Psephos
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Mon Nov-15-10 07:39 PM
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| 60. Actually, fraud is both a crime AND a civil violation. |
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This is as good a description as any. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraud Personally, I'd prefer to avoid the criminal accusations and high dudgeon, and figure out how to absorb illegal immigrants without criminal backgrounds into the system with a simple procedure. Vesting those here illegally with the benefits of citizenship but without the costs or responsibilities is an invitation to violent social unrest, heightened bigotry, and unsustainable economic strain. |
| -BREAKING NEWS: California Supreme Court Rules Undocumented Keep In-State Tuition |
HS News |
Nov-15-10 01:39 PM |
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Um? |
digitaln3rd |
Nov-15-10 01:42 PM |
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The mad-dog nativists will be foaming at the mouth over this one. |
marmar |
Nov-15-10 01:42 PM |
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the ones who think illegal immigrants don't pay taxes |
DBoon |
Nov-15-10 01:52 PM |
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"I would continue, but I am out of sarcasm right now...." |
marmar |
Nov-15-10 01:56 PM |
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How bout they pay ALL the taxes I pay, preferably via them becoming citizens. |
Kurska |
Nov-15-10 04:08 PM |
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What tax do non-citizens not pay that citizens pay? |
DBoon |
Nov-15-10 06:31 PM |
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Many undocs also pay into SS, which they will never, ever receive... |
arbusto_baboso |
Nov-16-10 02:46 PM |
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Nice... |
Dappleganger |
Nov-15-10 02:09 PM |
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"Mad dog nativist?" Is that your term for ppl who oppose illegal immigration? |
BillH76 |
Nov-15-10 04:31 PM |
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That's a bold statement. Cite your sources n/t |
Xipe Totec |
Nov-15-10 05:18 PM |
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It's Econ 101 |
BillH76 |
Nov-15-10 06:02 PM |
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But you're only looking at one small part of the whole cycle. |
EFerrari |
Nov-15-10 06:10 PM |
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No, I'm looking at the whole cycle. |
BillH76 |
Nov-15-10 07:12 PM |
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Clearly, you aren't. n/t |
EFerrari |
Nov-15-10 07:28 PM |
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Oh, I'm sorry. Didn't know I was talking to a Nobel economist |
Xipe Totec |
Nov-15-10 06:20 PM |
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Is that your refutation? |
BillH76 |
Nov-15-10 07:11 PM |
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Nice dodge |
Xipe Totec |
Nov-16-10 12:26 PM |
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Excellent. Good news to start the week. n/ |
EFerrari |
Nov-15-10 01:43 PM |
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Good for undocumented workers. How is it good for the US working class? |
BillH76 |
Nov-15-10 02:55 PM |
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What makes you think these people don't pay taxes? |
EFerrari |
Nov-15-10 03:18 PM |
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Taxes normally leave "Documents". |
Kurska |
Nov-15-10 04:02 PM |
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You really need to think that all the way through. |
EFerrari |
Nov-15-10 04:07 PM |
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" they earn substandard wages which might as well be a tax." I'm not unhappy that they make money. |
Kurska |
Nov-15-10 04:12 PM |
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If you look around, what you'll find is that these people make very little |
EFerrari |
Nov-15-10 04:22 PM |
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They get paid off the books. So they do not pay their share of taxes. |
BillH76 |
Nov-15-10 04:25 PM |
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Some get paid off the books and they get paid substandard wages |
EFerrari |
Nov-15-10 05:50 PM |
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Substandard wages drive everyone's wages down. |
BillH76 |
Nov-15-10 05:58 PM |
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Do you really think the people who come here to work |
EFerrari |
Nov-15-10 06:04 PM |
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No. |
BillH76 |
Nov-15-10 07:18 PM |
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"Illegal immigrants mostly work off the books." |
boppers |
Nov-16-10 02:08 AM |
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Illegal immigrants help social security BECAUSE they work off the books. |
EOTE |
Nov-16-10 12:38 PM |
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Are you really arguing that it is good we have a extensive underclass that have very few rights and |
Kurska |
Nov-15-10 07:27 PM |
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LOL. No, I'm not arguing that in any way. n/t |
EFerrari |
Nov-15-10 08:26 PM |
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Your failure to express your ideas in a way representative of what you believe is not my problem. |
Kurska |
Nov-16-10 02:27 PM |
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Either they pay the same taxes as I or any other citizens relative to their tax bracket or |
Kurska |
Nov-15-10 04:29 PM |
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Yes, you have to pay more to go to a state university |
EFerrari |
Nov-15-10 05:52 PM |
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Edit: |
Kurska |
Nov-15-10 07:35 PM |
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I can hear the Tea bags howling about this already, and I'm all the way |
activa8tr |
Nov-15-10 01:44 PM |
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Nice to read some GOOD news for a change... |
BrklynLiberal |
Nov-15-10 01:48 PM |
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Good for illegal aliens, you mean? |
BillH76 |
Nov-15-10 02:53 PM |
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No, good for the country. These are kids who have lived here for |
