BzaDem
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Sat Nov-06-10 05:07 PM
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| 43. Yeah, like they flushed down Alan Grayson, and Russ Feingold, and Tom Perriello. |
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Those were "watered-down crap" to you. If only they were "economic populists," they would have won. Got it.  |
| -House- Progressive Caucus is now the plurality. How the Blue Dogs and New Dems did (badly) |
underpants |
Nov-06-10 10:47 AM |
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Countdown to claims that the progressives caused the losses in... |
Goblinmonger |
Nov-06-10 10:50 AM |
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Excellent. This may make for more of a two party system the |
mmonk |
Nov-06-10 10:52 AM |
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Thanks for this..and the post on the blue Dogs. |
BrklynLiberal |
Nov-06-10 11:10 AM |
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There was plenty of enthusiasm in the districts the blue dogs lost. |
Recursion |
Nov-06-10 11:53 AM |
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Yes, we voted enthusiastically. the problem was that there just isn't enough of us. |
CTyankee |
Nov-06-10 04:49 PM |
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That's the upside of this election. k&r |
polichick |
Nov-06-10 11:18 AM |
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It is easy to have a vast majority progressive caucus if your caucus is a powerless minority. |
BzaDem |
Nov-06-10 11:23 AM |
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I'd rather have a powerless minority than a powerless majority. |
PassingFair |
Nov-06-10 01:37 PM |
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What you are missing is that it is impossible to have a majority AT ALL without significant numbers |
BzaDem |
Nov-06-10 01:50 PM |
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What you are missing is that it is possible to tackle the New Dems head on... |
PassingFair |
Nov-06-10 01:54 PM |
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The next wave election will either elect lots of blue dogs/new dems, or will not elect a majority. |
BzaDem |
Nov-06-10 02:11 PM |
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How the hell do YOU know? |
PassingFair |
Nov-06-10 02:17 PM |
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"and people will be desperate for real progress and real representation" |
BzaDem |
Nov-06-10 02:21 PM |
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I am assuming that the people of conservative districts won't continue... |
PassingFair |
Nov-06-10 02:27 PM |
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That is kind of a false assumption though. If they lose their homes, they will blame it on liberals |
BzaDem |
Nov-06-10 03:48 PM |
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Then I guess there is nothing we can do for them. |
PassingFair |
Nov-06-10 04:18 PM |
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Yes, we do need to try to provide for all. To do that, we need a majority, and to get that, we need |
BzaDem |
Nov-06-10 04:40 PM |
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Jeebus, it's the conservative DEMS who stop us from putting the case to the people! |
PassingFair |
Nov-06-10 04:45 PM |
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Yeah, like they flushed down Alan Grayson, and Russ Feingold, and Tom Perriello. |
BzaDem |
Nov-06-10 05:07 PM |
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TWO Progressives lost. |
PassingFair |
Nov-06-10 05:24 PM |
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Umm, bullshit. You said people were looking for a choice. Grayson was a choice. He lost. n/t |
BzaDem |
Nov-06-10 05:25 PM |
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He also WON. |
PassingFair |
Nov-06-10 05:32 PM |
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He won before he cast votes. As soon as he was actually a Congressperson and cast votes, he lost. |
BzaDem |
Nov-06-10 05:33 PM |
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Bull. He never hid who he was. |
PassingFair |
Nov-06-10 05:40 PM |
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He won on coattails and lost on a wave. That's how those districts work. |
Recursion |
Nov-07-10 12:24 PM |
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And this is what is not being tried. The knee jerk reaction is "move right." |
CTyankee |
Nov-07-10 01:24 PM |
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"These rednecks will turn economic populists soon enough" |
Recursion |
Nov-07-10 01:07 PM |
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I think these center-right Dem coalitions are dead or dying. |
Chan790 |
Nov-06-10 04:43 PM |
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Then there won't be a next time for a Dem House. Once center-right-Dems are revived, then we might |
BzaDem |
Nov-06-10 04:44 PM |
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You need to lay-off the acid koolaid. |
Chan790 |
Nov-06-10 04:55 PM |
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You are correct that the type of Democrat needed to win in some districts might no longer be |
BzaDem |
Nov-06-10 05:05 PM |
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We keep losing the argument and the right keeps moving us more to the right. |
CTyankee |
Nov-06-10 07:05 PM |
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The whole world is moving to the right. Look at europe. |
Recursion |
Nov-07-10 12:32 PM |
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Thankfully you state your basic assumption upfront. |
Chan790 |
Nov-06-10 04:36 PM |
