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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 01:38 PM
Response to Reply #183
202. it constitutes right-wing talking points because it is.
1. SS tax rates were deliberately raised in 1983 in order to produce a steadily growing surplus. The talking point was: The boomers can prefund their own benefits & not put a burden on the next generation. These surplus collections = the TF.

2. A 2% increase in SS taxes would cover the entire cost of future benefits -- even under the conservative assumptions of the SS Trustees.

3. However, rescinding the Bush tax cuts on the top 2% would pay off the entire TF, so there's no need to raise SS taxes.

Anything that styles SS as "welfare" or suggests there is a funding problem that requires structural asjustments to the program or benefit reductions = right-wing talking points.
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  -A tea bagger co-worker explained how he would fix America in 6 months Mortos  Nov-04-10 04:46 AM   #0 
  - That guy has no idea how to run things...  sakabatou   Nov-04-10 04:52 AM   #1 
  - Yes he does. He knows exactly how to run things. Limbaugh and Boehner have told him this works.  Kablooie   Nov-05-10 12:29 AM   #155 
  - And???  kwolf68   Nov-05-10 12:51 AM   #161 
  - KnR....The level of Ignorance out there is mind boggling, staggering, stunning...  opihimoimoi   Nov-04-10 04:53 AM   #2 
  - That's why I don't waste my time trying to educate or argue anymore  Mortos   Nov-04-10 04:55 AM   #5 
  - and they dare suggest the Dept of Ed eliminated  opihimoimoi   Nov-04-10 05:10 AM   #8 
  - What strikes me as mind boggling, staggering and stunning is that much of it is willful ignorance.  Arkansas Granny   Nov-04-10 07:51 AM   #40 
     - Confucius said SILENT MAN LEARN MORE THAN TALKATIVE ONE"  opihimoimoi   Nov-04-10 04:08 PM   #71 
  - He sounds exactly like Rand Paul  malaise   Nov-04-10 04:54 AM   #3 
  - No, Less Outsourcing  iamjoy   Nov-04-10 10:27 PM   #140 
  - Clueless. The people who get SS are getting their own money  SpiralHawk   Nov-04-10 04:55 AM   #4 
  - Unfortunately, not...  regnaD kciN   Nov-04-10 05:27 PM   #78 
  - That's correct.  Naturyl   Nov-04-10 05:51 PM   #82 
  - Welfare?  texastoast   Nov-04-10 09:35 PM   #135 
  - The money you pay to your insurance company doesn't go into a separate "account" either.  Hannah Bell   Nov-05-10 03:16 AM   #176 
  - You are wrong...Social Security was paid for and runs a surplus...  rfranklin   Nov-04-10 09:13 PM   #128 
  - You misunderstand...  regnaD kciN   Nov-05-10 06:52 AM   #183 
     - it constitutes right-wing talking points because it is.  Hannah Bell   Nov-05-10 01:38 PM   #202 
  - um, not since 1983 when the boomers started paying extra, supposedly to prefund their retirement.  Hannah Bell   Nov-05-10 03:14 AM   #175 
     - See my response above...  regnaD kciN   Nov-05-10 07:06 AM   #184 
  - Not only it would just hasten the death of millions of seniors...  Amonester   Nov-05-10 01:02 AM   #162 
     - I'm assuming that the aforementioned "nutcase" is quite young...  regnaD kciN   Nov-05-10 07:21 AM   #186 
  - I think you are seeing the power of advertising writ large...  nenagh   Nov-04-10 05:02 AM   #6 
  - Unemployment would skyrocket like mad, crime would increase 100-fold,  HughBeaumont   Nov-04-10 05:03 AM   #7 
  - I live in the same city as Mortos, and I know exactly the environment he speaks of  Wednesdays   Nov-04-10 07:34 AM   #34 
