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Sat Nov-06-10 04:36 PM
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| 31. Thankfully you state your basic assumption upfront. |
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Because it's the crux of the problem...if progressives cannot win in those districts, then the solution has to be to fix our message so we can be competitive in those district. The solution can't be to continue to be pulled farther right and/or to continue to send purplish-red Democrats to office.
You solution is not a solution, if that's the best we can do then we need to do better or don't bother contesting those districts.
Blue-dogging is a terminal strategy.
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| -House- Progressive Caucus is now the plurality. How the Blue Dogs and New Dems did (badly) |
underpants |
Nov-06-10 10:47 AM |
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Countdown to claims that the progressives caused the losses in... |
Goblinmonger |
Nov-06-10 10:50 AM |
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Excellent. This may make for more of a two party system the |
mmonk |
Nov-06-10 10:52 AM |
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Thanks for this..and the post on the blue Dogs. |
BrklynLiberal |
Nov-06-10 11:10 AM |
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There was plenty of enthusiasm in the districts the blue dogs lost. |
Recursion |
Nov-06-10 11:53 AM |
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Yes, we voted enthusiastically. the problem was that there just isn't enough of us. |
CTyankee |
Nov-06-10 04:49 PM |
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That's the upside of this election. k&r |
polichick |
Nov-06-10 11:18 AM |
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It is easy to have a vast majority progressive caucus if your caucus is a powerless minority. |
BzaDem |
Nov-06-10 11:23 AM |
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I'd rather have a powerless minority than a powerless majority. |
PassingFair |
Nov-06-10 01:37 PM |
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What you are missing is that it is impossible to have a majority AT ALL without significant numbers |
BzaDem |
Nov-06-10 01:50 PM |
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What you are missing is that it is possible to tackle the New Dems head on... |
PassingFair |
Nov-06-10 01:54 PM |
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The next wave election will either elect lots of blue dogs/new dems, or will not elect a majority. |
BzaDem |
Nov-06-10 02:11 PM |
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How the hell do YOU know? |
PassingFair |
Nov-06-10 02:17 PM |
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"and people will be desperate for real progress and real representation" |
BzaDem |
Nov-06-10 02:21 PM |
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I am assuming that the people of conservative districts won't continue... |
PassingFair |
Nov-06-10 02:27 PM |
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That is kind of a false assumption though. If they lose their homes, they will blame it on liberals |
BzaDem |
Nov-06-10 03:48 PM |
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Then I guess there is nothing we can do for them. |
PassingFair |
Nov-06-10 04:18 PM |
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Yes, we do need to try to provide for all. To do that, we need a majority, and to get that, we need |
BzaDem |
Nov-06-10 04:40 PM |
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Jeebus, it's the conservative DEMS who stop us from putting the case to the people! |
PassingFair |
Nov-06-10 04:45 PM |
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Yeah, like they flushed down Alan Grayson, and Russ Feingold, and Tom Perriello. |
BzaDem |
Nov-06-10 05:07 PM |
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TWO Progressives lost. |
PassingFair |
Nov-06-10 05:24 PM |
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Umm, bullshit. You said people were looking for a choice. Grayson was a choice. He lost. n/t |
BzaDem |
Nov-06-10 05:25 PM |
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He also WON. |
PassingFair |
Nov-06-10 05:32 PM |
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He won before he cast votes. As soon as he was actually a Congressperson and cast votes, he lost. |
BzaDem |
Nov-06-10 05:33 PM |
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Bull. He never hid who he was. |
PassingFair |
Nov-06-10 05:40 PM |
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He won on coattails and lost on a wave. That's how those districts work. |
Recursion |
Nov-07-10 12:24 PM |
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And this is what is not being tried. The knee jerk reaction is "move right." |
CTyankee |
Nov-07-10 01:24 PM |
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"These rednecks will turn economic populists soon enough" |
Recursion |
Nov-07-10 01:07 PM |
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I think these center-right Dem coalitions are dead or dying. |
Chan790 |
Nov-06-10 04:43 PM |
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Then there won't be a next time for a Dem House. Once center-right-Dems are revived, then we might |
BzaDem |
Nov-06-10 04:44 PM |
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You need to lay-off the acid koolaid. |
Chan790 |
Nov-06-10 04:55 PM |
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You are correct that the type of Democrat needed to win in some districts might no longer be |
BzaDem |
Nov-06-10 05:05 PM |
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We keep losing the argument and the right keeps moving us more to the right. |
CTyankee |
Nov-06-10 07:05 PM |
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The whole world is moving to the right. Look at europe. |
Recursion |
Nov-07-10 12:32 PM |
