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Thu May-24-07 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #66 |
| 134. Lieberman. Too many Dems stayed closer to Bush on terrorism and Iraq strategy |
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throughout the last 6 years - and I am tired of it. And that goes for the brilliant 'political instinct' bigname Dems, too.
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| -So, whose compromise is this anyway? |
Skinner |
May-24-07 08:31 AM |
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To say I'm not happy with Reid/Pelosi would be the understatment of the year. |
Beelzebud |
May-24-07 08:32 AM |
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I'm still trying to figure out what they are thinking. |
Silverbug |
May-24-07 09:09 AM |
#28 |
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Because Dem power elite in DC influence political decisions more than the people |
blm |
May-24-07 09:48 AM |
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I think they may have been sandbagged by people who want to take over their jobs |
kenny blankenship |
May-24-07 07:32 PM |
#139 |
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I'm confused too. |
NC_Nurse |
May-24-07 08:33 AM |
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It's as if a "plug was pulled" when after being so courageous with the first bill |
KoKo01 |
May-24-07 08:43 AM |
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Who knows? |
NC_Nurse |
May-24-07 08:44 AM |
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No, they used it as a bargaining tool with Bush.. |
Virginia Dare |
May-24-07 09:03 AM |
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That would have to be a VERY INFLUENTIAL VOICE to do that, wouldn't you say? |
blm |
May-24-07 09:49 AM |
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agreed. we need names. |
Lerkfish |
May-24-07 08:34 AM |
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Who do any of you THINK is influencing Dem lawmakers most with this advice? |
blm |
May-24-07 09:08 AM |
#27 |
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Easy to figure out, actually |
notsodumbhillbilly |
May-24-07 09:57 AM |
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Yep - and the dominant political voice that would sway senate AND congress would be..... |
blm |
May-24-07 10:12 AM |
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Please just Spell it out blm....You talking about "Shadow Govt." or Clintons? |
KoKo01 |
May-24-07 10:35 AM |
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The party elite have Dem lawmakers believing Bill's political skills are infallible. |
blm |
May-24-07 11:17 AM |
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How would they do this? |
BurtWorm |
May-24-07 11:46 AM |
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They all use many of the same DC strategists and advisors and media has |
blm |
May-24-07 12:20 PM |
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I do believe Rahm Emanuel is one of the Big Dog's pitbulls. |
BurtWorm |
May-24-07 12:30 PM |
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What clued me is the way media never fails to mention that Clinton is the |
blm |
May-24-07 12:38 PM |
#105 |
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Lemme guess... |
Hell Hath No Fury |
May-24-07 11:47 AM |
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One odd fact in all this, however, is Hillary's bizarre IWR do-over proposal |
BurtWorm |
May-24-07 12:57 PM |
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June 2006 she ADAMANTLY spoke against any timetable. The do-over vote had also been |
blm |
May-24-07 02:39 PM |
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I think they thought they could shame bush into signing the other one |
SoCalDem |
May-24-07 08:37 AM |
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Maybe we should call Reid and Pelosi right now - Congressional Switchboard -- (202) 224-3121 |
Swamp Rat |
May-24-07 08:38 AM |
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We are very likely NOT to get Murtha or Feingold |
Horse with no Name |
May-24-07 08:53 AM |
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Nevertheless, We the People should DEMAND it. n/t |
Swamp Rat |
May-24-07 09:06 AM |
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The Democrats didn't come away with nothing.. |
Virginia Dare |
May-24-07 08:39 AM |
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So now Pelosi can be seen as voting AGAINST the minimum wage increase? |
Finnfan |
May-24-07 08:52 AM |
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No, there will be two separate votes...n/t |
Virginia Dare |
May-24-07 09:00 AM |
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Frankly... |
Hell Hath No Fury |
May-24-07 11:37 AM |
#83 |
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So you don't give a shit about funding for veterans.. |
Virginia Dare |
May-24-07 12:01 PM |
#91 |
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Yes. |
Hell Hath No Fury |
May-24-07 01:21 PM |
#111 |
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Have the veterans bill be separate and make Bush veto the damn thing |