     - Where do you live so that I can stay away and don't wander there by accident?  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-04-10 08:37 PM   #118 
        - The great state of Oklahoma  Mortos   Nov-05-10 01:31 AM   #166 
  - This is the problem: His wish will NEVER happen  MrScorpio   Nov-04-10 05:11 AM   #9 
  - Social Security... An Entitlement????  Crusader Rabbit   Nov-04-10 05:13 AM   #10 
  - These morons apparently have no idea how Social Security works if they thinks it's some sort of  SammyWinstonJack   Nov-04-10 06:54 AM   #23 
  - Well, I'm a "clueless ignorant asshat," then.  Naturyl   Nov-04-10 05:56 PM   #84 
     - I don't think it's so much the demonizing of "welfare" as it is the demonizing of "entitlement."  WinkyDink   Nov-04-10 06:11 PM   #92 
     - Yeah, same general idea, though.  Naturyl   Nov-04-10 06:23 PM   #98 
     - Although I can agree that the word welfare should not have a  Curmudgeoness   Nov-04-10 06:43 PM   #104 
     - Who raided the Social Security Trust Fund?  txlibdem   Nov-05-10 02:04 PM   #203 
        - It will be self-fulfilled prophesy if they repeat it enough times  Curmudgeoness   Nov-05-10 05:30 PM   #207 
           - Maybe not enemies  txlibdem   Nov-05-10 10:01 PM   #209 
     - well, your calling it welfare  newspeak   Nov-04-10 08:42 PM   #120 
     - it is insurance. there are no individual accounts in insurance companies, either,  Hannah Bell   Nov-05-10 03:01 AM   #173 
  - Welcome to DU Crusader Rabbit!  NEOhiodemocrat   Nov-04-10 10:46 PM   #141 
  - Senior citizens  caveat_imperator   Nov-04-10 11:31 PM   #150 
  - I agree with you completely Crusader Rabbit!  Desertrose   Nov-05-10 12:41 AM   #159 
  - I run a medical cllinic so you'd think I would meet lots of fact based folks.  MedicalAdmin   Nov-04-10 05:14 AM   #11 
  - Going the way of the Roman Empire  formercia   Nov-04-10 07:18 AM   #27 
  - "Propaganda Plaque," that's good.  AspenRose   Nov-04-10 10:56 AM   #60 
  - Well, there IS good news, formercia! Read on...  alanquatermass   Nov-04-10 11:47 AM   #63 
     - I have a fondness for Gallows Humor.  formercia   Nov-04-10 02:53 PM   #70 
     - You're right, and it's good to keep that in mind.  Naturyl   Nov-04-10 06:06 PM   #87 
  - Used to know a doctor  DeschutesRiver   Nov-05-10 04:56 AM   #180 
     - You know Dr. Frank Burns???  regnaD kciN   Nov-05-10 07:32 AM   #187 
  - Reminds me of my co-worker who knew the answer to our difficulties in Iraq.  Mister Ed   Nov-04-10 05:17 AM   #12 
  - I've had that same conversation  progressoid   Nov-04-10 12:06 PM   #67 
  - He was a sociopath, quite likely.  Naturyl   Nov-04-10 06:10 PM   #90 
  - Eichmann was probably gentle and affable, too. But he made no pretense of "bringing democracy".  WinkyDink   Nov-04-10 06:17 PM   #95 
  - You mean John Goodman, or Walter Sobchek? (n/m)  ProudToBeBlueInRhody   Nov-04-10 06:33 PM   #103 
  - Sounds more like his character...  regnaD kciN   Nov-05-10 07:38 AM   #189 
  - Why just Iraqis...?  regnaD kciN   Nov-05-10 07:36 AM   #188 
  - This sort of thinking is every common, and not just in politics...  TreasonousBastard   Nov-04-10 05:23 AM   #13 
  - Yep. A friend of mine, after the 1980 election...  regnaD kciN   Nov-05-10 07:45 AM   #190 
  - Why bother even arguing with such a fucking moron?  6000eliot   Nov-04-10 05:31 AM   #14 
  - What none of them seem to get  quaker bill   Nov-04-10 05:53 AM   #15 
  - I think Britain is on the verge of trying it yet again.  rurallib   Nov-04-10 07:42 AM   #37 
  - But they don't care about any of those problems. In fact, they aren't even "problems" to them.  Naturyl   Nov-04-10 06:01 PM   #86 
