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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 10:40 AM
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74. Yes. The need for criticism from the left does not justify the spin and false narratives
of people like Cenk, Ted Rall, and Dave Sirota. They didn't help pass a progressive agenda. They didn't help raise the profile of progressive issues. They did nothing but act as speed bumps to change, just as much as Fox News did.

We needed a progressive echo chamber to reinforce progressive words and actions taken by Obama. That should include accurate criticism but it also needs to include praise for the positive. Instead, we got a group of left cannibals determined to eat their own.
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  -How'd That Pissing on Obama Thing Work Out for You? JTFrog  Nov-05-10 05:08 AM   #0 
  - K&R! thank you so much for posting that, JTFrog! Truth!! nt  nofurylike   Nov-05-10 05:11 AM   #1 
  - "Truth!!" You know it!  Number23   Nov-06-10 02:01 AM   #111 
     - "SHOCKED, I tells ya" thanks for the LOL, Number23!!!  nofurylike   Nov-06-10 04:07 AM   #114 
  - How'd That Pissing on the Base Thing Work Out for Obama ?  Junkdrawer   Nov-05-10 05:12 AM   #2 
  - exactly  JCMach1   Nov-05-10 05:13 AM   #3 
  - Let's see. Obama has 1 vote, we have millions.  ChairmanAgnostic   Nov-05-10 05:15 AM   #4 
  - Yup. n/t  SusanaMontana41   Nov-06-10 06:01 AM   #118 
  - Oh you folks have had that covered for a couple days now.  JTFrog   Nov-05-10 05:16 AM   #5 
  - I think I see your problem  jgraz   Nov-05-10 10:02 AM   #54 
     - Common sense is the knack of seeing things as they are, and doing things as they ought to be done.  JTFrog   Nov-05-10 10:09 AM   #63 
     - You'll pardon me if I rely on actual facts, then  jgraz   Nov-05-10 10:20 AM   #67 
     - small steps are only as good as...  northernlights   Nov-05-10 12:32 PM   #88 
        - Ridiculous. n/t  JTFrog   Nov-05-10 12:41 PM   #91 
           - ridiculous is a good word.  northernlights   Nov-05-10 04:09 PM   #103 
              - ...the oil in the Gulf evaporated -- nothing here  WhaTHellsgoingonhere   Nov-06-10 10:55 AM   #122 
     - The post is littered with facts. You are the person he is addressing.  pasto76   Nov-05-10 10:51 AM   #80 
        - Here's a fact for you: The Democrats just lost the House.  jgraz   Nov-05-10 11:33 AM   #83 
  - Pretty well. To the extent that Obama even personally cares about running again, losing the House  BzaDem   Nov-05-10 05:32 AM   #14 
  - Good Point. Obama can now enact a DLC agenda AND look like a "hold the line" Democrat.  Junkdrawer   Nov-05-10 05:36 AM   #18 
  - FDR gained many seats in the 1934 mid terms  MannyGoldstein   Nov-05-10 05:53 AM   #22 
     - Well, if Obama had 60 votes in the Senate and GAINED seats in the House, that might have been fine.  BzaDem   Nov-05-10 12:45 PM   #92 
     - FDR lost 70 house seats and 6 senate seats in 1938, 55 House seats and 9 Senate seats in 1942.  JTFrog   Nov-05-10 03:23 PM   #98 
  - Good Point  Dinger   Nov-05-10 06:23 AM   #30 
  - +1  Le Taz Hot   Nov-05-10 07:36 AM   #42 
  - +1000  baldguy   Nov-05-10 09:46 AM   #51 
  - Recommending a reply!  ScreamingMeemie   Nov-05-10 09:51 AM   #53 
  - +1  racaulk   Nov-05-10 10:19 AM   #66 
  - Exactly how I feel.  Dappleganger   Nov-05-10 10:42 AM   #76 
  - Exactly. n/t  EFerrari   Nov-05-10 10:45 AM   #79 
  - +1  Individualist   Nov-05-10 11:42 AM   #85 
  - .....  bigwillq   Nov-05-10 03:24 PM   #99 
  - +1000  donheld   Nov-06-10 01:29 AM   #109 
  - HCR with escalating insurance premiums now, but no pre-existing coverage until 2014,  DailyGrind51   Nov-06-10 11:02 AM   #123 
  - His RTTT plan is a disaster. Enough teachers will not vote for him in 2012 that he may  Orlandodem   Nov-05-10 05:16 AM   #6 
