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Wed Nov-17-10 01:46 PM
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| 48. Word choice is a matter of available lexicon and need |
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The accurate application of words such as psychotic requires technical expertise and opportunity to interview the source that is completely unavailable to persons who are not providing counseling/therapy to Mr Beck.
I encourage you to make the best word choices in your lexicon.
I am pointing out only this caveat. Our language is full of words by which we disparage and dissociate US from THEM. It is an unfortunate reality that many of these words unfairly and hurtfully refer to some of those among US.
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| -A modest proposal on the over-use of rhetorical appeals to mental illness |
HereSince1628 |
Nov-17-10 12:39 PM |
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valid point. It is just that there are times that many of the repukes' grasp on reality seems so |
BrklynLiberal |
Nov-17-10 12:40 PM |
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The facile association doesn't need to be our final word choice |
HereSince1628 |
Nov-17-10 01:06 PM |
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... |
BrklynLiberal |
Nov-17-10 01:08 PM |
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The English language is astonishing in its depth and range; |
enlightenment |
Nov-17-10 12:41 PM |
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I have a large vocabulary and use all of them |
Warpy |
Nov-17-10 12:42 PM |
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Yes, I think we all slip back. |
HereSince1628 |
Nov-17-10 12:44 PM |
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Very well put. Thanks! n/t |
DawgHouse |
Nov-17-10 12:43 PM |
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I respect your views... |
hlthe2b |
Nov-17-10 12:48 PM |
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I'm just proposing that people try to do better on this. |
HereSince1628 |
Nov-17-10 12:58 PM |
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You seem to lump a lot together... |
hlthe2b |
Nov-17-10 01:15 PM |
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I think those words DO have some relavance to what I am concerned about |
HereSince1628 |
Nov-17-10 01:29 PM |
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Are you equating suggesting RW is "wacko" with saying someone |
hlthe2b |
Nov-17-10 03:05 PM |
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NAMI had a great anti-stigma campaign going in the earlier part of this decade. |
EFerrari |
Nov-17-10 03:23 PM |
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"So ingrained in our culture, we don't see it..." |
hlthe2b |
Nov-17-10 03:34 PM |
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With all respect, I don't see anyone on this thread who has to manage |
EFerrari |
Nov-17-10 03:47 PM |
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With all respect, I sincerly do not understand your reply... |
hlthe2b |
Nov-17-10 04:07 PM |
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There was a time that white people didn't see any problem with the "n" word, either. |
bobbolink |
Nov-17-10 03:52 PM |
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And plenty of equivalents today... |
Posteritatis |
Nov-17-10 04:07 PM |
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Tolerance goes beyond language and includes |
hlthe2b |
Nov-17-10 04:12 PM |
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Appearance is first impression, language is second. |
bobbolink |
Nov-17-10 04:33 PM |
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Wrong. There were always some who never used that word. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Nov-17-10 04:38 PM |
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Calling me or anyone else "too sensitive" is a personal attack, and you need to take |
bobbolink |
Nov-17-10 04:59 PM |
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Beg your pardon, but it is YOU who is putting yourself down. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Nov-17-10 05:11 PM |
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I, also, think that those in power demonstrate mental illness by their power. |
bobbolink |
Nov-17-10 01:03 PM |
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Bobbolink, you miss the point... |
hlthe2b |
Nov-17-10 01:12 PM |
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And I believe that you, have, too. |
bobbolink |
Nov-17-10 01:17 PM |
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You seem to want to make a disagreement where none exists... |
hlthe2b |
Nov-17-10 01:18 PM |
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There are very few here on DU who are qualified to make those diagnoses. |
bobbolink |
Nov-17-10 01:21 PM |
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That is the regular MO. It always seems to be "Embrace my opinion, because |
Obamanaut |
Nov-17-10 04:48 PM |
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I think they actually often are. |
Posteritatis |
Nov-17-10 01:53 PM |
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Of course I share your disdain for what you describe... |