  - exactly. Ironic isn't it,  veganlush   Nov-05-10 12:46 AM   #160 
  - You are absolutely correct on that.  Jamastiene   Nov-05-10 01:20 AM   #165 
  - It's called: someone who read Ayn Rand as a teenager...  regnaD kciN   Nov-05-10 07:48 AM   #191 
  - I wonder how many know that enlisting for WWII  newspeak   Nov-04-10 08:40 PM   #119 
  - I like what you wrote  Boudica the Lyoness   Nov-04-10 09:26 PM   #131 
  - don't forget that that was also when people were still able to provide for themselves  Hannah Bell   Nov-05-10 03:07 AM   #174 
  - Why would you waste time debating a complex topic with a simple-minded moron?  mwb970   Nov-04-10 05:57 AM   #16 
  - Um, Social Security Is An Insurance Program  ProfessorGAC   Nov-04-10 06:06 AM   #17 
  - Additionally, 2 out of 3 seniors rely on Social Security  PA Democrat   Nov-04-10 06:18 AM   #18 
  - And They Paid Into That System for 40 or 50 Years  ProfessorGAC   Nov-04-10 06:28 AM   #20 
  - it is NOT an insurance program.  provis99   Nov-04-10 10:21 PM   #138 
     - You're Wrong  ProfessorGAC   Nov-05-10 06:31 AM   #182 
  - Typical teabagger:  socialshockwave   Nov-04-10 06:18 AM   #19 
  - "All of the teabaggers are like this..."  txaslftist   Nov-04-10 10:46 PM   #142 
     - There isn't any point.  Codeine   Nov-05-10 02:13 AM   #168 
  - "He would fire half of the U.S. Senators and Congress"  chemenger   Nov-04-10 06:44 AM   #21 
  - well, I had an idea about elections in this country  newspeak   Nov-04-10 08:52 PM   #123 
  - A consumption tax on the order required to fund the government -  trotsky   Nov-04-10 06:47 AM   #22 
  - 'piqued' interest. nt  Obamanaut   Nov-04-10 06:54 AM   #24 
  - and they have the brass to call liberals naive  geckosfeet   Nov-04-10 06:57 AM   #25 
  - Hey, it worked for the Russian Czar.  Throckmorton   Nov-04-10 07:06 AM   #26 
  - These people should not be allowed to vote.  Dappleganger   Nov-04-10 07:20 AM   #28 
  - The guy sounds very Hitlerish. Let people starve and die.  Vinca   Nov-04-10 07:24 AM   #29 
  - As my mother would say, "You just don't understand." The only legitimate  mudplanet   Nov-04-10 07:24 AM   #30 
  - Sounds like Obama's plan for "turning around" schools. nt  LWolf   Nov-04-10 07:27 AM   #31 
  - Well, fortunately, nobody's going to let him "fix" things.  GoCubsGo   Nov-04-10 07:29 AM   #32 
  - Typical teabagger lack of mentality  Brewman_Jax   Nov-04-10 07:31 AM   #33 
  - I see they learned nothing from the Tennessee house fire incident  Brewman_Jax   Nov-04-10 10:24 AM   #58 
  - Ah yes, we had that once. It was called the 1920's. nt  tsuki   Nov-04-10 07:38 AM   #35 
  - yeah, you should have asked him if he ever read any US history  newspeak   Nov-04-10 11:14 AM   #61 
  - they are mentally spoiled children who can think no further than, "i wanna cookie!"  NuttyFluffers   Nov-04-10 07:39 AM   #36 
  - Someone on this site once said . . .  HughBeaumont   Nov-04-10 09:30 AM   #48 
     - 100%  txaslftist   Nov-05-10 12:33 AM   #158 
  - I think his arguments and logic definitely have  Ichingcarpenter   Nov-04-10 07:47 AM   #38 
  - They need to be reminded of what taxes and the social contract are.  BurtWorm   Nov-04-10 07:48 AM   #39 
  - Folks Paid Into A Lot Of Those Programs And Righfully Expect Their Benefits  DemocratSinceBirth   Nov-04-10 07:55 AM   #41 
  - My grandfather bagged a Kamikaze. Bagging a Bagger  Cobalt-60   Nov-05-10 01:19 AM   #164 
  - The sicknes is spreading...  Blue_Tires   Nov-04-10 07:56 AM   #42 
  - You work with Ayn Rand? I am sorry for you.  JohnnyBoots   Nov-04-10 08:46 AM   #43 
