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Thu Nov-18-10 11:51 PM
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the machines are delivering. The FDA has taken the word of the manuafacturer at their word (personal communications with the FDA). That said it is still a strip search and I have noticed that a large minority of people who go through the scanner end up getting patted down anyway. What is the point if you have to be patted down after getting your dose of x-rays?
The problem that I have is the pat downs are really nasty and have gotten worse in the past three months. I have had my share of pat downs because I had shoulder replacement surgery November 2009 with an additional 2 major surgeries within two months of the shoulder replacement. The end of 2009 and beginning of 2010 was not a good time for me. I will set off the magnometer if I have any additional metal on me. If I remove my glasses, watch, belt and make sure no additional metal (coins, etc.) is on me I won't set off the damn thing. I have been physically hurt twice with these pat downs even after telling the screeners that I had the shoulder surgery and showing the rather large scar on my shoulder to them. The first time they hurt me the pain took about 12 hours to subside. If this had happened one or two months earlier I would have been having a fourth major surgery. The second time they hurt me I went to complain to the supervisors and all they did was laugh at me. They thought is was funny. It does no use to complain to TSA., they don't respond and nothing gets done. It has gotten personal with me.
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| -"President Obama, would you be okay with Sasha and Malia being Xrayed?" |
Stinky The Clown |
Nov-16-10 06:24 PM |
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Nov-16-10 06:25 PM |
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Again, it just stuns me that this erosion of our civil liberties and privacy are taking place under |
Tatiana |
Nov-16-10 06:28 PM |
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An airplane is owned by a private company |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-16-10 11:47 PM |
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So you're okay with the pat downs and electronic strip searches? |
Stinky The Clown |
Nov-17-10 08:47 AM |
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Any one that doesn't like it is free |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-17-10 11:32 AM |
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Yes indeed, just as even the wealthiest person is banned from sleeping on park benches |
Greyhound |
Nov-17-10 10:38 PM |
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Or they can take one of your buses |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-18-10 06:24 AM |
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Ben Franklin had a comment about your viewpoint. |
hobbit709 |
Nov-18-10 06:22 AM |
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It is the policy of the DHS. |
SammyWinstonJack |
Nov-17-10 08:54 AM |
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TSA isn't owned by the airlines so your comment is |
crikkett |
Nov-17-10 10:08 AM |
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But the airlines adhere to TSA safety guidelines |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-17-10 11:34 AM |
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True. But TSA is a private company subcontracted |
walldude |
Nov-17-10 03:08 PM |
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OK But what you are talking about is corruption |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-17-10 05:41 PM |
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That 'private' company is publicly chartered |
appal_jack |
Nov-17-10 03:02 PM |
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And you have every right to choose an alternate mode of transportation |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-17-10 05:44 PM |
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Sir, which train do I take to get to London from Denver? |
CanonRay |
Nov-19-10 08:49 AM |
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Denver to New York by train |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-19-10 01:26 PM |
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Great reply! Absolutely awesome! |
kayakjohnny |
Nov-18-10 06:47 PM |
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No just the opposite |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-18-10 10:49 PM |
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TSA = Federal Gov't |
Hydra |
Nov-17-10 03:15 PM |
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Those are hypothetical extremes |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-17-10 05:46 PM |
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Uh huh |
Hydra |
Nov-18-10 10:17 AM |
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So you're argument is that people should be allowed to carry guns |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-18-10 02:46 PM |
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I have no problem with metal detectors |
Hydra |
Nov-18-10 04:22 PM |
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So some invasions of privacy are OK with you |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-18-10 10:46 PM |
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And our tax dollars pay for the DHS and TSA. n/t |
superduperfarleft |
Nov-17-10 03:39 PM |
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So restaurants, being private enterprises, are free to exclude minorities? |
WinkyDink |
Nov-17-10 05:52 PM |
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False equivelency |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-17-10 07:56 PM |
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TSA is not private... |
ljm2002 |
Nov-17-10 06:44 PM |
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But the airlines adhere to TSA safety guidelines |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-17-10 07:57 PM |
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Ha ha this is fun... |
ljm2002 |
Nov-17-10 09:25 PM |
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And you have every right to choose an alternate mode of transportation |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-17-10 09:29 PM |
