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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 08:39 PM
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68. This is too over the top to even make sense. A kid brought here
in their minority who goes through our schools and is trying to make it to college has not committed fraud in any way.

And not only do these families have most responsibilities of citizens with few of the benefits, their crime rate is not higher than the native born

and they contribute to our economy. /

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  -BREAKING NEWS: California Supreme Court Rules Undocumented Keep In-State Tuition HS News  Nov-15-10 01:39 PM   #0 
  - Um?  digitaln3rd   Nov-15-10 01:42 PM   #1 
  - The mad-dog nativists will be foaming at the mouth over this one.  marmar   Nov-15-10 01:42 PM   #2 
  - the ones who think illegal immigrants don't pay taxes  DBoon   Nov-15-10 01:52 PM   #7 
  - "I would continue, but I am out of sarcasm right now...."  marmar   Nov-15-10 01:56 PM   #9 
  - How bout they pay ALL the taxes I pay, preferably via them becoming citizens.  Kurska   Nov-15-10 04:08 PM   #25 
     - What tax do non-citizens not pay that citizens pay?  DBoon   Nov-15-10 06:31 PM   #51 
        - Many undocs also pay into SS, which they will never, ever receive...  arbusto_baboso   Nov-16-10 02:46 PM   #85 
  - Nice...  Dappleganger   Nov-15-10 02:09 PM   #12 
  - "Mad dog nativist?" Is that your term for ppl who oppose illegal immigration?  BillH76   Nov-15-10 04:31 PM   #36 
     - That's a bold statement. Cite your sources n/t  Xipe Totec   Nov-15-10 05:18 PM   #38 
        - It's Econ 101  BillH76   Nov-15-10 06:02 PM   #44 
           - But you're only looking at one small part of the whole cycle.  EFerrari   Nov-15-10 06:10 PM   #48 
           - No, I'm looking at the whole cycle.  BillH76   Nov-15-10 07:12 PM   #54 
              - Clearly, you aren't. n/t  EFerrari   Nov-15-10 07:28 PM   #58 
           - Oh, I'm sorry. Didn't know I was talking to a Nobel economist  Xipe Totec   Nov-15-10 06:20 PM   #50 
              - Is that your refutation?  BillH76   Nov-15-10 07:11 PM   #53 
                 - Nice dodge  Xipe Totec   Nov-16-10 12:26 PM   #75 
  - Excellent. Good news to start the week. n/  EFerrari   Nov-15-10 01:43 PM   #3 
  - Good for undocumented workers. How is it good for the US working class?  BillH76   Nov-15-10 02:55 PM   #15 
     - What makes you think these people don't pay taxes?  EFerrari   Nov-15-10 03:18 PM   #16 
        - Taxes normally leave "Documents".  Kurska   Nov-15-10 04:02 PM   #22 
           - You really need to think that all the way through.  EFerrari   Nov-15-10 04:07 PM   #24 
              - " they earn substandard wages which might as well be a tax." I'm not unhappy that they make money.  Kurska   Nov-15-10 04:12 PM   #28 
                 - If you look around, what you'll find is that these people make very little  EFerrari   Nov-15-10 04:22 PM   #31 
                    - They get paid off the books. So they do not pay their share of taxes.  BillH76   Nov-15-10 04:25 PM   #34 
                    - Some get paid off the books and they get paid substandard wages  EFerrari   Nov-15-10 05:50 PM   #41 
                       - Substandard wages drive everyone's wages down.  BillH76   Nov-15-10 05:58 PM   #43 
                          - Do you really think the people who come here to work  EFerrari   Nov-15-10 06:04 PM   #45 
                             - No.  BillH76   Nov-15-10 07:18 PM   #55 
                             - "Illegal immigrants mostly work off the books."  boppers   Nov-16-10 02:08 AM   #70 
                             - Illegal immigrants help social security BECAUSE they work off the books.  EOTE   Nov-16-10 12:38 PM   #76 
                             - Are you really arguing that it is good we have a extensive underclass that have very few rights and  Kurska   Nov-15-10 07:27 PM   #57 
                                - LOL. No, I'm not arguing that in any way. n/t  EFerrari   Nov-15-10 08:26 PM   #67 
                                   - Your failure to express your ideas in a way representative of what you believe is not my problem.  Kurska   Nov-16-10 02:27 PM   #80 
                    - Either they pay the same taxes as I or any other citizens relative to their tax bracket or  Kurska   Nov-15-10 04:29 PM   #35 
                       - Yes, you have to pay more to go to a state university  EFerrari   Nov-15-10 05:52 PM   #42 
                          - Edit:  Kurska   Nov-15-10 07:35 PM   #59 
  - I can hear the Tea bags howling about this already, and I'm all the way  activa8tr   Nov-15-10 01:44 PM   #4 
