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105. If you aren't unemployed, you probably know someone who is.
That is the single issue which is going to determine the outcome in 2012, imo. I really hope the party focuses in on the economy and job growth over the next two years. Health care, market and banking regulation, cap and trade, education reform, green technology and a plethora of other progressive issues can all be addressed, but need to be presented in terms of their impact on the economy and jobs.

Don't let it get you too down, Skinner. Flowers blossom out of compost.
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  -That wasn't very much fun. Skinner  Nov-03-10 12:11 PM   #0 
  - Getting spanked is never fun. K&R....  ColesCountyDem   Nov-03-10 12:13 PM   #1 
  - Well....  Fla_Democrat   Nov-03-10 12:17 PM   # 
  - LOL!  ColesCountyDem   Nov-03-10 12:18 PM   #11 
  - Depends on who's doing the spanking....nt  raccoon   Nov-03-10 02:21 PM   #103 
  - You are so naughty ... lol! n/t  SusanaMontana41   Nov-03-10 03:11 PM   #111 
  - It really stems from the fact that Americans love them some delusion,  stopbush   Nov-03-10 03:10 PM   #110 
  - They blew it.  de novo   Nov-03-10 12:14 PM   #2 
  - "They"?  aquart   Nov-03-10 12:17 PM   #8 
  - Yes, they who govern blew it.  de novo   Nov-03-10 12:19 PM   #13 
  - the simplist of things obama did to create jobs was what right used against him this election  seabeyond   Nov-03-10 12:20 PM   #16 
  - Unemployment is still around 10%.  de novo   Nov-03-10 12:24 PM   #22 
  - well gee, we can a;ways resort to that magic wand. why didnt obama think of that? nt  seabeyond   Nov-03-10 12:25 PM   #27 
  - He was effective in producing results.  de novo   Nov-03-10 12:29 PM   #40 
  - Wonderfully vague...  LanternWaste   Nov-03-10 03:41 PM   #115 
  - Obama was not effective in producing good results.  friedfish2718   Nov-04-10 06:12 AM   #158 
  - Or he could have told the truth that $700 billion in stimulus was too small to help a lot,  laughingliberal   Nov-03-10 09:22 PM   #139 
  - It's nice to think that  lark   Nov-03-10 12:33 PM   #48 
     - There was an awful lot of outside  Mojorabbit   Nov-03-10 12:41 PM   #54 
        - There were a lot here in NC too. Now we first rpig led(ruled?) govt  HillbillyBob   Nov-04-10 10:56 AM   #178 
  - True, while it could have been better, the stimulus created jobs  Uzybone   Nov-03-10 12:26 PM   #31 
     - cash for clunkers, auto bailout, least restriction on wallstreet, credit card  seabeyond   Nov-03-10 12:28 PM   #37 
  - The deafness in the Beltway really contributed to this, I believe  tavalon   Nov-03-10 12:28 PM   #34 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-03-10 12:58 PM   #70 
  - ...  SammyWinstonJack   Nov-03-10 01:12 PM   #79 
  - They failed to grasp that the other side wanted to vilify them  HillbillyBob   Nov-04-10 10:52 AM   #177 
  - Dupe. Please delete. n/t  ColesCountyDem   Nov-03-10 12:14 PM   #3 
  - Sometimes, I Think We Should Have Learned From Bush / Cheney  NashVegas   Nov-03-10 12:15 PM   #4 
  - Harry Reid winning was a very bright spot for me. Suck it, tearacists! nt  onehandle   Nov-03-10 12:15 PM   #5 
  - Yeah.  aquart   Nov-03-10 12:16 PM   #6 
  - Pretty good analysis overall  LiberalEsto   Nov-03-10 12:16 PM   #7 
  - Obama owns the unfairness  zipplewrath   Nov-03-10 12:18 PM   #9 
  - The Bailouts cost virtually nothing compared to the S&L bailout  NJmaverick   Nov-03-10 12:25 PM   #26 
  - Nor care either  zipplewrath   Nov-03-10 12:27 PM   #33 
     - $29 billion to prevent another Great Depression was an absolute bargain  NJmaverick   Nov-03-10 12:32 PM   #46 
     - To moderate one  zipplewrath   Nov-03-10 01:00 PM   #71 