  - I guess everyone is allowed to have dreams.  JTFrog   Nov-05-10 05:19 AM   #7 
  - Yep, most of the Blue Dawgs are still dreaming--AT HOME, POST ELECTION  Supersedeas   Nov-05-10 06:03 AM   #27 
  - We'll see how a Republican president works out for those English teachers. n/t  BzaDem   Nov-05-10 05:33 AM   #15 
  - Sweet. Teachers always find their lot improves under a Puke admin. nt  Codeine   Nov-05-10 06:51 AM   #35 
     - And how, pray tell, is it improving under Obama's administration?  TornadoTN   Nov-05-10 10:27 AM   #69 
  - He got all that done but he couldn't get unemployment down to 8%  dkf   Nov-05-10 05:19 AM   #8 
  - Or were things just truly that fucked up? n/t  JTFrog   Nov-05-10 05:19 AM   #9 
  - That would fall into the Impossible column.  dkf   Nov-05-10 05:21 AM   #10 
  - Yeah, it was impossible for Bush and Co. to FUBAR anything.  JTFrog   Nov-05-10 05:22 AM   #11 
  - Based Upon What Do You Think It Not The Case?  ProfessorGAC   Nov-05-10 06:21 AM   #29 
     - You don't think a huge WPA type program could have worked?  dkf   Nov-05-10 10:05 AM   #58 
        - I'm with you dkf.  LAGC   Nov-06-10 04:30 AM   #116 
  - The ARE just that ..  sendero   Nov-05-10 05:37 AM   #19 
  - yep  bluedave   Nov-05-10 06:11 AM   #28 
  - I dunno...ya suppose getting the HELL out of Iraq  timtom   Nov-05-10 06:57 AM   #36 
  - What makes you think it is possible in 2 years?  BzaDem   Nov-05-10 05:34 AM   #16 
  - You know what was possible in two years? Actually trying.  jgraz   Nov-05-10 10:06 AM   #59 
  - FDR did it.  dkf   Nov-05-10 10:09 AM   #62 
  - Boner said the same thing!  jpak   Nov-05-10 03:26 PM   #100 
  - Truth.  TreasonousBastard   Nov-05-10 05:27 AM   #12 
  - Rec'd fwiw. It's working well for a lot of people here apparently. nt  babylonsister   Nov-05-10 05:31 AM   #13 
  - Tax cuts for the rich bastards who sent our jobs away. 2011  B Calm   Nov-05-10 05:35 AM   #17 
  - so i am not to question the president?  madrchsod   Nov-05-10 05:50 AM   #20 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-05-10 05:53 AM   #23 
  - Why does it always have to be one extreme or the other? nt/  JTFrog   Nov-05-10 06:01 AM   #26 
     - why don't you tell us?  frylock   Nov-05-10 11:46 AM   #86 
        - I wouldn't know, try asking the all or nothing crowd, the kill the billers, etc. n/t  JTFrog   Nov-05-10 01:39 PM   #93 
           - the all or nothing crowd knew there was going to be small window of opportunity to get shit done..  frylock   Nov-05-10 02:54 PM   #95 
              - Yes.  JTFrog   Nov-05-10 02:55 PM   #96 
  - Somebody had to say it. K and R.  political_Dem   Nov-05-10 05:53 AM   #21 
  - About as well as his wars.  rug   Nov-05-10 05:59 AM   #24 
  - He did a lot of great things in a very short time within a system that is obvioulsy reluctant to  deacon   Nov-05-10 06:01 AM   #25 
  - Obama does not have a PR problem - he has a policy problem. CLOSE GITMO NOW!  grahamhgreen   Nov-05-10 06:28 AM   #31 
  - HOW? RETHUGS AND SOME DINOS VOTED AGAINST IT!!!!!11  babylonsister   Nov-05-10 06:45 AM   #33 
     - As commander in chief, order the troops to close it.  grahamhgreen   Nov-05-10 07:02 AM   #37 
  - K&R  CTLawGuy   Nov-05-10 06:31 AM   #32 
  - K & R.  BzaDem   Nov-05-10 06:47 AM   #34 
  - K&R  JoePhilly   Nov-05-10 07:02 AM   #38 
  - You have no idea how happy I was with the president's policies  Vinca   Nov-05-10 07:14 AM   #39 
  - No affordable health care, no public option and god only knows what in 2014  Mimosa   Nov-05-10 08:30 AM   #44 
  - Don't know. Obama never acted on the critisism. I bet it would have worked pretty good.  GOTV   Nov-05-10 07:30 AM   #40 
  - leaders take 0 responsibility these days and take glee in blaming everything on the little guy, like  ShamelessHussy   Nov-05-10 07:34 AM   #41 