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Thankfully you state your basic assumption upfront. |
Chan790 |
Nov-06-10 04:36 PM |
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Have you ever considered that the only way to "fix our message so we can be competitive in those |
BzaDem |
Nov-06-10 04:46 PM |
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Have you considered that people in those districts are rarely offered a choice? |
PassingFair |
Nov-06-10 04:51 PM |
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Alan Grayson just found out that he can't continue to win in a conservative district. |
BzaDem |
Nov-06-10 05:08 PM |
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He just did a pretty good job of proving that himself (nt) |
Recursion |
Nov-07-10 05:47 PM |
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No, that's the problem and not the solution. |
Chan790 |
Nov-06-10 05:02 PM |
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I think the problem with your Bohemia-analogy is that it is false. |
BzaDem |
Nov-06-10 05:11 PM |
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Okay, now I see our communication breakdown. |
Chan790 |
Nov-06-10 05:45 PM |
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"..abandoning our own Wall St. friends". Now you've done it! |
PassingFair |
Nov-06-10 05:48 PM |
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Hence, why I say the DLC is dead. n/t |
Chan790 |
Nov-06-10 05:57 PM |
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Hence, why I hope you are right. |
PassingFair |
Nov-06-10 06:00 PM |
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Mikulski, Reid, Feinstein, Nelson, Landrieu, Kerry, Stabenow... |
Recursion |
Nov-07-10 09:26 AM |
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We were talking about the House. |
PassingFair |
Nov-07-10 12:15 PM |
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If Kerry doesn't want to be identified as a DLC member he should leave that caucus |
Recursion |
Nov-07-10 12:21 PM |
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He's not "in" that caucus. He's a Senator n/t |
PassingFair |
Nov-07-10 12:28 PM |
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Yes, he is in the Senate New Democrat Coalition |
Recursion |
Nov-07-10 12:29 PM |
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You're right...I had no idea he'd become so "out" about it. |
PassingFair |
Nov-07-10 12:43 PM |
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Sure, in the primaries. He was trying to capitalize on Dean's momentum |
Recursion |
Nov-07-10 12:46 PM |
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DLC=Democrats Lose Congress |
MannyGoldstein |
Nov-06-10 11:29 AM |
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95% of the Progressive Caucus won reelection, eh? |
Arkana |
Nov-06-10 11:30 AM |
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It's now buttered in a much smaller part of the country |
Recursion |
Nov-06-10 11:49 AM |
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And what does that prove? That if you draw a district so that the Democrat can't lose |
tritsofme |
Nov-06-10 02:09 PM |
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That's a new euphemisim..'front line districts' |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-06-10 04:05 PM |
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Yep. And progressives would never have won those districts in the first place. (nt) |
Recursion |
Nov-07-10 12:49 PM |
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Yes there is that |
underpants |
Nov-06-10 08:58 PM |
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Good data. Now find a progressive that can win in the districts the blue dogs lost |
Recursion |
Nov-06-10 11:50 AM |
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Clone Rep. DeFazio? |
0rganism |
Nov-06-10 02:27 PM |
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Coastal Oregon? |
Recursion |
Nov-06-10 03:46 PM |
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'Costal Oregon' is a terrible descriptor for the 4th |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-06-10 04:14 PM |
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+1 |
LWolf |
Nov-06-10 04:24 PM |
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who says that OR-4 is a "republican advantage district"? |
onenote |
Nov-07-10 01:21 PM |
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Yeah, I still don't get that. They elected a Democrat for the 12 years before DeFazio (nt) |
Recursion |
Nov-07-10 05:46 PM |
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New Deal |
countrydad58 |
Nov-06-10 03:53 PM |
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This is the rub |
treestar |
Nov-06-10 04:49 PM |
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The American voters, even in conservative leaning districts would not |
de novo |
Nov-07-10 12:50 PM |
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I expect it will be: |
Chan790 |
Nov-06-10 05:16 PM |
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Good riddance. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Nov-06-10 01:26 PM |
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K&R. |
Greyhound |
Nov-06-10 01:33 PM |
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Kick. n/t |
PassingFair |
Nov-06-10 03:19 PM |
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You can only sell Blue Dog bullshit for so long, then it catches up with you. n/t |
Jefferson23 |
Nov-06-10 04:10 PM |
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It's still a 64 seat deficit. |
Skidmore |
Nov-06-10 05:29 PM |
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"Mommy, I'm thirsty" |
SoCalDem |
Nov-06-10 07:15 PM |
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There you have it. The silver lining in the 2010 election debacle. eom |
NorthCarolina |
Nov-07-10 12:20 PM |
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