     - I'm sorry but that is just a fairy tale.  Imperialism Inc.   Nov-03-10 01:26 PM   #90 
     - While Repugs would have done much more harm,  lark   Nov-03-10 12:41 PM   #52 
  - And recently, he stated cramdowns and other such imperatives would reward 'undeserving' defaulters.  closeupready   Nov-03-10 12:46 PM   #62 
     - As oppose to those deserving bankers  zipplewrath   Nov-03-10 01:02 PM   #72 
     - Exactly.  closeupready   Nov-03-10 01:06 PM   #75 
        - The idea does no good at all.  zipplewrath   Nov-03-10 01:07 PM   #76 
     - I think by "undeserving" defaulters, he meant property speculators.  subterranean   Nov-04-10 10:31 AM   #174 
  - In the polls I saw, the economy was 60%+ as top issue  Warren Stupidity   Nov-03-10 12:18 PM   #10 
  - "instead of constantly attacking President Obama"... nah, that'll still happen. ppl can multitask...  dionysus   Nov-03-10 12:19 PM   #12 
  - Nicely put.  MineralMan   Nov-03-10 12:19 PM   #14 
  - What you are seeing is political analysis. Interesting that you  sabrina 1   Nov-03-10 09:05 PM   #131 
     - Exactly. Apologists want to just brush it all off by citing, "the economy", as if  Marr   Nov-03-10 09:16 PM   #133 
        - + 1,000 n/t  sabrina 1   Nov-03-10 09:18 PM   #135 
  - I think Obama's biggest "failure" has been in educating the people about his policies &the problems  housewolf   Nov-03-10 12:19 PM   #15 
  - It's hard to educate people who refuse to be educated  ProudToBeBlueInRhody   Nov-03-10 12:23 PM   #20 
  - I disagree  Mojorabbit   Nov-03-10 12:44 PM   #58 
  - exactly!  tigereye   Nov-03-10 12:51 PM   #64 
  - That's my biggest beef with the party as a whole. We need to educate  DevonRex   Nov-03-10 12:55 PM   #68 
  - The economy wins or loses it for both sides  NJmaverick   Nov-03-10 12:20 PM   #17 
  - Wall Street is a well oiled machine.  siligut   Nov-03-10 12:22 PM   #18 
  - Recommend - thanks for thoughts Skinner - we all  xchrom   Nov-03-10 12:22 PM   #19 
  - Alerted, for insufficient support of the Democratic Party!  bullwinkle428   Nov-03-10 12:23 PM   #21 
  - I agree  NoNothing   Nov-03-10 12:24 PM   #23 
  - Exactly.  chimpymustgo   Nov-03-10 12:35 PM   #49 
  - Good post Skinner  HughMoran   Nov-03-10 12:24 PM   #24 
  - Rec - support our President + get rid of Citizens United nt  flamingdem   Nov-03-10 12:24 PM   #25 
  - Absolutely. The Citizens United case had a huge impact on this election!  Misskittycat   Nov-03-10 12:45 PM   #61 
  - The mood of telectorate seems to be not so much "what have you done for me yesterday or today"  John Commonsense   Nov-03-10 12:25 PM   #28 
  - I'm surprised but delighted to hear that you are giving Krugman some credit for his wisdom.  bobbolink   Nov-03-10 12:26 PM   #29 
  - Yes, Krugman needs to not be dismissed the way he has been.  GreenPartyVoter   Nov-03-10 12:41 PM   #51 
  - WISDOM is always the most needed quality. Tossing it away because of pride is a tragedy,  bobbolink   Nov-03-10 12:45 PM   #59 
  - K & R your message  lark   Nov-03-10 12:44 PM   #57 
  - Krugman was right all along  mntleo2   Nov-03-10 01:09 PM   #78 
     - I agree except to say it is beyond sad... it is a tragedy. One many of us saw coming.  bobbolink   Nov-03-10 01:12 PM   #81 
     - Spot on!  Myrina   Nov-04-10 08:33 AM   #164 
  - Yep, this is the best shot in the arm for unity for DU that we could have hoped for  tavalon   Nov-03-10 12:26 PM   #30 
  - I'm astounded at the optimism of your last sentence.  DevonRex   Nov-03-10 12:27 PM   #32 
  - agree. n/t.  okieinpain   Nov-03-10 12:28 PM   #35 
  - All good points  October   Nov-03-10 12:28 PM   #36 
  - I agree. And I'm not too bothered--it would be quite the miracle for  TwilightGardener   Nov-03-10 12:29 PM   #38 
  - A generally good assessment.  TexasObserver   Nov-03-10 12:29 PM   #39 