COLGATE4 |
Nov-15-10 03:30 PM |
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Because it's not their country. They are here illegally. |
BillH76 |
Nov-15-10 04:22 PM |
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I'd love all the "Europe is better people" to show me |
jancantor |
Nov-15-10 06:06 PM |
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Is the kid whose parents brought him here at 1 yr of age and now |
COLGATE4 |
Nov-16-10 02:43 PM |
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I live in oklahoma |
naaman fletcher |
Nov-15-10 01:50 PM |
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As long as your kids meet the other criteria: |
DBoon |
Nov-15-10 01:55 PM |
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It's just a thought... |
Psephos |
Nov-15-10 02:03 PM |
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There's nothing fradulent about these kids, They aren't claiming |
COLGATE4 |
Nov-15-10 03:31 PM |
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The majority are here illegally are they not? n/t |
Kurska |
Nov-15-10 04:18 PM |
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Being here illegally is not a fraud. Claiming to be a citizen to obtain |
COLGATE4 |
Nov-16-10 02:45 PM |
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Rights are a function of citizenship, not residency. |
Psephos |
Nov-15-10 07:43 PM |
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"being in the US illegally is also a fraud" |
ProudDad |
Nov-15-10 03:40 PM |
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Actually, fraud is both a crime AND a civil violation. |
Psephos |
Nov-15-10 07:39 PM |
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Excellent post |
Kurska |
Nov-15-10 07:52 PM |
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This is too over the top to even make sense. A kid brought here |
EFerrari |
Nov-15-10 08:39 PM |
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What's over the top about making these kids legal and giving them a simple path to citizenship? |
Psephos |
Nov-16-10 01:56 AM |
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Proof of residency for one year... |
Tikki |
Nov-15-10 01:57 PM |
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Been there, done that. |
Igel |
Nov-15-10 05:19 PM |
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Well, good as far as it goes, but speaking as a Californian, "in-state" |
villager |
Nov-15-10 02:19 PM |
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Tell me about it. I've been priced right out of school. n/t |
EFerrari |
Nov-15-10 03:20 PM |
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California has been one rare bright spot lately... |
ProudDad |
Nov-15-10 03:35 PM |
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My Afro-Latin friend has to pay 4 times the normal tuition for his college |
Kurska |
Nov-15-10 04:05 PM |
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The requirement is for residency, not place of birth. n/t |
EFerrari |
Nov-15-10 04:10 PM |
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You can be a citizen of the United States no matter where you are born. |
Kurska |
Nov-15-10 04:16 PM |
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State colleges are funded by state taxes. |
EFerrari |
Nov-15-10 04:25 PM |
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That is not profound or new information to me, I go to a state college. |
Kurska |
Nov-15-10 04:40 PM |
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Iirc, CA pays in more than it gets back. |
EFerrari |
Nov-15-10 05:37 PM |
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And your point is? Okay so someone from New Jersey does the same thing. |
Kurska |
Nov-15-10 07:20 PM |
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LOL. I have shown you that California is not a welfare state. |
EFerrari |
Nov-15-10 08:21 PM |
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When did I call California a welfare state? Who are you trying to argue with because it isn't me. |
Kurska |
Nov-16-10 02:17 PM |
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I don't know about you, but I was born in the USA by accident. |
hunter |
Nov-15-10 06:13 PM |
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+1 |
donco6 |
Nov-16-10 08:39 AM |
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It's not at odds with the reality of modern America. |
jancantor |
Nov-15-10 06:08 PM |
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If your friend lives in WA for 1 year, he gets in state tuition. |
TriMera |
Nov-16-10 12:55 PM |
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For a working person who can barely afford college WITH instate tuition. |
Kurska |
Nov-16-10 02:23 PM |
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I can't disagree with that. Even w/ in state tuition I'm |
TriMera |
Nov-16-10 02:29 PM |
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If they know they are illegal, isn't the next step apprehension and then deportation? nt |
Ginto |
Nov-15-10 04:12 PM |
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People who are outraged by this policy are often uninformed about the details |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-10 06:33 PM |
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"including certifying that they intend to make their immigration status legal." |
Kurska |
Nov-15-10 07:43 PM |
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That makes it more tolerable for me as well |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-10 07:47 PM |
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I'm honestly not trying to fault people for where they are born. |
Kurska |
Nov-15-10 07:51 PM |
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Reading the yargle-gargle-blarrrghing in this thread has been quite pleasant |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Nov-16-10 08:32 AM |
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Jesus, no kidding. |
donco6 |
Nov-16-10 08:36 AM |
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Seriously. |
Starry Messenger |
Nov-16-10 08:44 AM |
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So, what about kids of people on H, L, E, O, J, Q, P, etc. visas? |
WilmywoodNCparalegal |
Nov-16-10 02:41 PM |
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