  - Not As Sorry As I Am  ProfessorGAC   Nov-04-10 08:50 PM   #122 
  - I wonder if any of his relatives/in-laws are receiving SS or Medicare. nt  raccoon   Nov-04-10 08:48 AM   #44 
  - The mental picture of him getting ripped to shreds by seniors  bullwinkle428   Nov-04-10 08:56 AM   #45 
  - Beaten to death by canes and handbags.  HughBeaumont   Nov-04-10 09:26 AM   #47 
  - Hell, if you're looking for simplistic, unconstitutional solutions, I could do it in 4 months!  baldguy   Nov-04-10 09:11 AM   #46 
  - Shit, if I can dispense with math and basic human morality, I can do it in 7 days. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-04-10 09:34 AM   #50 
     - if we can embrace wide-scale mass murder and liquidation, i could do it even quicker.  datasuspect   Nov-04-10 05:57 PM   #85 
        - Oh, there's a quick way to do it...  regnaD kciN   Nov-05-10 08:43 AM   #194 
  - Does he like perchlorate in his drinking water?  Gold Metal Flake   Nov-04-10 09:33 AM   #49 
  - I would get over it real fast without my social security  JitterbugPerfume   Nov-04-10 09:36 AM   #51 
  - Did you ask this idiot about the "defense" budget?  JackRiddler   Nov-04-10 09:38 AM   #52 
  - What do you think he meant ...  Pacifist Patriot   Nov-04-10 11:21 AM   #62 
  - Does he have family?  guitar man   Nov-04-10 09:41 AM   #53 
  - I really wish I could get my social sec I paid in...  DeadEyeDyck   Nov-04-10 08:59 PM   #125 
     - Exactly  guitar man   Nov-04-10 09:23 PM   #130 
  - What the teabaggers want would make America look like a Dickens novel.  arbusto_baboso   Nov-04-10 09:44 AM   #54 
  - More like an Atwood novel.  BlueIris   Nov-04-10 05:46 PM   #80 
  - "I'm sorry but you ain't getting any more money. Get over it."  Urban Prairie   Nov-04-10 10:00 AM   #55 
  - You appear to be working with Dwight Schrute III. His 6-month plan would be the end of the U.S.  VOX   Nov-04-10 10:14 AM   #56 
  - In other words, he is clueless how our government works. n/t  wisteria   Nov-04-10 10:19 AM   #57 
  - They want Somalia.  Ikonoklast   Nov-04-10 10:38 AM   #59 
  - "Somaliacare"  Naturyl   Nov-04-10 06:14 PM   #93 
  - They dont know what they wish for  IDHow   Nov-04-10 11:51 AM   #64 
  - The Pukes Make Me Want To Bang My Head Against a Wall  we can do it   Nov-04-10 11:51 AM   #65 
  - I just wish we could send these stupid fucks to an alternate universe  Ganja Ninja   Nov-04-10 11:52 AM   #66 
  - He's not just a teabagger, he's the Republican base.  progressoid   Nov-04-10 12:07 PM   #68 
  - According to NPR, these citizens are our hope for a better America  Blue Owl   Nov-04-10 02:08 PM   #69 
  - The gloating tone on NPR right now makes me want to puke.  Crunchy Frog   Nov-04-10 10:53 PM   #145 
     - They know the teabaggers want to defund NPR...  regnaD kciN   Nov-05-10 08:48 AM   #195 
        - They've been massaging the teabagger movement since it was  Crunchy Frog   Nov-05-10 04:49 PM   #205 
  - Eliminate SS and Medicare and say I'm sorry and get over it?  ThoughtCriminal   Nov-04-10 04:36 PM   #72 
  - I wish. But the only way you'll ever see a riot in America is if you cut the cable TV. nt  Lorien   Nov-04-10 05:02 PM   #76 
     - That's a hell of an idea. No more Fox news. woohoo  indy legend   Nov-04-10 06:11 PM   #91 
  - If they issue their fascistic orders clearly who wouldn't simply obey?  librechik   Nov-04-10 04:48 PM   #73 
  - Powdered glass in baby formula = Tea Bagger Dream  AnArmyVeteran   Nov-04-10 04:53 PM   #74 
