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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 07:22 PM
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20. Your response shows you haven't read my post at all...
I know the title of my thread had the form of a question, but that doesn't mean you don't have to read the post before answering. I specifically addressed your point and explained why I don't think it's true. I'll repeat it here for you:

It seems the main offense Stewart supposedly has committed, is falsely equating the 'liberal' media (or the liberal elements in the corporate media) to the right-wing, conservative (batshit) media. I also believe this was Maddow's criticism. However, as Stewart tried to point out numerous times during the interview, that was not his intention. People may have perceived it that way, but he has no control over that perception. Leftists and liberals have been mad, because it seemed like Stewart equated conspiracy theories about Obama ("the socialist muslim from Kenya") with legitimate anger from the left toward the Bush cabal (e.g. Code Pink). Stewart said to Maddow that he wasn't going at substance, but at tone. <...>

Important detail is that Stewart said to Maddow: "you know we, on the show, have a special place in our hearts for Fox". Meaning that he doesn't really think Fox and MSNBC are equals, and that Fox is a category all by it itself. At one point during the interview, he said to Maddow that she was defending herself about something he didn't accuse her of. He even complimented her and, in a way, Keith Olbermann too, by pointing out how he had been the pioneer for liberal voices on television. So this is why I don't get some poster's comment that Stewart has been working against liberal voices on television, going even as far to cite 'Crossfire' as a show for liberals. Stewart's little crusade is directed against bad media, and I thought most on DU agreed that constitutes almost all mainstream media.

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  -Exactly what was wrong with the Jon Stewart interview? DutchLiberal  Nov-13-10 05:18 PM   #0 
  - A lot of people here tend to enjoy having a zero-strike policy for people  Posteritatis   Nov-13-10 05:21 PM   #1 
  - He had the flu and came sick. We were still treated to a mature  OHdem10   Nov-13-10 05:22 PM   #2 
  - It isn't a matter of trashing him or disrespecting him  tularetom   Nov-13-10 05:35 PM   #3 
  - I think Stewart made very coherent, reasonable points...  DutchLiberal   Nov-13-10 07:09 PM   #18 
  - I thought it was a good interview.  Political_Junkie   Nov-13-10 05:38 PM   #4 
  - +1,000 n/t  malaise   Nov-13-10 06:57 PM   #16 
  - i so agree with you.  barbtries   Nov-13-10 05:44 PM   #5 
  - That's a beautiful picture! Thanks for sharing. And...  DutchLiberal   Nov-13-10 07:18 PM   #19 
  - There has always been a black and white aspect to Free Republic that we laughed at  tavalon   Nov-14-10 01:45 AM   #27 
  - My problem with Stewart  watstearns   Nov-13-10 07:41 PM   #22 
  - Good points, all. Welcome to DU.  chimpymustgo   Nov-14-10 10:46 AM   #34 
  - I think we're all concerned with the perceived image Stewart's projecting  PerpetuallyDazed   Nov-14-10 11:09 AM   #36 
  - I believe you have just made the best case *in favor* of Stewart...  DutchLiberal   Nov-14-10 07:04 PM   #37 
  - I'm also a part of the fringe!  PerpetuallyDazed   Nov-14-10 10:27 AM   #31 
  - Jon doesn't parrot some people on DU  stray cat   Nov-13-10 06:01 PM   #6 
  - I don't respect him anymore because he's promoting the big lie.  Zoeisright   Nov-13-10 06:05 PM   #7 
  - Your response shows you haven't read my post at all...  DutchLiberal   Nov-13-10 07:22 PM   #20 
     - Yeah, short attention span people  tavalon   Nov-14-10 01:46 AM   #28 
  - Answer is here-  Poboy   Nov-13-10 06:06 PM   #8 
  - I read it  PerpetuallyDazed   Nov-14-10 10:45 AM   #33 
  - knr - I heard the interview in the same way, also he pointed out how the media ...  slipslidingaway   Nov-13-10 06:15 PM   #9 
  - I enjoyed parts of the interview and portions of what he had to say.  mzmolly   Nov-13-10 06:16 PM   #10 
  - Because his defense boils down to the "tone" argument - the favorite tactic of concern trolls.  iris27   Nov-13-10 06:18 PM   #11 
  - +1 well said (n/t)  CrawlingChaos   Nov-13-10 06:32 PM   #12 
  - I watched a different interview, one of the main points is that several ...  slipslidingaway   Nov-13-10 06:38 PM   #13 
  - But see, I don't think that's a fair assessment for him to make either.  iris27   Nov-13-10 06:50 PM   #14 
  - Oh, I agree with you on that --and I disagree with Stewart on that.  DutchLiberal   Nov-13-10 07:30 PM   #21 
  - I think people can take a different message from what he presents than the one he may have  iris27   Nov-13-10 08:11 PM   #25 
     - What's wrong with being a moderate?  DutchLiberal   Nov-14-10 07:15 PM   #38 
  - You're wrong. And being hyperbolic.  PerpetuallyDazed   Nov-14-10 11:02 AM   #35 
  - I would say to Jon, "Look around"...  kentuck   Nov-13-10 06:55 PM   #15 
  - Much ado about nothing. n/t  deacon   Nov-13-10 07:00 PM   #17 
  - I do believe that much of the criticism was manufactured.  annabanana   Nov-13-10 07:47 PM   #23 
  - Yes. He never claimed that Keith is as bad as Beck, or  Doctor_J   Nov-13-10 07:49 PM   #24 
  - Very thought-provoking post. Thank you.  spooky3   Nov-13-10 10:52 PM   #26 
  - I'm glad you liked it. (n/t)  DutchLiberal   Nov-14-10 07:23 PM   #39 
  - I mostly agree with you  Ramulux   Nov-14-10 02:15 AM   #29 
  - It seems to me Stewart has been very consistent...  DutchLiberal   Nov-14-10 07:33 PM   #40 
  - Great post  Blecht   Nov-14-10 03:42 AM   #30 
  - This is a wonderfully coherent OP  PerpetuallyDazed   Nov-14-10 10:34 AM   #32 

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