  - Nice to read some GOOD news for a change...  BrklynLiberal   Nov-15-10 01:48 PM   #5 
  - Good for illegal aliens, you mean?  BillH76   Nov-15-10 02:53 PM   #14 
     - No, good for the country. These are kids who have lived here for  COLGATE4   Nov-15-10 03:30 PM   #18 
        - Because it's not their country. They are here illegally.  BillH76   Nov-15-10 04:22 PM   #32 
           - I'd love all the "Europe is better people" to show me  jancantor   Nov-15-10 06:06 PM   #46 
           - Is the kid whose parents brought him here at 1 yr of age and now  COLGATE4   Nov-16-10 02:43 PM   #83 
  - I live in oklahoma  naaman fletcher   Nov-15-10 01:50 PM   #6 
  - As long as your kids meet the other criteria:  DBoon   Nov-15-10 01:55 PM   #8 
  - It's just a thought...  Psephos   Nov-15-10 02:03 PM   #11 
     - There's nothing fradulent about these kids, They aren't claiming  COLGATE4   Nov-15-10 03:31 PM   #19 
     - The majority are here illegally are they not? n/t  Kurska   Nov-15-10 04:18 PM   #30 
     - Being here illegally is not a fraud. Claiming to be a citizen to obtain  COLGATE4   Nov-16-10 02:45 PM   #84 
     - Rights are a function of citizenship, not residency.  Psephos   Nov-15-10 07:43 PM   #62 
     - "being in the US illegally is also a fraud"  ProudDad   Nov-15-10 03:40 PM   #21 
        - Actually, fraud is both a crime AND a civil violation.  Psephos   Nov-15-10 07:39 PM   #60 
           - Excellent post  Kurska   Nov-15-10 07:52 PM   #65 
           - This is too over the top to even make sense. A kid brought here  EFerrari   Nov-15-10 08:39 PM   #68 
              - What's over the top about making these kids legal and giving them a simple path to citizenship?  Psephos   Nov-16-10 01:56 AM   #69 
  - Proof of residency for one year...  Tikki   Nov-15-10 01:57 PM   #10 
     - Been there, done that.  Igel   Nov-15-10 05:19 PM   #39 
  - Well, good as far as it goes, but speaking as a Californian, "in-state"  villager   Nov-15-10 02:19 PM   #13 
  - Tell me about it. I've been priced right out of school. n/t  EFerrari   Nov-15-10 03:20 PM   #17 
  - California has been one rare bright spot lately...  ProudDad   Nov-15-10 03:35 PM   #20 
  - My Afro-Latin friend has to pay 4 times the normal tuition for his college  Kurska   Nov-15-10 04:05 PM   #23 
  - The requirement is for residency, not place of birth. n/t  EFerrari   Nov-15-10 04:10 PM   #26 
  - You can be a citizen of the United States no matter where you are born.  Kurska   Nov-15-10 04:16 PM   #29 
     - State colleges are funded by state taxes.  EFerrari   Nov-15-10 04:25 PM   #33 
     - That is not profound or new information to me, I go to a state college.  Kurska   Nov-15-10 04:40 PM   #37 
        - Iirc, CA pays in more than it gets back.  EFerrari   Nov-15-10 05:37 PM   #40 
           - And your point is? Okay so someone from New Jersey does the same thing.  Kurska   Nov-15-10 07:20 PM   #56 
              - LOL. I have shown you that California is not a welfare state.  EFerrari   Nov-15-10 08:21 PM   #66 
                 - When did I call California a welfare state? Who are you trying to argue with because it isn't me.  Kurska   Nov-16-10 02:17 PM   #78 
     - I don't know about you, but I was born in the USA by accident.  hunter   Nov-15-10 06:13 PM   #49 
        - +1  donco6   Nov-16-10 08:39 AM   #73 
  - It's not at odds with the reality of modern America.  jancantor   Nov-15-10 06:08 PM   #47 
  - If your friend lives in WA for 1 year, he gets in state tuition.  TriMera   Nov-16-10 12:55 PM   #77 
     - For a working person who can barely afford college WITH instate tuition.  Kurska   Nov-16-10 02:23 PM   #79 
        - I can't disagree with that. Even w/ in state tuition I'm  TriMera   Nov-16-10 02:29 PM   #81 
  - If they know they are illegal, isn't the next step apprehension and then deportation? nt  Ginto   Nov-15-10 04:12 PM   #27 
  - People who are outraged by this policy are often uninformed about the details  slackmaster   Nov-15-10 06:33 PM   #52 
  - "including certifying that they intend to make their immigration status legal."  Kurska   Nov-15-10 07:43 PM   #61 
     - That makes it more tolerable for me as well  slackmaster   Nov-15-10 07:47 PM   #63 
        - I'm honestly not trying to fault people for where they are born.  Kurska   Nov-15-10 07:51 PM   #64 
  - Reading the yargle-gargle-blarrrghing in this thread has been quite pleasant  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Nov-16-10 08:32 AM   #71 
  - Jesus, no kidding.  donco6   Nov-16-10 08:36 AM   #72 
  - Seriously.  Starry Messenger   Nov-16-10 08:44 AM   #74 
  - So, what about kids of people on H, L, E, O, J, Q, P, etc. visas?  WilmywoodNCparalegal   Nov-16-10 02:41 PM   #82 

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