  - I see conservatives of every stripe spewing the same nonsense here in Florida  Lorien   Nov-04-10 05:00 PM   #75 
  - Ding ding ding.  Naturyl   Nov-04-10 06:16 PM   #94 
  - Someone needs to remind him that taxes are the price we pay for a  kestrel91316   Nov-04-10 05:17 PM   #77 
  - I wish there was a way to give these people their wish and not collect  LibDemAlways   Nov-04-10 08:29 PM   #114 
  - Sounds like he's an anarchist.  tridim   Nov-04-10 05:43 PM   #79 
  - Nah, more like an analist...  regnaD kciN   Nov-05-10 08:50 AM   #196 
  - Mmmm, yeah, he's obviously a real genius.  Naturyl   Nov-04-10 05:48 PM   #81 
  - How old is this person? Does he have elderly parents?  LibDemAlways   Nov-04-10 05:56 PM   #83 
  - He is 45 and he is a government employee  Mortos   Nov-04-10 07:55 PM   #109 
     - What an idiot. He sounds like some of my  LibDemAlways   Nov-04-10 08:15 PM   #111 
     - Some Might Think That This Co-Worker is Fictitious  LarryNM   Nov-04-10 09:28 PM   #133 
     - So, feeding off the government teat, eh?  regnaD kciN   Nov-05-10 08:52 AM   #197 
  - No Taxes never worked and never will  fascisthunter   Nov-04-10 06:08 PM   #88 
  - Simple solutions for simple minded people... n/t  taught_me_patience   Nov-04-10 06:08 PM   #89 
  - His ideal government already exists in Somalia...  HooptieWagon   Nov-04-10 06:20 PM   #96 
  - What a moran!  Odin2005   Nov-04-10 06:23 PM   #97 
  - I would have said "so, then you'd be happy just letting those peole die?"  HughMoran   Nov-04-10 06:24 PM   #99 
  - Yep, I'm surrounded by these types as well  Ishoutandscream2   Nov-04-10 06:27 PM   #100 
  - How did I guess cutting social programs would be first on his list?  Initech   Nov-04-10 06:28 PM   #101 
  - I hope he enjoys working for slave labor  ProudToBeBlueInRhody   Nov-04-10 06:32 PM   #102 
  - Just tell him he has to pay for his mother's health care bills!  CTyankee   Nov-04-10 06:50 PM   #105 
  - Without her Medicare, his life could certainly become very ugly in  LibDemAlways   Nov-04-10 08:19 PM   #112 
  - I'd guess he belongs to the "throw momma from the train" school of thought.  Crunchy Frog   Nov-04-10 10:55 PM   #147 
  - tell him to go to Mexico  southmost   Nov-04-10 06:54 PM   #106 
  - Mexico isn't so bad.  txaslftist   Nov-04-10 10:54 PM   #146 
     - You're a real charmer, dude.  Codeine   Nov-05-10 02:15 AM   #169 
  - Best thumbnail sketch of a bagger ever..  Permanut   Nov-04-10 07:00 PM   #107 
  - What you need to do is go find a history book  MadMaddie   Nov-04-10 07:42 PM   #108 
  - "Diary of the Great Depression" by Benjamin Roth - written from pretty much the start to the 40s.  DeschutesRiver   Nov-05-10 05:36 AM   #181 
  - Only one thing. We these idiots get old they are going to want these benefits too.  southernyankeebelle   Nov-04-10 08:14 PM   #110 
  - Funny line from the bagger...  SOS   Nov-04-10 08:23 PM   #113 
  - This teabagger doesn't know that business would be free to send his job overseas.  muntrv   Nov-04-10 08:32 PM   #115 
  - There is a phrase from Solomon about this...  rasputin1952   Nov-04-10 08:33 PM   #116 
  - Ooh, a horrible combination--mean "just cut off Social Security" and dumb  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-04-10 08:36 PM   #117 
  - Your tea bagger co-worker only explained how he would destroy America in 6 months  GearHeadTheStalker   Nov-04-10 08:48 PM   #121 
  - Still....  femrap   Nov-04-10 08:58 PM   #124 
  - So, basically, this guy wants to steal from the Social Security trust  JDPriestly   Nov-04-10 09:01 PM   #126 