  - being Californian there's a bit more sunshine on my face today  proud patriot   Nov-03-10 12:30 PM   #41 
  - Happy about California, too! It's glum in my part of PA  October   Nov-03-10 12:31 PM   #43 
  - I'm so sorry  proud patriot   Nov-03-10 12:42 PM   #55 
  - Could be worse you could be in AZ.  lonestarnot   Nov-03-10 10:35 PM   #144 
  - wow, it's amazing. I was thinking about when I canvassed from Brown here  tigereye   Nov-03-10 12:54 PM   #66 
  - Being Coloradan, I'm so very happy we dodged 2 major bullets: Buck and Tancredo.  DevonRex   Nov-03-10 01:05 PM   #74 
  - I'm quite happy to be a Delawarean today!  Mad_Dem_X   Nov-03-10 03:37 PM   #114 
  - The economy will get better, but it's largely because of the policies of the last two years.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-03-10 12:31 PM   #42 
  - I know I'm acting like a major pest about this, but now that we've got our work cut out for us  LoZoccolo   Nov-03-10 12:31 PM   #44 
  - no, it was not very much fun...  handmade34   Nov-03-10 12:31 PM   #45 
  - Kicking Boner every day is going to become a new sport for me.  Dappleganger   Nov-03-10 12:32 PM   #47 
  - But of course! We'll make however much lemonade we can extract from the situation!  Buns_of_Fire   Nov-03-10 05:22 PM   #121 
  - I pretty much agree with everything you said  blogslut   Nov-03-10 12:40 PM   #50 
  - Hey, KIDS! We actually DID GREAT!  BanTheGOP   Nov-03-10 12:41 PM   #53 
  - They took out Feingold. That is counting about 10x for me today.  AllyCat   Nov-03-10 12:45 PM   #60 
  - Boy I agree. Wisconsin is just desolate, IMHO.  Lifelong Protester   Nov-03-10 02:44 PM   #106 
  - I rec your post! It was NOT the "tsunami" the MSM kept hammering.  stubtoe   Nov-03-10 01:13 PM   #82 
  - Thanks Skinner. I'm feeling pretty crummy today in WI. Your post makes me realize  AllyCat   Nov-03-10 12:43 PM   #56 
  - Well, shit happens.  Naturyl   Nov-03-10 12:51 PM   #63 
  - Dear Mr. President  KT2000   Nov-03-10 12:51 PM   #65 
  - "It'll be refreshing to see people on DU going after Republicans a little more often..  Scurrilous   Nov-03-10 12:55 PM   #67 
  - But when does that start exactly?  DevonRex   Nov-03-10 12:57 PM   #69 
     - LOL  Scurrilous   Nov-03-10 10:37 PM   #145 
  - Good analysis and I broadly agree. Two factors you didn't bring in that I find  NRaleighLiberal   Nov-03-10 01:05 PM   #73 
  - Couldn't have said it better.  DevonRex   Nov-03-10 01:09 PM   #77 
  - That's sad. As long as Dems continue blaming it on "the media" et al, nothing at all will change.  bobbolink   Nov-03-10 01:16 PM   #84 
  - I am not blaming it on the media. I noted it is a parallel factor and can't be ignored.  NRaleighLiberal   Nov-03-10 01:18 PM   #86 
     - And the lack of intelligent analysis by folks like Tweety.  DevonRex   Nov-03-10 01:24 PM   #88 
     - I'm glad to hear that. However, I repeat.... the "ignoring" was done by those in power.... in the  bobbolink   Nov-03-10 01:24 PM   #89 
  - I am not sure that the Citizens United decision had a large impact this election...  Skinner   Nov-03-10 01:18 PM   #85 
     - Absolutely agree with you. On whether the CU decision gave the right an advantage..  NRaleighLiberal   Nov-03-10 01:20 PM   #87 
  - Good post, Skinner.  mvd   Nov-03-10 01:12 PM   #80 
  - My advice?  BeFree   Nov-03-10 01:14 PM   #83 
  - True, now that we have our old enemy back in power. We can all  Rex   Nov-03-10 01:26 PM   #91 
  - My guess is that 95% of voters don't even know what the "public option" is.  Skinner   Nov-03-10 01:31 PM   #93 
     - I disagree. The Public Option was a big deal, and a lot of folks-rightly or wrongly-felt had.  Warren DeMontague   Nov-03-10 01:37 PM   #96 