hlthe2b |
Nov-17-10 03:09 PM |
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No one was called out in the OP or in my replies. |
HereSince1628 |
Nov-17-10 03:19 PM |
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The reference was not made to you, but to others responding |
hlthe2b |
Nov-17-10 03:27 PM |
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No but what else could it be? |
mmonk |
Nov-17-10 12:50 PM |
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As a writer, I'm afraid I'll continue to feel free |
LawnLover |
Nov-17-10 12:51 PM |
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So, it matters not to you if you hurt others in the process? Is that it? |
bobbolink |
Nov-17-10 12:56 PM |
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I'm not big on censorship. Sorry. |
LawnLover |
Nov-17-10 01:10 PM |
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Thank you for clarifying. We now know where you stand... and it ain't on the side of sensitivity. |
bobbolink |
Nov-17-10 01:14 PM |
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I would never censor someone else from using either of those words |
LawnLover |
Nov-17-10 01:21 PM |
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You might want to check the rules for DU.. those words are banned here. |
bobbolink |
Nov-17-10 01:30 PM |
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And many of us would rather live in a society where we're free to express ourselves. |
LawnLover |
Nov-17-10 01:37 PM |
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You're free to do that elsewhere, and you are also free to accept the disapproval of those who want |
bobbolink |
Nov-17-10 01:40 PM |
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Define a caring society for me |
LawnLover |
Nov-17-10 01:46 PM |
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You have given your definition. Many of us disagree and don't care to live in the society |
bobbolink |
Nov-17-10 01:50 PM |
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It's amazing to me how intolerant people can be, yet call |
LawnLover |
Nov-17-10 01:58 PM |
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It is apparent that you wish to find points of disagreement and take this thread elsewhere |
HereSince1628 |
Nov-17-10 01:52 PM |
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My point sailed over your head long ago and |
LawnLover |
Nov-17-10 02:01 PM |
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No, the OP is right. You took this thread in your own direction |
EFerrari |
Nov-17-10 03:54 PM |
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I was responding directly to the spirit of the OP's post in every instance. |
LawnLover |
Nov-17-10 04:16 PM |
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So, how's the work on the False Equivalency Project coming along?? |
cliffordu |
Nov-17-10 04:11 PM |
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I'm not a fan of censorship, either. |
HereSince1628 |
Nov-17-10 01:18 PM |
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No need to PM, we can discuss it here. |
LawnLover |
Nov-17-10 01:32 PM |
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Who is hurt by that? |
RaleighNCDUer |
Nov-17-10 01:41 PM |
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It is clear from this thread that many on DU have no concern whether others are hurt. |
bobbolink |
Nov-17-10 01:47 PM |
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I was around more than a few decades ago and |
LawnLover |
Nov-17-10 01:56 PM |
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Re words that are now slurs but were generally accepted. I refer you to Mark Twain |
HereSince1628 |
Nov-17-10 02:09 PM |
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apples and lug nuts. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Nov-17-10 02:00 PM |
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I suggest you take this up with the admins, and find out what the rules are. |
bobbolink |
Nov-17-10 02:18 PM |
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Bobbolink, I've been here far longer than you--since 2001 |
hlthe2b |
Nov-17-10 03:19 PM |
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I only ask for consideration of choosing the best word in your lexicon |
HereSince1628 |
Nov-17-10 12:59 PM |
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It's not a matter of "best." Who's to judge what's "best?" |
LawnLover |
Nov-17-10 01:12 PM |
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Well, YOU are the best person to judge what word is best in your posts/replies |
HereSince1628 |
Nov-17-10 01:24 PM |
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You gave us a LIST of words |
LawnLover |
Nov-17-10 01:34 PM |
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I did give an incomplete list as a starting place, but |
HereSince1628 |
Nov-17-10 01:39 PM |
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Your context is clear. You want to instruct us how to |
LawnLover |
Nov-17-10 01:44 PM |
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No, I want to provide you with a starting place to think about word choice |
HereSince1628 |
Nov-17-10 01:48 PM |