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Have you ever considered that the only way to "fix our message so we can be competitive in those |
BzaDem |
Nov-06-10 04:46 PM |
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Have you considered that people in those districts are rarely offered a choice? |
PassingFair |
Nov-06-10 04:51 PM |
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Alan Grayson just found out that he can't continue to win in a conservative district. |
BzaDem |
Nov-06-10 05:08 PM |
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He just did a pretty good job of proving that himself (nt) |
Recursion |
Nov-07-10 05:47 PM |
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No, that's the problem and not the solution. |
Chan790 |
Nov-06-10 05:02 PM |
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I think the problem with your Bohemia-analogy is that it is false. |
BzaDem |
Nov-06-10 05:11 PM |
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Okay, now I see our communication breakdown. |
Chan790 |
Nov-06-10 05:45 PM |
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"..abandoning our own Wall St. friends". Now you've done it! |
PassingFair |
Nov-06-10 05:48 PM |
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Hence, why I say the DLC is dead. n/t |
Chan790 |
Nov-06-10 05:57 PM |
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Hence, why I hope you are right. |
PassingFair |
Nov-06-10 06:00 PM |
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Mikulski, Reid, Feinstein, Nelson, Landrieu, Kerry, Stabenow... |
Recursion |
Nov-07-10 09:26 AM |
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We were talking about the House. |
PassingFair |
Nov-07-10 12:15 PM |
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If Kerry doesn't want to be identified as a DLC member he should leave that caucus |
Recursion |
Nov-07-10 12:21 PM |
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He's not "in" that caucus. He's a Senator n/t |
PassingFair |
Nov-07-10 12:28 PM |
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Yes, he is in the Senate New Democrat Coalition |
Recursion |
Nov-07-10 12:29 PM |
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You're right...I had no idea he'd become so "out" about it. |
PassingFair |
Nov-07-10 12:43 PM |
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Sure, in the primaries. He was trying to capitalize on Dean's momentum |
Recursion |
Nov-07-10 12:46 PM |
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DLC=Democrats Lose Congress |
MannyGoldstein |
Nov-06-10 11:29 AM |
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95% of the Progressive Caucus won reelection, eh? |
Arkana |
Nov-06-10 11:30 AM |
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It's now buttered in a much smaller part of the country |
Recursion |
Nov-06-10 11:49 AM |
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And what does that prove? That if you draw a district so that the Democrat can't lose |
tritsofme |
Nov-06-10 02:09 PM |
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That's a new euphemisim..'front line districts' |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-06-10 04:05 PM |
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Yep. And progressives would never have won those districts in the first place. (nt) |
Recursion |
Nov-07-10 12:49 PM |
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Yes there is that |
underpants |
Nov-06-10 08:58 PM |
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Good data. Now find a progressive that can win in the districts the blue dogs lost |
Recursion |
Nov-06-10 11:50 AM |
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Clone Rep. DeFazio? |
0rganism |
Nov-06-10 02:27 PM |
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Coastal Oregon? |
Recursion |
Nov-06-10 03:46 PM |
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'Costal Oregon' is a terrible descriptor for the 4th |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-06-10 04:14 PM |
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+1 |
LWolf |
Nov-06-10 04:24 PM |
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who says that OR-4 is a "republican advantage district"? |
onenote |
Nov-07-10 01:21 PM |
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Yeah, I still don't get that. They elected a Democrat for the 12 years before DeFazio (nt) |
Recursion |
Nov-07-10 05:46 PM |
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New Deal |
countrydad58 |
Nov-06-10 03:53 PM |
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This is the rub |
treestar |
Nov-06-10 04:49 PM |
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The American voters, even in conservative leaning districts would not |
de novo |
Nov-07-10 12:50 PM |
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I expect it will be: |
Chan790 |
Nov-06-10 05:16 PM |
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Good riddance. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Nov-06-10 01:26 PM |
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K&R. |
Greyhound |
Nov-06-10 01:33 PM |
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Kick. n/t |
PassingFair |
Nov-06-10 03:19 PM |
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You can only sell Blue Dog bullshit for so long, then it catches up with you. n/t |
Jefferson23 |
Nov-06-10 04:10 PM |
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It's still a 64 seat deficit. |
Skidmore |
Nov-06-10 05:29 PM |
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"Mommy, I'm thirsty" |
SoCalDem |
Nov-06-10 07:15 PM |
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There you have it. The silver lining in the 2010 election debacle. eom |
NorthCarolina |
Nov-07-10 12:20 PM |
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