     - I have to admit you might be right about Sharron Angle, she was  Rex   Nov-03-10 05:04 PM   #120 
     - It was more than Angle being crazy. Harry carried the county where she was elected to the  laughingliberal   Nov-03-10 09:19 PM   #136 
        - Wow. I have to admit that is an amazing statistic.  Rex   Nov-03-10 09:44 PM   #142 
     - People may not know what a public option is now but they'd have known if they got one and they'd...  laughingliberal   Nov-03-10 09:16 PM   #134 
        - +6.02e23  MannyGoldstein   Nov-04-10 06:53 AM   #159 
  - We are losing these elections because  tiredtoo   Nov-03-10 01:30 PM   #92 
  - We should have assumed the GOP would try to obstruct, ditched the filibuster at the outset  Warren DeMontague   Nov-03-10 01:34 PM   #94 
  - I guess we see things very differently  Vinnie From Indy   Nov-03-10 01:34 PM   #95 
  - Agree with you. He tried to work with many who consider him a...  WorseBeforeBetter   Nov-03-10 03:59 PM   #116 
  - If we were more into guns, more anti-gay, more pro-war, more low tax  Evasporque   Nov-03-10 01:49 PM   #97 
  - Good points. I think the approach in the next two years may change a bit, though, by necessity.  pinto   Nov-03-10 01:51 PM   #98 
  - Two major points to consider, folks.  ProudDad   Nov-03-10 01:56 PM   #99 
  - No it wasn't.  Better Believe It   Nov-03-10 01:59 PM   #100 
  - It was fun in California.  Liberal_in_LA   Nov-03-10 02:02 PM   #101 
  - This is the best explanation of last night's results I've read. I agree.  Tatiana   Nov-03-10 02:19 PM   #102 
  - War is not even mentioned.  rug   Nov-03-10 02:42 PM   #104 
  - Thank you.  Dystopian   Nov-03-10 09:01 PM   #129 
  - +1 n/t  Catherina   Nov-03-10 09:29 PM   #140 
  - If you aren't unemployed, you probably know someone who is.  frustrated_lefty   Nov-03-10 02:44 PM   #105 
  - There is a bright side.  Lasher   Nov-03-10 03:02 PM   #107 
  - People need Jobs Jobs Jobs does seem to be the main lesson.  Imperialism Inc.   Nov-03-10 03:07 PM   #108 
  - There's a story on that quotes a chastened Obama as saying,  crim son   Nov-03-10 03:09 PM   #109 
  - Not fun at all  Tsiyu   Nov-03-10 03:18 PM   #112 
  - The recession  creon   Nov-03-10 03:26 PM   #113 
  - Rewarding fraud and theft never works....  LeftHandPath   Nov-03-10 04:36 PM   #117 
  - No National Recovery Act  upi402   Nov-03-10 04:42 PM   #118 
  - I am broken today. Torn to bits. Driven to tears.  PeaceNikki   Nov-03-10 04:44 PM   #119 
  - I feel the same way ~ something is very wrong with this country  sabrina 1   Nov-03-10 09:22 PM   #138 
  - I'm very happy that MD stayed pretty well blue.  BlueMTexpat   Nov-03-10 05:48 PM   #122 
  - Well For Those Of Us Who Live In Florida, THIS Election Seems To Have  ChiciB1   Nov-04-10 09:45 AM   #168 
     - Please know that my heart goes out to you!  BlueMTexpat   Nov-04-10 04:50 PM   #186 
  - Be mindful when sticking a boot in their ass ...  GeorgeGist   Nov-03-10 06:02 PM   #123 
  - Be mindful when sticking a boot in their ass ...  GeorgeGist   Nov-03-10 06:02 PM   #124 
  - Two years with nothing to show for it will sound pretty good after we've tried two years  eomer   Nov-03-10 06:20 PM   #125 
  - omg!  docvet   Nov-03-10 07:03 PM   #126 
  - Here is my prediction for 2012...  KeyserSoze87   Nov-03-10 08:53 PM   #127 
  - How bizarre.....  Dystopian   Nov-03-10 08:55 PM   #128 
  - Great post  Haole Girl   Nov-03-10 09:02 PM   #130 
  - Nice post. Hope everyone stays positive and works together for a better future. Democrats have a  Cognitive_Resonance   Nov-03-10 09:08 PM   #132 
  - Thank you for your candor, Skinner  Samantha   Nov-03-10 09:21 PM   #137 
  - Try living in Ohio....  femrap   Nov-03-10 09:39 PM   #141 