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I've seen you say that |
KittyLover |
Nov-17-10 10:35 PM |
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Please tell me where the constitution guarantees you the right |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-17-10 11:05 PM |
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Basic human rights |
KittyLover |
Nov-18-10 02:35 AM |
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But you can choose an alternate form of transportation |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-18-10 06:14 AM |
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Of course... |
ljm2002 |
Nov-18-10 01:00 AM |
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That is extremist rhetoric |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-18-10 06:16 AM |
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Debate? What debate? |
ljm2002 |
Nov-18-10 08:49 AM |
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You hear trains are next? |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-18-10 10:08 AM |
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and you telling people 20 times to take an alternate form of transportation doesn't shut down debate |
CreekDog |
Nov-19-10 01:27 AM |
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False equivelency nt |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-19-10 08:07 AM |
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Thanks for proving my point! |
CreekDog |
Nov-19-10 05:00 PM |
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You're a legend in your own mind nt |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-19-10 05:46 PM |
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I couldn't agree more |
TfG |
Nov-18-10 10:23 AM |
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if you are advocating a boycott of the airlines, then I agree |
northernlights |
Nov-18-10 06:05 AM |
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The airlines did not devise Homeland Security or the TSA. n/t |
Mimosa |
Nov-18-10 10:25 AM |
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But they have the right to use private security if they don't |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-19-10 01:24 PM |
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You missed the WHOLE point. But it appears that was your purpose. n/t |
DeSwiss |
Nov-18-10 06:56 PM |
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No you miss the point |
JamesA1102 |
Nov-19-10 01:26 PM |
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Nov-16-10 06:28 PM |
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If they haven't been, I'm sure they will be. |
leveymg |
Nov-16-10 06:30 PM |
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You're concerned with the dosage? |
Stinky The Clown |
Nov-16-10 06:32 PM |
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Sadly, even here on DU, there are folks that are not concerned about their freedoms |
madinmaryland |
Nov-16-10 06:35 PM |
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Freedoms eroded? Your freedoms were lost when we didn't start impeachment on 9/12 |
leveymg |
Nov-16-10 06:47 PM |
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I was not really replying to you, but I do agree with you. Over the last ten |
madinmaryland |
Nov-16-10 08:04 PM |
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Death is undignified. I don't want to increase the chances of it happening. |
leveymg |
Nov-16-10 06:40 PM |
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it is also about radiation |
WannaJumpMyScooter |
Nov-16-10 06:45 PM |
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Then don't fly, and don't let your kids fly. They get a bigger dose of radiation at 35,000 ft. |
leveymg |
Nov-16-10 06:48 PM |
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well, I don't... and they are lying ahout |
WannaJumpMyScooter |
Nov-16-10 11:40 PM |
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That is a nice opinion but... |
rexcat |
Nov-17-10 03:58 PM |
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Actually studies have been done of radiation workers by the UN. |
Sirveri |
Nov-18-10 06:41 AM |
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Your dose of radiation for this equipment is based on what the manufacturer... |
rexcat |
Nov-18-10 09:53 AM |
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If the x-ray strength is too high the device can't work. |
Sirveri |
Nov-18-10 06:27 PM |
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Time will tell about the safety of the x-rays... |
rexcat |
Nov-18-10 09:07 PM |
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You fly often enough that you probably should opt out. |
Sirveri |
Nov-18-10 10:46 PM |
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There seems to be some questions as to what the dose of radiation... |
rexcat |
Nov-18-10 11:51 PM |
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UCSF clinics are telling their patients to avoid the scanners |
CreekDog |
Nov-19-10 01:34 AM |
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Cancer issues are only one of the considerations |
GiordanoBruno |
Nov-16-10 06:32 PM |
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It's not a strip search, and no one will touch your "junk" if you go through the damn scanner. |
leveymg |
Nov-16-10 06:51 PM |
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Nov-16-10 06:54 PM |
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Because people continue to try to blow up airplanes in the United States. |
leveymg |
Nov-16-10 06:57 PM |
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Better throw them in the junk heap today. |
avaistheone1 |
Nov-16-10 07:01 PM |
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Life is not without risk |
Stinky The Clown |
Nov-16-10 07:03 PM |
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We ceased to be a nation of free people on 9/12 when we didn't demand accountability |
leveymg |
Nov-16-10 07:27 PM |
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*LMAO* |
Hydra |
Nov-17-10 03:21 PM |
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Do they teach either probabilities or risk analysis in school anymore? |
Pacifist Patriot |
Nov-17-10 04:43 PM |
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Hard to say |
