.  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 04:02 PM   #102 
     - When you hear someone you don't like on the airwaves  EFerrari   Nov-17-10 04:05 PM   #104 
  - Great question. Virginia Woolf was likely schizophrenic.  EFerrari   Nov-17-10 02:48 PM   #81 
     - Yes. With her, the only appropriate term - when discussing her mental condition -  RaleighNCDUer   Nov-17-10 03:28 PM   #93 
        - You are using the terms of mental illness to register your dislike of Beck.  EFerrari   Nov-17-10 03:44 PM   #96 
           - That's just the point - WHY is Beck an anti-social grifter? From the  RaleighNCDUer   Nov-17-10 05:02 PM   #130 
              - If you are under the impression that people who are anti-social  EFerrari   Nov-17-10 06:26 PM   #136 
                 - I said no such thing, and you know it.  RaleighNCDUer   Nov-18-10 09:01 AM   #141 
  - Is referring to something as "idiotic" offensive to idiots?  Throd   Nov-17-10 01:44 PM   #45 
  - Perhaps...but you wish to play in semantic eddies  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 01:54 PM   #59 
     - I'm not looking to offend anyone.  Throd   Nov-17-10 02:03 PM   #68 
        - For those of us who live with mental illness in our family  EFerrari   Nov-17-10 02:27 PM   #76 
  - May I add this thought  Bragi   Nov-17-10 02:32 PM   #79 
  - Something both funny--and insensitive...  pinboy3niner   Nov-17-10 02:40 PM   #80 
  - It's funny because as someone who has spent a week at a time  EFerrari   Nov-17-10 02:55 PM   #83 
  - Well........  cliffordu   Nov-17-10 04:08 PM   #108 
  - DO you have a dog in this fight?  cliffordu   Nov-17-10 04:09 PM   #109 
  - I've got multiple diagnoses,  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 04:19 PM   #115 
     - I have a response to this above this -  cliffordu   Nov-17-10 07:15 PM   #137 
  - I honestly believe Glen Beck is mentally ill. I had two mentally ill brothers,  Pathwalker   Nov-17-10 04:18 PM   #114 
  - It's about the environment to which we contribute  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 04:34 PM   #124 
     - Ok. I dont like to see the nasty vergabe, either. I agree that people  Pathwalker   Nov-17-10 05:50 PM   #135 
  - I'm sympathetic, but can't agree here.  DirkGently   Nov-17-10 04:44 PM   #126 
  - This isn't about the using words without consideration of their context  HereSince1628   Nov-17-10 05:17 PM   #134 
  - Feeble?  boppers   Nov-17-10 04:50 PM   #128 
  - What's with all the unrecs?  rucky   Nov-17-10 05:04 PM   #131 
  - K&R  proud2BlibKansan   Nov-17-10 09:15 PM   #138 

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