  - Well. We Need Tourists Down Here In Florida... Like To Come Down  ChiciB1   Nov-04-10 09:52 AM   #170 
  - "In hindsight, I think we might not have done so badly  donheld   Nov-03-10 10:18 PM   #143 
  - I just saw a thread regarding election rigging.  HuckleB   Nov-03-10 10:41 PM   #146 
  - imagine having to sit through Florida's returns at a county election party... many got drunk.  Divine Discontent   Nov-03-10 10:57 PM   #147 
  - "At least we have John Boehner and the Republicans to kick around for a while."  mzmolly   Nov-03-10 11:27 PM   #148 
  - No we do not have Boehner to kick around on here. Wish you would  akbacchus_BC   Nov-03-10 11:30 PM   #149 
  - Agree  mogster   Nov-04-10 12:51 AM   #150 
  - It's not republicans that we're kicking around now  lillypaddle   Nov-04-10 04:33 AM   #151 
  - K&R! Thank you for weighing in on all this...  Rhiannon12866   Nov-04-10 04:41 AM   #152 
  - Well, the GOP play hardball, so he better do a 180 fast or he will look extremely weak. He needs to  deacon   Nov-04-10 05:29 AM   #153 
  - I have to add that the only way to fight against the money bags is to move left.  deacon   Nov-04-10 05:31 AM   #154 
  - I disagree on a couple of points...  shaayecanaan   Nov-04-10 05:42 AM   #155 
  - From this old okies eyes this is what I see  madokie   Nov-04-10 05:54 AM   #156 
  - +1 - If anything good comes of this, it will be giving the dems a rallying point  Politicub   Nov-04-10 05:58 AM   #157 
  - I agree.. Can't wait for the pity party to cease.  rainlillie   Nov-04-10 06:56 AM   #160 
  - the problem is that Obama and the Dems took for granted  SemperEadem   Nov-04-10 07:09 AM   #161 
  - You think the election wasn't much *fun*?  peace frog   Nov-04-10 07:16 AM   #162 
  - Yeah, right. The Republicans are going to start working with the President.  Bette Noir   Nov-04-10 07:55 AM   #163 
  - media already pushing this  lunasun   Nov-04-10 09:02 AM   #165 
  - Skinner, this is a first for me:  DFW   Nov-04-10 09:30 AM   #166 
  - Notably absent from your post  67 Mercury   Nov-04-10 09:38 AM   #167 
  - Agree on All Points, Skinner  On the Road   Nov-04-10 09:50 AM   #169 
  - I think the Dems lost because their messaging sucks. Why weren't they pointing out that the Repugs  jillan   Nov-04-10 09:57 AM   #171 
  - Harry Reid's messaging didn't suck.  subterranean   Nov-04-10 10:46 AM   #176 
  - The problem re the bailouts can be summed up with a quote from the  RaleighNCDUer   Nov-04-10 10:16 AM   #172 
  - Even if the bank bailouts were necessary, they never whould have been done without pre-conditions,  grahamhgreen   Nov-04-10 10:21 AM   #173 
  - "It does not help that Wall Street - - the people who got us into  OhioBlue   Nov-04-10 10:31 AM   #175 
  - We're going to be fine. And we will come back. Thank you for everything, Skinner.  Aristus   Nov-04-10 10:57 AM   #179 
  - 2 out of 3 isn't bad.... Bud gridlock here we come. The president better tap into  glowing   Nov-04-10 11:16 AM   #180 
  - Obama knew and still knows what he's got to do.  YOY   Nov-04-10 11:24 AM   #181 
  - Obama should have been more like Bush, lol  IDHow   Nov-04-10 11:26 AM   #182 
  - It wasn't fun, and it also wasn't a surprise. The steady  SaveOurDemocracy   Nov-04-10 11:28 AM   #183 
  - No chance of the economy improving  Hawkowl   Nov-04-10 11:50 AM   #184 
  - Skinner, I think if you took the time to read the posts over in the economics forum, you would  truedelphi   Nov-04-10 01:29 PM   #185 
  - Nice post nt  CommonSensePLZ   Nov-04-10 10:48 PM   #187 
  - Thank you for your erudite message.  political_Dem   Nov-04-10 10:59 PM   #188 
  - People do stupid things in bad times. Look at Germany in the 1930's.  David Zephyr   Nov-04-10 11:03 PM   #189 

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