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Tue Nov-16-10 12:38 PM
Response to Reply #55 |
| 76. Illegal immigrants help social security BECAUSE they work off the books. |
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Through their labor and the economic stimulus they provide, they are basically paying into a system that they will never see a penny from. So when the time comes for the rest of us to receive our SS, we'll have reaped the benefits that they provide to our economy while taking their portion.
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| -BREAKING NEWS: California Supreme Court Rules Undocumented Keep In-State Tuition |
HS News |
Nov-15-10 01:39 PM |
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Um? |
digitaln3rd |
Nov-15-10 01:42 PM |
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The mad-dog nativists will be foaming at the mouth over this one. |
marmar |
Nov-15-10 01:42 PM |
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the ones who think illegal immigrants don't pay taxes |
DBoon |
Nov-15-10 01:52 PM |
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"I would continue, but I am out of sarcasm right now...." |
marmar |
Nov-15-10 01:56 PM |
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How bout they pay ALL the taxes I pay, preferably via them becoming citizens. |
Kurska |
Nov-15-10 04:08 PM |
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What tax do non-citizens not pay that citizens pay? |
DBoon |
Nov-15-10 06:31 PM |
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Many undocs also pay into SS, which they will never, ever receive... |
arbusto_baboso |
Nov-16-10 02:46 PM |
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Nice... |
Dappleganger |
Nov-15-10 02:09 PM |
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"Mad dog nativist?" Is that your term for ppl who oppose illegal immigration? |
BillH76 |
Nov-15-10 04:31 PM |
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That's a bold statement. Cite your sources n/t |
Xipe Totec |
Nov-15-10 05:18 PM |
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It's Econ 101 |
BillH76 |
Nov-15-10 06:02 PM |
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But you're only looking at one small part of the whole cycle. |
EFerrari |
Nov-15-10 06:10 PM |
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No, I'm looking at the whole cycle. |
BillH76 |
Nov-15-10 07:12 PM |
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Clearly, you aren't. n/t |
EFerrari |
Nov-15-10 07:28 PM |
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Oh, I'm sorry. Didn't know I was talking to a Nobel economist |
Xipe Totec |
Nov-15-10 06:20 PM |
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Is that your refutation? |
BillH76 |
Nov-15-10 07:11 PM |
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Nice dodge |
Xipe Totec |
Nov-16-10 12:26 PM |
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Excellent. Good news to start the week. n/ |
EFerrari |
Nov-15-10 01:43 PM |
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Good for undocumented workers. How is it good for the US working class? |
BillH76 |
Nov-15-10 02:55 PM |
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What makes you think these people don't pay taxes? |
EFerrari |
Nov-15-10 03:18 PM |
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Taxes normally leave "Documents". |
Kurska |
Nov-15-10 04:02 PM |
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You really need to think that all the way through. |
EFerrari |
Nov-15-10 04:07 PM |
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" they earn substandard wages which might as well be a tax." I'm not unhappy that they make money. |
Kurska |
Nov-15-10 04:12 PM |
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If you look around, what you'll find is that these people make very little |
EFerrari |
Nov-15-10 04:22 PM |
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They get paid off the books. So they do not pay their share of taxes. |
BillH76 |
Nov-15-10 04:25 PM |
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Some get paid off the books and they get paid substandard wages |
EFerrari |
Nov-15-10 05:50 PM |
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Substandard wages drive everyone's wages down. |
BillH76 |
Nov-15-10 05:58 PM |
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Do you really think the people who come here to work |
EFerrari |
Nov-15-10 06:04 PM |
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No. |
BillH76 |
Nov-15-10 07:18 PM |
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"Illegal immigrants mostly work off the books." |
boppers |
Nov-16-10 02:08 AM |
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Illegal immigrants help social security BECAUSE they work off the books. |
EOTE |
Nov-16-10 12:38 PM |
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Are you really arguing that it is good we have a extensive underclass that have very few rights and |
Kurska |
Nov-15-10 07:27 PM |
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LOL. No, I'm not arguing that in any way. n/t |
EFerrari |
Nov-15-10 08:26 PM |
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Your failure to express your ideas in a way representative of what you believe is not my problem. |
Kurska |
Nov-16-10 02:27 PM |
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Either they pay the same taxes as I or any other citizens relative to their tax bracket or |
Kurska |
Nov-15-10 04:29 PM |
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Yes, you have to pay more to go to a state university |
EFerrari |
Nov-15-10 05:52 PM |
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Edit: |
Kurska |
Nov-15-10 07:35 PM |
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I can hear the Tea bags howling about this already, and I'm all the way |
activa8tr |
Nov-15-10 01:44 PM |
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Nice to read some GOOD news for a change... |
BrklynLiberal |
Nov-15-10 01:48 PM |
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Good for illegal aliens, you mean? |
BillH76 |
Nov-15-10 02:53 PM |
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No, good for the country. These are kids who have lived here for |
COLGATE4 |
Nov-15-10 03:30 PM |