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Do you even realize the arrogance in that statement? |
LawnLover |
Nov-17-10 01:53 PM |
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I thought my proposal begged examples. I provided them. |
HereSince1628 |
Nov-17-10 02:29 PM |
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Saying a statement is arrogant is far different than |
LawnLover |
Nov-17-10 04:22 PM |
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How is offering a list of words that can be used instead of slurs |
EFerrari |
Nov-17-10 02:29 PM |
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The arrogance comes from the statement that we need to chose "the best" |
LawnLover |
Nov-17-10 04:20 PM |
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Please explain how 'irrational' is better than 'wacko'. nt |
RaleighNCDUer |
Nov-17-10 01:45 PM |
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Irrational describes a thought process where wacko dismisses a person? |
EFerrari |
Nov-17-10 01:53 PM |
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I'd say irrational pretty much dismisses a person, too. |
LawnLover |
Nov-17-10 01:54 PM |
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Well, that would depend upon how it's used. |
EFerrari |
Nov-17-10 02:11 PM |
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Not a slur - an observation. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Nov-17-10 04:18 PM |
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EXACTLY!!!! The meaning of words and the offense they cause |
LawnLover |
Nov-17-10 04:24 PM |
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My Dad... |
Biker13 |
Nov-17-10 05:16 PM |
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As a wordsmith, you surely know that the meaning of a word |
EFerrari |
Nov-17-10 09:31 PM |
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Context and meaning are certainly important, but don't forget intent |
LawnLover |
Nov-18-10 01:37 AM |
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Is that an answer or a question? |
RaleighNCDUer |
Nov-17-10 04:04 PM |
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You seem to be in your own crisis of meaning. |
EFerrari |
Nov-17-10 04:07 PM |
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Irrational can be used disparagingly, but it doesn't mean crazy |
HereSince1628 |
Nov-17-10 02:14 PM |
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Thank you very much for posting this! I also posted a request to not use the "r" word. |
bobbolink |
Nov-17-10 12:55 PM |
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What I find particularly annoying is your insistence that there's a better way to express ourselves |
LawnLover |
Nov-17-10 01:16 PM |
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I am nonplussed by the notion that asking people to choose the best words |
HereSince1628 |
Nov-17-10 01:22 PM |
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I am nonplussed that you don't get the problem with that |
LawnLover |
Nov-17-10 01:36 PM |
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So your objection is that my post is an appeal to politically correct bullshit |
HereSince1628 |
Nov-17-10 02:49 PM |
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bullshit |
RaleighNCDUer |
Nov-17-10 03:07 PM |
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Oh, if you only knew of my life on a general farm |
HereSince1628 |
Nov-17-10 03:13 PM |
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Hahahahahahaha |
LawnLover |
Nov-17-10 04:30 PM |
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You'd think that someone who appreciates language as much as a writer does |
EFerrari |
Nov-17-10 01:54 PM |
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Yes! And sometimes that word may offend. There are many to choose from and |
LawnLover |
Nov-17-10 02:04 PM |
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You seem to be mixing up "choice" with "prescription". |
EFerrari |
Nov-17-10 02:13 PM |
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Yes, I AM my own word police and I'd like it remain so, |
LawnLover |
Nov-17-10 04:28 PM |
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Nov-17-10 01:30 PM |
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Yea, there is a good idea . . . NOT. |
HereSince1628 |
Nov-17-10 01:36 PM |
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Nov-17-10 01:45 PM |
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Interesting equation of "retarded" with mental illness in general there... (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Nov-17-10 01:38 PM |
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K&R |
bobbolink |
Nov-17-10 01:34 PM |
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Be that as it may, when talking about Beck the only appropriate words |
RaleighNCDUer |
Nov-17-10 01:37 PM |
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So I ask the author of the OP, how does |
LawnLover |
Nov-17-10 01:40 PM |
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Word choice is a matter of available lexicon and need |
HereSince1628 |
Nov-17-10 01:46 PM |
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IOW, only psychiatrists are allowed to use the word 'psychotic'. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Nov-17-10 01:49 PM |
