Tierra_y_Libertad
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Wed Nov-10-10 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #41 |
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Edited on Wed Nov-10-10 02:31 PM by Tierra_y_Libertad
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| -Unless the U.S. universe has shifted a lot, the 2012 presidential election will be won in the middle |
bigtree |
Nov-09-10 08:04 PM |
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The flip side of this is that the electorate tolerates, and even insists on... |
Ozymanithrax |
Nov-09-10 08:33 PM |
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Hilary Clinton/Jeb Bush 2012 |
leftstreet |
Nov-09-10 08:54 PM |
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I can't see Bush as her running mate. n/t |
Ozymanithrax |
Nov-09-10 08:57 PM |
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:spray: omg you actually entertained the notion I was serious |
leftstreet |
Nov-09-10 09:00 PM |
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Behave. nt |
PBS Poll-435 |
Nov-09-10 09:24 PM |
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I understand the laughs |
DonCoquixote |
Nov-09-10 09:41 PM |
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Well, Maybe Crist... |
Ozymanithrax |
Nov-10-10 12:15 AM |
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hey |
bigtree |
Nov-09-10 09:01 PM |
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The U.S. will seriously support a very far right Republican... |
Ozymanithrax |
Nov-10-10 12:21 AM |
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I'm inclined to agree with that |
bigtree |
Nov-10-10 04:49 AM |
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I can see that, Unfortunately |
Demeter |
Nov-10-10 08:44 AM |
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How are things at the DLC these days? |
placton |
Nov-09-10 09:06 PM |
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it won three presidential elections in my lifetime |
bigtree |
Nov-09-10 09:10 PM |
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I would argue that candidates Clinton and Obama were to the left of presidents Clinton and Obama |
marmar |
Nov-09-10 09:17 PM |
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yeah no shit |
ibegurpard |
Nov-09-10 09:53 PM |
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Once they got into the office |
treestar |
Nov-09-10 09:58 PM |
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Republicans do *not* want to shrink government.. |
Fumesucker |
Nov-09-10 10:22 PM |
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And President Nixon was to the left of both of them. |
Crunchy Frog |
Nov-09-10 10:04 PM |
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Y ou are making a reasonable point about Presidential Politics |
AndrewP |
Nov-10-10 09:02 AM |
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The word "middle" has very little meaning in politics. |
Toucano |
Nov-09-10 09:14 PM |
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K&R. Sad but true |
BumRushDaShow |
Nov-09-10 09:36 PM |
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this is really too bad |
paulk |
Nov-09-10 09:52 PM |
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that's an important point |
bigtree |
Nov-09-10 10:01 PM |
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If it means being a Republican like Party, who cares about |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-09-10 10:01 PM |
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that's just simplistic rhetoric |
bigtree |
Nov-09-10 10:13 PM |
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so is your entire premise |
ibegurpard |
Nov-09-10 10:15 PM |
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the term is good enough |
bigtree |
Nov-09-10 10:27 PM |
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Really? |
kctim |
Nov-10-10 09:14 AM |
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If your definition of the middle is more of what we've seen over the past two years |
ibegurpard |
Nov-09-10 10:01 PM |
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I see this presidency as more neo-moderate |
bigtree |
Nov-09-10 10:21 PM |
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The middle of what? |
Crunchy Frog |
Nov-09-10 10:03 PM |
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Fuckin A |
TheKentuckian |
Nov-09-10 10:41 PM |
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Which "middle?" |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-09-10 10:46 PM |
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bullshit |
RainDog |
Nov-10-10 09:13 AM |
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Which Is Exactly Why Republicans Can't And Won't Win |
ChoppinBroccoli |
Nov-10-10 09:42 AM |
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It depends on how you define progressive |
karynnj |
Nov-10-10 09:57 AM |
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The "middle" was rejected by the voters in 2010. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Nov-10-10 10:16 AM |
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so, we have a progressive Democratic majority in the Senate now? |
bigtree |
Nov-10-10 02:02 PM |
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And, why was that? Because the moderates were so able to sell their program to the voters? |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Nov-10-10 02:30 PM |
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It's not moderation that's in favor with voters right now |
bigtree |
Nov-10-10 02:37 PM |