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Because it's not their country. They are here illegally. |
BillH76 |
Nov-15-10 04:22 PM |
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I'd love all the "Europe is better people" to show me |
jancantor |
Nov-15-10 06:06 PM |
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Is the kid whose parents brought him here at 1 yr of age and now |
COLGATE4 |
Nov-16-10 02:43 PM |
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I live in oklahoma |
naaman fletcher |
Nov-15-10 01:50 PM |
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As long as your kids meet the other criteria: |
DBoon |
Nov-15-10 01:55 PM |
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It's just a thought... |
Psephos |
Nov-15-10 02:03 PM |
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There's nothing fradulent about these kids, They aren't claiming |
COLGATE4 |
Nov-15-10 03:31 PM |
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The majority are here illegally are they not? n/t |
Kurska |
Nov-15-10 04:18 PM |
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Being here illegally is not a fraud. Claiming to be a citizen to obtain |
COLGATE4 |
Nov-16-10 02:45 PM |
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Rights are a function of citizenship, not residency. |
Psephos |
Nov-15-10 07:43 PM |
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"being in the US illegally is also a fraud" |
ProudDad |
Nov-15-10 03:40 PM |
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Actually, fraud is both a crime AND a civil violation. |
Psephos |
Nov-15-10 07:39 PM |
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Excellent post |
Kurska |
Nov-15-10 07:52 PM |
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This is too over the top to even make sense. A kid brought here |
EFerrari |
Nov-15-10 08:39 PM |
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What's over the top about making these kids legal and giving them a simple path to citizenship? |
Psephos |
Nov-16-10 01:56 AM |
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Proof of residency for one year... |
Tikki |
Nov-15-10 01:57 PM |
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Been there, done that. |
Igel |
Nov-15-10 05:19 PM |
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Well, good as far as it goes, but speaking as a Californian, "in-state" |
villager |
Nov-15-10 02:19 PM |
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Tell me about it. I've been priced right out of school. n/t |
EFerrari |
Nov-15-10 03:20 PM |
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California has been one rare bright spot lately... |
ProudDad |
Nov-15-10 03:35 PM |
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My Afro-Latin friend has to pay 4 times the normal tuition for his college |
Kurska |
Nov-15-10 04:05 PM |
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The requirement is for residency, not place of birth. n/t |
EFerrari |
Nov-15-10 04:10 PM |
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You can be a citizen of the United States no matter where you are born. |
Kurska |
Nov-15-10 04:16 PM |
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State colleges are funded by state taxes. |
EFerrari |
Nov-15-10 04:25 PM |
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That is not profound or new information to me, I go to a state college. |
Kurska |
Nov-15-10 04:40 PM |
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Iirc, CA pays in more than it gets back. |
EFerrari |
Nov-15-10 05:37 PM |
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And your point is? Okay so someone from New Jersey does the same thing. |
Kurska |
Nov-15-10 07:20 PM |
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LOL. I have shown you that California is not a welfare state. |
EFerrari |
Nov-15-10 08:21 PM |
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When did I call California a welfare state? Who are you trying to argue with because it isn't me. |
Kurska |
Nov-16-10 02:17 PM |
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I don't know about you, but I was born in the USA by accident. |
hunter |
Nov-15-10 06:13 PM |
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+1 |
donco6 |
Nov-16-10 08:39 AM |
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It's not at odds with the reality of modern America. |
jancantor |
Nov-15-10 06:08 PM |
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If your friend lives in WA for 1 year, he gets in state tuition. |
TriMera |
Nov-16-10 12:55 PM |
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For a working person who can barely afford college WITH instate tuition. |
Kurska |
Nov-16-10 02:23 PM |
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I can't disagree with that. Even w/ in state tuition I'm |
TriMera |
Nov-16-10 02:29 PM |
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If they know they are illegal, isn't the next step apprehension and then deportation? nt |
Ginto |
Nov-15-10 04:12 PM |
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People who are outraged by this policy are often uninformed about the details |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-10 06:33 PM |
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"including certifying that they intend to make their immigration status legal." |
Kurska |
Nov-15-10 07:43 PM |
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That makes it more tolerable for me as well |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-10 07:47 PM |
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I'm honestly not trying to fault people for where they are born. |
Kurska |
Nov-15-10 07:51 PM |
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Reading the yargle-gargle-blarrrghing in this thread has been quite pleasant |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Nov-16-10 08:32 AM |
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Jesus, no kidding. |
donco6 |
Nov-16-10 08:36 AM |
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Seriously. |
Starry Messenger |
Nov-16-10 08:44 AM |
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So, what about kids of people on H, L, E, O, J, Q, P, etc. visas? |
WilmywoodNCparalegal |
Nov-16-10 02:41 PM |
#82 |
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