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Well no. Various mental heathcare providers might make such |
HereSince1628 |
Nov-17-10 02:02 PM |
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The larger point is that "psychotic" has a meaning beyond |
EFerrari |
Nov-17-10 02:03 PM |
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Of course it does. And i would only use it talking about someone like |
RaleighNCDUer |
Nov-17-10 03:38 PM |
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"Political correctness" is what the right wing calls common courtesy. |
EFerrari |
Nov-17-10 03:52 PM |
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Since you speak with such certainty that Beck is psychotic,I am assuming that you are a psychiatrist |
bobbolink |
Nov-17-10 03:57 PM |
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I never treated Hitler, and I think it's safe to make the claim that he |
RaleighNCDUer |
Nov-17-10 04:29 PM |
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Oh, for crap's sake |
LawnLover |
Nov-17-10 01:49 PM |
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I don't know why you think the OP is hard of "hearing'. |
EFerrari |
Nov-17-10 02:09 PM |
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And I would think you'd understand |
LawnLover |
Nov-17-10 04:32 PM |
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When the ravings of a psychotic are flooding the airwaves, the best |
RaleighNCDUer |
Nov-17-10 03:17 PM |
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Well I am not going to follow your trap into defending Hitler. |
HereSince1628 |
Nov-17-10 04:02 PM |
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When you hear someone you don't like on the airwaves |
EFerrari |
Nov-17-10 04:05 PM |
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Great question. Virginia Woolf was likely schizophrenic. |
EFerrari |
Nov-17-10 02:48 PM |
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Yes. With her, the only appropriate term - when discussing her mental condition - |
RaleighNCDUer |
Nov-17-10 03:28 PM |
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You are using the terms of mental illness to register your dislike of Beck. |
EFerrari |
Nov-17-10 03:44 PM |
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That's just the point - WHY is Beck an anti-social grifter? From the |
RaleighNCDUer |
Nov-17-10 05:02 PM |
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If you are under the impression that people who are anti-social |
EFerrari |
Nov-17-10 06:26 PM |
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I said no such thing, and you know it. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Nov-18-10 09:01 AM |
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Is referring to something as "idiotic" offensive to idiots? |
Throd |
Nov-17-10 01:44 PM |
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Perhaps...but you wish to play in semantic eddies |
HereSince1628 |
Nov-17-10 01:54 PM |
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I'm not looking to offend anyone. |
Throd |
Nov-17-10 02:03 PM |
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For those of us who live with mental illness in our family |
EFerrari |
Nov-17-10 02:27 PM |
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May I add this thought |
Bragi |
Nov-17-10 02:32 PM |
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Something both funny--and insensitive... |
pinboy3niner |
Nov-17-10 02:40 PM |
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It's funny because as someone who has spent a week at a time |
EFerrari |
Nov-17-10 02:55 PM |
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Well........ |
cliffordu |
Nov-17-10 04:08 PM |
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DO you have a dog in this fight? |
cliffordu |
Nov-17-10 04:09 PM |
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I've got multiple diagnoses, |
HereSince1628 |
Nov-17-10 04:19 PM |
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I have a response to this unthread....one above this - |
cliffordu |
Nov-17-10 07:15 PM |
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I honestly believe Glen Beck is mentally ill. I had two mentally ill brothers, |
Pathwalker |
Nov-17-10 04:18 PM |
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It's about the environment to which we contribute |
HereSince1628 |
Nov-17-10 04:34 PM |
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Ok. I dont like to see the nasty vergabe, either. I agree that people |
Pathwalker |
Nov-17-10 05:50 PM |
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I'm sympathetic, but can't agree here. |
DirkGently |
Nov-17-10 04:44 PM |
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This isn't about the using words without consideration of their context |
HereSince1628 |
Nov-17-10 05:17 PM |
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Feeble? |
boppers |
Nov-17-10 04:50 PM |
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What's with all the unrecs? |
rucky |
Nov-17-10 05:04 PM |
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K&R |
proud2BlibKansan |
Nov-17-10 09:15 PM |
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