Telly Savalas |
May-24-07 05:46 PM |
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You're Right. It Doesn't Make Sense. But That's Why I Can't Help But Think That There's Gotta Be |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-24-07 08:43 AM |
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If they don't vote for it, is that a vote to not fund the war? |
helderheid |
May-24-07 08:49 AM |
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That might be interesting. Get a bill the president wants and defeat it? Can |
wiggs |
May-24-07 12:06 PM |
#94 |
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It makes no sense |
H2O Man |
May-24-07 08:52 AM |
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please elaborate. nt |
tomp |
May-24-07 09:09 AM |
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If we believe that |
H2O Man |
May-24-07 09:17 AM |
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that's what i hoped you meant. and i agree. thanks. nt |
tomp |
May-24-07 09:22 AM |
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To your second scenario, I have to ask... |
Opposite Reaction |
May-24-07 09:48 AM |
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If you were |
H2O Man |
May-24-07 09:52 AM |
#54 |
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Well, |
Opposite Reaction |
May-24-07 10:25 AM |
#63 |
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When I was young, |
H2O Man |
May-24-07 10:30 AM |
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Thank you. |
Opposite Reaction |
May-24-07 10:47 AM |
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lol's....can't help myself but that gave me a chuckle..."face in the tree." |
KoKo01 |
May-24-07 10:50 AM |
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"The face in the tree" -- actually, a very apt metaphor |
Mark Twain Girl |
May-24-07 11:47 AM |
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yes....well said... we are finally discerning the face......n/t |
KoKo01 |
May-24-07 12:50 PM |
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My thoughts are that Emmanuel et al concocted a "Gang of 14" type |
Horse with no Name |
May-24-07 08:52 AM |
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Look who spoke out FORCEFULLY against a timetable last June and it's likely they |
blm |
May-24-07 09:10 AM |
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wow, interesting hypothesis! nt |
tomp |
May-24-07 09:11 AM |
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yeah, makes about the most sense to me (so far) |
Morgana LaFey |
May-24-07 04:36 PM |
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and remember whose foreign policy Emmanuel and Hoyer are more aligned with |
leftchick |
May-24-07 10:35 AM |
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Lieberman. Too many Dems stayed closer to Bush on terrorism and Iraq strategy |
blm |
May-24-07 07:06 PM |
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What evidence do we have that the 'defunding' approach was working? |
bigtree |
May-24-07 08:57 AM |
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I think you're correct, it was not a very effective tool.. |
Virginia Dare |
May-24-07 09:01 AM |
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It's not a question of "Moving Bush". That was never going to happen. |
Finnfan |
May-24-07 09:13 AM |
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Because that's how Congress stops wars. They take away the money. |
sfexpat2000 |
May-24-07 09:43 AM |
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Congress can vote for timetables for withdrawal with funding in place |
bigtree |
May-24-07 09:51 AM |
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True but only withdrawing FUNDS brings troops home. |
sfexpat2000 |
May-24-07 09:54 AM |
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Setting a 'timetable' for withdrawal is all that's needed up front. |
bigtree |
May-24-07 10:39 AM |
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He would have to pull them. It's just math at that poiint. |
sfexpat2000 |
May-24-07 11:00 AM |
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I am leaning towards the figureheads explanation |
Az |
May-24-07 08:57 AM |
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It's the classic good cop, bad cop scenario...n/t |
Virginia Dare |
May-24-07 09:04 AM |
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Yes...amazing that some of us who had so much hope for change didn't see |
KoKo01 |
May-24-07 10:59 AM |
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They better get their sh*t together. |
mmonk |
May-24-07 09:00 AM |
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The problem for Reid and Pelosi and other leading Democrats |
treestar |
May-24-07 09:01 AM |
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so you're saying: trust the dem leadership a little longer |
tomp |
May-24-07 09:17 AM |
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Why would they do what they are doing, though? |
treestar |
May-24-07 10:03 AM |