Hydra |
Nov-18-10 10:11 AM |
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You've got a fabulous supply of duct tape and plastic sheeting in your garage, don't you? |
Pacifist Patriot |
Nov-17-10 04:43 PM |
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They are useless for what they are intended |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-17-10 11:38 PM |
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No one should be forced to make the choice between the damned scanner |
avaistheone1 |
Nov-16-10 07:24 PM |
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The Damn Scanner |
GiordanoBruno |
Nov-16-10 07:28 PM |
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I was pulled for a "random" check last week when I flew... |
Cid_B |
Nov-18-10 06:14 AM |
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Not true. |
bluetrain |
Nov-16-10 06:33 PM |
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What's not true? You don't think their dentist will Xray them? |
leveymg |
Nov-16-10 06:54 PM |
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No, I read two airlines advise their pilots NOT to be x-rayed |
704wipes |
Nov-17-10 06:08 PM |
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Children and older humans should not have to go through this indignity |
avaistheone1 |
Nov-16-10 06:31 PM |
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That picture is STUNNING. |
Stinky The Clown |
Nov-16-10 06:35 PM |
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Ugh. |
Danger Mouse |
Nov-16-10 06:50 PM |
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None of us should have to go through this indignity. Period. nt |
obxhead |
Nov-16-10 07:00 PM |
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How does pating down a small child that age makes sense to anyone? |
redirish28 |
Nov-16-10 09:06 PM |
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If I read one more time that.... |
Pacifist Patriot |
Nov-17-10 04:45 PM |
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It certainly was |
TfG |
Nov-18-10 10:42 AM |
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You really have a knack for clarity and common sense. Thanks. |
sally cat |
Nov-16-10 06:41 PM |
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Very legit question. |
redirish28 |
Nov-16-10 06:43 PM |
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Would he be ok with his wife getting groped? Or his daughters? n/t |
Catherina |
Nov-16-10 06:59 PM |
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Now, now, I'm sure there's nothing President Obama can do to stop this stuff. |
BlueIris |
Nov-16-10 06:59 PM |
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After they're installed in all the airports, with the gropings too, the policy will be fixed later. |
TransitJohn |
Nov-16-10 11:44 PM |
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I bet he'd say HELL,NO. n/t |
Mimosa |
Nov-16-10 11:46 PM |
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They won't have to worry about that, now will they? |
AngryOldDem |
Nov-16-10 11:54 PM |
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This shit keeps up and they'll be sitting around with |
LibDemAlways |
Nov-17-10 12:10 AM |
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This is beyond the pale. |
Lugnut |
Nov-17-10 01:05 AM |
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Didn't mind them swimming in the toxic waters known as the Gulf of Mexico. |
nc4bo |
Nov-17-10 08:55 AM |
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Could be a plot to increase support for Amtrak. nt |
woo me with science |
Nov-17-10 03:36 PM |
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No, it was first devised and the procedures now being used were |
tblue37 |
Nov-17-10 03:44 PM |
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Doesn't matter when they were developed. What matters is when they were implemented |
Stinky The Clown |
Nov-17-10 05:49 PM |
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Good Question Bad Detail |
Pacifist Patriot |
Nov-17-10 04:41 PM |
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No |
Stinky The Clown |
Nov-17-10 05:46 PM |
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R&D, studies and pilots begun under Bush administration. |
Pacifist Patriot |
Nov-17-10 06:15 PM |
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Actually it did start with the Bush Admin |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-17-10 11:42 PM |
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Blaming Bush for stuff going wrong now allows more stuff to go wrong now. |
sally cat |
Nov-17-10 10:27 PM |
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Not necessarily. |
Pacifist Patriot |
Nov-18-10 07:16 AM |
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he won't be the pres forever, and they will have to be xrayed |
crazyjoe |
Nov-17-10 06:04 PM |
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It's worse than being x-rayed, it's allowing strangers to grope |
sabrina 1 |
Nov-17-10 09:37 PM |
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maybe he'd prefer that they get groped. |
northernlights |
Nov-18-10 06:04 AM |
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The scanners should have been the LAST step |
ecstatic |
Nov-18-10 06:28 AM |
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Not to mention being groped by over-enthusiastic TSA agents. nt |
TBF |
Nov-18-10 06:47 AM |
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isn't it just special to have people here defending this breach of privacy |
fascisthunter |
Nov-18-10 10:35 AM |
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Obama let his daughter swim in Gulf oil saturated waters |
lovuian |
Nov-18-10 02:57 PM |
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Wonder if his kids ate the seafood there. |
avaistheone1 |
Nov-19-10 01:51 AM |
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Don't feed it. n/t |
truth2power |
Nov-18-10 10:52 PM |
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I find myself agreeing more with Stinky's posts than disagreeing with them. |
nc4bo |
Nov-19-10 08:26 AM |
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I hope you (and Stinky) will accept my apologies. I didn't mean for this to be a response to |
truth2power |
Nov-19-10 05:28 PM |
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