  - If he's that much of a libertarian, he probably wouldn't care...  regnaD kciN   Nov-05-10 08:57 AM   #198 
     - Right now, you can reach retirement with money in the bank,  JDPriestly   Nov-05-10 03:02 PM   #204 
  - and his head would be on a pike 10 days after he took over  Drale   Nov-04-10 09:05 PM   #127 
  - You work with Meg Whitman?  WhaTHellsgoingonhere   Nov-04-10 09:16 PM   #129 
  - that is how you turn America into a third world country...  and-justice-for-all   Nov-04-10 09:26 PM   #132 
  - Guaranteed recipe for revolt and rioting in the streets...  pipi_k   Nov-04-10 09:31 PM   #134 
  - Why didn't you encourage the dolt to run for office next time around...  Javaman   Nov-04-10 09:40 PM   #136 
  - . . . oh, and it's going to be HIGH-larry-us.  HughBeaumont   Nov-05-10 04:25 AM   #177 
  - It will be like watching a clown car smashing into a wall...  Javaman   Nov-05-10 08:38 AM   #192 
  - Don't encourage him...  regnaD kciN   Nov-05-10 08:57 AM   #199 
  - That person educated himself with Ayn Rand and stopped.  caseymoz   Nov-04-10 10:10 PM   #137 
  - I can almost guarantee you he hasn't read a book  Mortos   Nov-05-10 01:40 AM   #167 
  - And who do you think they've read?  caseymoz   Nov-05-10 08:33 PM   #208 
  - "Ayn Rand" and "educated" don't belong in the same sentence...  regnaD kciN   Nov-05-10 08:59 AM   #200 
  - For 56 years I've been fighting off Reality  ProudDad   Nov-04-10 10:21 PM   #139 
  - In 6 months we could become Haiti with nukes. n/t  Crunchy Frog   Nov-04-10 10:48 PM   #143 
  - Yay!! We'll be Uganda with the worlds largest nuke arsenal.  tjwash   Nov-04-10 10:51 PM   #144 
  - Absolute fucking bullshit.  KeyserSoze87   Nov-04-10 11:10 PM   #148 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-04-10 11:14 PM   #149 
  - I know a teabagger who gave my his long laundry list  mackerel   Nov-04-10 11:46 PM   #152 
  - Brainwash complete  KT2000   Nov-04-10 11:46 PM   #151 
  - most people are really really stupid  harmonicon   Nov-05-10 12:07 AM   #153 
  - This is called "MARKET FUNDAMENTALISM" (the creed of the marketeers)  NAO   Nov-05-10 12:11 AM   #154 
  - This is exactly what the right says will fix all our problems and the fools believe it.  Kablooie   Nov-05-10 12:30 AM   #156 
  - Is it just me, or does anyone else here get the feeling that "Idiocracy" began last Tuesday?  Harry Monroe   Nov-05-10 12:33 AM   #157 
  - Actually, this "round" of "Idiocracy" began in November 1980.  Amonester   Nov-05-10 01:08 PM   #201 
  - I would have told him that I'm working towards 2012 to "Take my Country Back" from  Larkspur   Nov-05-10 01:09 AM   #163 
  - Guys like this are often wrong, but never in doubt  NICO9000   Nov-05-10 02:34 AM   #170 
  - and when 75-year-olds starting crowding the sidewalks with their public dyings, he'd say -- ?  Hannah Bell   Nov-05-10 02:57 AM   #171 
  - A lot of people really do think that they could be elected,  FrenchieCat   Nov-05-10 02:59 AM   #172 
  - Ask him how much of the miltiary he would get rid of....  Historic NY   Nov-05-10 04:26 AM   #178 
  - Peanut head solutions!!!  BlueJac   Nov-05-10 04:39 AM   #179 
  - I believe what your friend just advocated for was the Gilded Age  Bucky   Nov-05-10 07:11 AM   #185 
  - Dumbass doesn't realise we PAY INTO SOCIAL SECURITY OURSELVES!  Mimosa   Nov-05-10 08:42 AM   #193 
  - A caller to Washington Journal said almost the same thing this AM. Maybe it was him! nt  kittykitty   Nov-05-10 04:55 PM   #206 
  - stupid is!  lunasun   Nov-05-10 11:35 PM   #210 

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