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I Don't Trust Rahm and Steny and I Don't Want Them Deciding Things |
Demeter |
May-24-07 09:04 AM |
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Yup. That pretty well sums it up for me. Well said, too. nt |
Morgana LaFey |
May-24-07 04:46 PM |
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He's been there for 3, count 'em, 3 years and he has more influence |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
May-24-07 07:22 PM |
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Those two should get the axe |
knight_of_the_star |
May-24-07 11:24 PM |
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Time to purge the DLC Bush enablers. |
Odin2005 |
May-24-07 09:05 AM |
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Bill Hicks bit puts it in context for me |
deutsey |
May-24-07 09:06 AM |
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I think you got THAT absolutely right. |
hippiechick |
May-24-07 09:32 AM |
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Hicks was a prophet. |
Cults4Bush |
May-24-07 10:05 AM |
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lol... thank you very much for my first chuckle all week. |
Shipwack |
May-24-07 07:30 PM |
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This could very well be from the freshman Democrats |
underpants |
May-24-07 09:09 AM |
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Not to be paranoid, but remember bu$h* can wiretap anyone anytime at will. |
spanone |
May-24-07 09:11 AM |
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There are things in the background we don't know about. For |
rasputin1952 |
May-24-07 09:13 AM |
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Oh, please. Our folks can't play checkers, let alone chess. |
Morgana LaFey |
May-24-07 04:49 PM |
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It is the way politics works...you have to make deals to get |
rasputin1952 |
May-24-07 05:33 PM |
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It's the "leaders" providing the liberal Democrats a CYA vote. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
May-24-07 09:16 AM |
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I'm not sure how much influence Pelosi has, considering |
Freddie Stubbs |
May-24-07 09:18 AM |
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I haven't read the replies yet not wanting to be influenced by them. |
snappyturtle |
May-24-07 09:26 AM |
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interesting.....perhaps it was what you say..... |
KoKo01 |
May-24-07 12:55 PM |
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"It makes no sense" |
welshTerrier2 |
May-24-07 09:28 AM |
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They have both let us down n/t |
sheerjoy |
May-24-07 09:28 AM |
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Orwellian doublespeak: "We are voting for it but we're not" |
Jersey Devil |
May-24-07 09:31 AM |
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This may help clarify what is going on... |
Blue_Roses |
May-24-07 09:33 AM |
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Skinner--have you read the bill or "bills"? |
Blue_Roses |
May-24-07 09:47 AM |
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Thank you for your reasonable response Blue_Roses.. |
Virginia Dare |
May-24-07 12:04 PM |
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Yeah, I noticed that last night |
Blue_Roses |
May-24-07 02:55 PM |
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One question...how many civilians and military will die in those four months? |
madfloridian |
May-24-07 12:08 PM |
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I can't answer that. |
Blue_Roses |
May-24-07 03:01 PM |
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Far too many, but not much fewer than would have otherwise. |
Bucky |
May-24-07 04:50 PM |
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well said. |
Blue_Roses |
May-24-07 07:21 PM |
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Do you have a link to the full text of the bill? |
madfloridian |
May-24-07 12:20 PM |
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here ya go... |
Blue_Roses |
May-24-07 03:05 PM |
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Somebody somewhere seems to think this helps for 2008. |
sfexpat2000 |
May-24-07 09:47 AM |
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Can ex-presidents be fired? |
blm |
May-24-07 11:18 AM |
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The whole Nafta wing of this party needs to be expelled. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
May-24-07 11:55 AM |
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That would include Gore?...n/t |
Virginia Dare |
May-24-07 12:04 PM |
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Do we know his current position? I don't. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
May-24-07 12:06 PM |
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I'm not sure who you were referring to.. |
Virginia Dare |
May-24-07 12:24 PM |
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This is what Big Money thinks it can steal from us... |
Orsino |