  - hmm, but don't a lot of people say that Obama works for THEM(aka the people)  Bodhi BloodWave   Nov-05-10 06:53 PM   #107 
  - K & R  tanyev   Nov-05-10 08:12 AM   #43 
  - K&R  Bobbie Jo   Nov-05-10 09:21 AM   #45 
  - K&R  wndycty   Nov-05-10 09:25 AM   #46 
  - K&R and  CommonSensePLZ   Nov-05-10 09:35 AM   #47 
  - K/R.  TwilightGardener   Nov-05-10 09:41 AM   #48 
  - Not the guy I voted for  FamousMortimer   Nov-05-10 09:45 AM   #49 
  - K&R nt  CBR   Nov-05-10 09:45 AM   #50 
  - I'm sorry I can only unrec this once.  baldguy   Nov-05-10 09:48 AM   #52 
  - I'll throw another unrec your way  jgraz   Nov-05-10 10:03 AM   #55 
  - You must be talking about those attack rodents. n/t  JTFrog   Nov-05-10 03:54 PM   #101 
  - luckily he fixed all that in his presser the next day,  ChairmanAgnostic   Nov-05-10 10:06 AM   #60 
     - Hit that one out of the park  TornadoTN   Nov-05-10 10:29 AM   #70 
        - Well, you have to understand. It takes 60% of the voters to elect a Democrat  jgraz   Nov-05-10 06:29 PM   #106 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-05-10 10:04 AM   #56 
  - You mean aside from losing the House?  jgraz   Nov-05-10 10:06 AM   #61 
  - Republican-Loving Values are working swimmingly for Obama!  TornadoTN   Nov-05-10 10:32 AM   #71 
  - K&R  cliffordu   Nov-05-10 10:04 AM   #57 
  - Its working out well for many...  butterfly77   Nov-05-10 10:14 AM   #64 
  - Why do we have two posts on page 1?  B Calm   Nov-05-10 10:17 AM   #65 
  - What a load of horse pucky...  ljm2002   Nov-05-10 10:24 AM   #68 
  - Same old lame "If you'd clapped harder then Tinkerbelle would still be here" bullshit spin.  TheKentuckian   Nov-05-10 10:35 AM   #72 
  - ^this^  frylock   Nov-05-10 12:19 PM   #87 
  - How many times will this article get posted in GD?  bullwinkle428   Nov-05-10 10:40 AM   #73 
  - Until you learn to LIKE it! ker-SNAPPP! n/t  donco6   Nov-05-10 12:37 PM   #90 
  - Yes. The need for criticism from the left does not justify the spin and false narratives  Radical Activist   Nov-05-10 10:40 AM   #74 
  - Plus 1000  wndycty   Nov-05-10 11:00 AM   #82 
  - k&r  Skidmore   Nov-05-10 10:41 AM   #75 
  - K&R!!!  bushisanidiot   Nov-05-10 10:44 AM   #77 
  - Pathetic blame shifting.  EFerrari   Nov-05-10 10:45 AM   #78 
  - How'd That Pissing on Supporters Thing Work Out for Obama?  TexasObserver   Nov-05-10 10:51 AM   #81 
  - As usual...blame the left for the failures of the Centrists. Pathetic.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Nov-05-10 11:35 AM   #84 
  - More discussion at this thread w/ same subject line  Obamanaut   Nov-05-10 12:36 PM   #89 
  - D'oh, hijacked!  JTFrog   Nov-05-10 02:30 PM   #94 
  - thats what happens  WellsStreetHell   Nov-05-10 03:19 PM   #97 
  - K & R  Scurrilous   Nov-05-10 03:58 PM   #102 
  - Unrec for worthless scapegoating  jgraz   Nov-05-10 04:47 PM   #104 
  - Hippie punching!  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-05-10 04:49 PM   #105 
  - .  struggle4progress   Nov-05-10 09:14 PM   #108 
  - Word.  Hekate   Nov-06-10 01:56 AM   #110 
  - That needed to be said and should be repeated often.  LostInAnomie   Nov-06-10 02:22 AM   #112 
  - I don't quite fathom how you can have a PFLAG icon and argue with critiques of Obama.  readmoreoften   Nov-06-10 02:25 AM   #113 
  - I have a PFLAG icon because I fully support my two gay children and was a member  JTFrog   Nov-06-10 10:42 AM   #121 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-06-10 04:09 AM   #115 
  - Ewww.  JTFrog   Nov-06-10 10:39 AM   #120 
  - Well, it took a lot of pissing, but I think we finally got his fucking attention.  old mark   Nov-06-10 05:44 AM   #117 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Nov-06-10 06:45 AM   #119 
 

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