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Maybe, this is whats needed. From a former Clinton WH guy. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Nov-10-10 02:44 PM |
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sure, let's divide the party |
bigtree |
Nov-10-10 02:47 PM |
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Not if the "Moderate" party wins. Which it has been doing for the last 42 years. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Nov-10-10 02:51 PM |
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that's the fault of the electoral college system of electing presidents |
bigtree |
Nov-10-10 02:59 PM |
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Alas, the moderates will quash any attempt at reform of the electoral system. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Nov-10-10 03:10 PM |
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touche', Tierra_y_Libertad |
bigtree |
Nov-10-10 03:13 PM |
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dupe |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Nov-10-10 02:30 PM |
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No, you lost republican-lites to real republicans |
ProudDad |
Nov-10-10 03:30 PM |
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The progressives who won were mostly in districts gerrymandered to prevent any other result. |
BzaDem |
Nov-10-10 06:44 PM |
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I know of ONE |
ProudDad |
Nov-11-10 11:27 AM |
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Progressives lost in every single competitive open seat House race. Progressive incumbents primarily |
BzaDem |
Nov-11-10 11:33 AM |
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Name them... |
ProudDad |
Nov-11-10 11:56 AM |
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Moderates lost because they were in conservative districts. Progressives in conservative districts |
BzaDem |
Nov-10-10 06:40 PM |
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What Progressive "Ideology"??? |
ProudDad |
Nov-10-10 11:57 AM |
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so you quoted me out of context and argued with your own premise |
bigtree |
Nov-10-10 02:13 PM |
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As I indicated |
ProudDad |
Nov-10-10 03:28 PM |
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I love the sympathy for the folks who voted republican, and the folks who sat by |
bigtree |
Nov-10-10 03:47 PM |
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You are completely missing what I mean! |
ProudDad |
Nov-10-10 05:38 PM |
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I think you're missing the point |
bigtree |
Nov-10-10 06:17 PM |
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If you're right... |
ProudDad |
Nov-11-10 11:26 AM |
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Bank on that if you want to lose even more voters n/t |
Catherina |
Nov-10-10 12:03 PM |
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I personally have given up on the Feds. |
Cleita |
Nov-10-10 12:08 PM |
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We've given up on our state (Arizona) and are working in our neighborhood... (n/t) |
ProudDad |
Nov-10-10 03:31 PM |
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DLC talking points. Unrec. |
Individualist |
Nov-10-10 02:05 PM |
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Bullshit. Who's going to vote for a fake Rethug when they can vote for the real one. |
Fearless |
Nov-10-10 02:20 PM |
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I never saw Mr. Obama as a progressive. His campaign certainly wasn't a strictly progressive one. |
bigtree |
Nov-10-10 02:22 PM |
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He was considered the outsider, the non-DLCer. |
Fearless |
Nov-10-10 02:26 PM |
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We can agree on that... |
ProudDad |
Nov-10-10 03:32 PM |
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The middle of what? And no, progressives have been the ONLY ones |
mmonk |
Nov-10-10 03:00 PM |
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I hear you. |
bigtree |
Nov-10-10 03:06 PM |
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Who is in control now? Bipartisanship and centrism always ends |
mmonk |
Nov-10-10 06:25 PM |
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conservatives have had the say so because voters keep electing conservative candidates |
bigtree |
Nov-10-10 06:33 PM |
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If the Middle is just a little left of Idiocracy then I want no part in it |
Ichingcarpenter |
Nov-10-10 03:46 PM |
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it's where our party wins presidential elections |
bigtree |
Nov-10-10 03:50 PM |
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"What I want no part of is a republican victory." |
ProudDad |
Nov-10-10 05:40 PM |
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That's the Point.... I am willing to fight for the end stage |
Ichingcarpenter |
Nov-10-10 05:55 PM |
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To quote the very much DU hated Bill Clinton.... |
AndrewP |
Nov-10-10 05:41 PM |
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Middle schmiddle |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-10-10 06:15 PM |
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Kick |
Scurrilous |
Nov-10-10 07:41 PM |
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A lot of labels and no program. You don't get to define what the middle is. |
JackRiddler |
Nov-11-10 04:06 PM |
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