May-24-07 09:53 AM |
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Reed, Lieberman, etc. killed a short-term funding alternative |
JPZenger |
May-24-07 10:10 AM |
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READ DAVID SIROTA'S TAKE ON THE VOTE FOR THIS BILL |
zippy890 |
May-24-07 10:11 AM |
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Interesting....Explains why David (R) Drier was up compaining that Dems had done Bill in Secret |
KoKo01 |
May-24-07 10:43 AM |
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I happened to be listening to him too..to me it's not a good thing |
snappyturtle |
May-24-07 01:15 PM |
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It seems to me that "they" want to replace Reid. |
RevCheesehead |
May-24-07 10:28 AM |
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Who woul be the contender? I can see Hoyer or Emmanuel for Pelosi being pushed by DLC |
KoKo01 |
May-24-07 10:47 AM |
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Let me put on my tinfoil hat and say: |
RevCheesehead |
May-24-07 11:02 AM |
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Now we know why they blackballed Murtha. |
RevCheesehead |
May-24-07 10:36 AM |
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Makes no fucking sense. You got that right! |
lonestarnot |
May-24-07 10:38 AM |
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Thank you. It makes no sense. |
Usrename |
May-24-07 11:24 AM |
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Is our economy in worse shape than we the people realize? |
Gregorian |
May-24-07 11:26 AM |
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I think you make a GREAT POINT, Gregorian. Something's been fishy for decades. |
blm |
May-24-07 12:15 PM |
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I don't get along with evil. |
Gregorian |
May-24-07 01:48 PM |
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my hope |
TheModernTerrorist |
May-24-07 11:36 AM |
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Well, we'll find out soon enough. |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-24-07 11:46 AM |
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Go to the DLC website...read the "short leash" article. |
madfloridian |
May-24-07 11:56 AM |
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Whose compromise? Satan. (nm) |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
May-24-07 11:57 AM |
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Whose compromise is it? |
Hell Hath No Fury |
May-24-07 12:06 PM |
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The DLC |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
May-24-07 12:20 PM |
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Absolutely! |
notsodumbhillbilly |
May-24-07 12:55 PM |
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It's the sickening kind of feeling I had when I knew they were dead |
Hubert Flottz |
May-24-07 12:34 PM |
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I'll never forget that day. I think DU nearly melted down. |
myrna minx |
May-24-07 01:22 PM |
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That was just one more of those.... |
Hell Hath No Fury |
May-24-07 03:54 PM |
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i suspected problems when impeachment was off the table |
orleans |
May-24-07 01:50 PM |
#114 |
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Reid has never evinced much in the way of leadership or control |
depakid |
May-24-07 02:14 PM |
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Keep in mind he is a Nevada Democrat |
NobleCynic |
May-24-07 03:02 PM |
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Which begs the question |
depakid |
May-24-07 03:22 PM |
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Because he masterminded the Jim Jeffords switch in 2001 |
NobleCynic |
May-24-07 05:22 PM |
#129 |
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Repeating mistakes |
PATRICK |
May-24-07 04:14 PM |
#123 |
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This *apparent* weakness is the price Democrats pay for not marching in lockstep |
Bucky |
May-24-07 04:43 PM |
#125 |
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the news on NPR is saying that a compromise was reached |
rasputin1952 |
May-24-07 05:27 PM |
#130 |
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"does not appear to be a bad compromise " |
Warren Stupidity |
May-24-07 08:58 PM |
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Probably about the same time you do... |
rasputin1952 |
May-24-07 09:19 PM |
#143 |
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K&R |
ReadTomPaine |
May-24-07 05:49 PM |
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did you read this? |
FLDem5 |
May-24-07 07:10 PM |
#135 |
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On Bernie Ward's program, Sen. Mike Gravel (Dem presidential candidate) accused Obama and Hillary. |
Tatiana |
May-24-07 07:54 PM |
#140 |
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Smells like pervasive corruption to me. |
Warren Stupidity |
May-24-07 08:54 PM |
#141 |
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