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BrentWil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 12:46 AM
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79. Nothing currently stops companies from being employee owned. NT
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  - Could the Government or Workers Produce Consumer Goods as Well as the Private Sector? BrentWil  Oct-30-10 06:44 PM   #0 
  - That's a big undertaking  Canuckistanian   Oct-30-10 06:51 PM   #1 
  - No, but they could run Microsoft and produce as good a product  KamaAina   Oct-30-10 06:51 PM   #2 
  - If the same management team and user interface people were in charge, why not?  emulatorloo   Oct-30-10 06:51 PM   #3 
  - Most of the admin of medicare is  pipoman   Oct-31-10 06:59 AM   #86 
  - The internet you put that Apple computer on was developed by government..  Fumesucker   Oct-30-10 06:56 PM   #4 
  - The code platform on which the Apple runs was developed by the University of California.  JackRiddler   Oct-31-10 03:42 PM   #91 
  - Remove the profit motive and you destroy everything  Dreamer Tatum   Oct-30-10 06:57 PM   #5 
  - Which is why so many people die because they're on Medicare n/t  leftstreet   Oct-30-10 06:58 PM   #6 
  - ?  ingac70   Oct-30-10 07:00 PM   #9 
  - .  leftstreet   Oct-30-10 07:01 PM   #10 
  - AND why the quality of health care is SO much better since the system went for profit...  laughingliberal   Oct-30-10 08:59 PM   #55 
  - That's why the life expectancy in the UK is so abysmally low...  Fumesucker   Oct-30-10 07:01 PM   #11 
  - How cute...you think there's no private enterprise in the UK!  Dreamer Tatum   Oct-30-10 07:02 PM   #13 
     - I guess you are not aware that the government runs health care in the UK..  Fumesucker   Oct-30-10 07:08 PM   #18 
        - I thought this OP was about iPods. Not healthcare. nt  Dreamer Tatum   Oct-30-10 07:41 PM   #26 
           - It was about consumer goods..  Fumesucker   Oct-30-10 07:51 PM   #28 
              - Is it really the quality that the American Health Care System lacks?  BrentWil   Oct-30-10 08:11 PM   #34 
                 - And the lack of access is exactly a symptom of the private nature of our health care system..  Fumesucker   Oct-30-10 08:24 PM   #40 
                 - While I think you are pulling the two times out of your ass..  BrentWil   Oct-30-10 08:42 PM   #49 
                    - If you aren't aware of the difference in health care costs between the US and other nations..  Fumesucker   Oct-30-10 09:09 PM   #59 
                       - I understand that the total cost of the system is more  BrentWil   Oct-30-10 09:18 PM   #61 
                          - We've had a couple of health care professionals on this thread already..  Fumesucker   Oct-30-10 09:25 PM   #62 
                             - Again, not my argument...  BrentWil   Oct-30-10 11:19 PM   #69 
                                - No, iatrogenic means caused by the physician or medical system..  Fumesucker   Oct-31-10 06:41 AM   #84 
                 - It's both. Access and Quality suck, now.  laughingliberal   Oct-30-10 09:03 PM   #56 
                    - ummm...  BrentWil   Oct-30-10 11:19 PM   #70 
                       - ummm  laughingliberal   Oct-31-10 08:12 AM   #88 
  - Sure, just ask Jonas Salk  Scruffy1   Oct-30-10 08:09 PM   #31 
     - There are certainly other motivation for people..  BrentWil   Oct-30-10 08:12 PM   #36 
     - I don't think Steve Wozniak was primarily motivated by money when he developed the Apple line..  Fumesucker   Oct-30-10 08:36 PM   #44 
  - NASA could do it n/t  arcane1   Oct-30-10 06:58 PM   #7 
  - After they fix the Space Station.  Sonoman   Oct-30-10 07:04 PM   #15 
     - The space station is working just fine.  EmilyKent   Oct-30-10 07:20 PM   #21 
  - How about they just use Linux and save us money?  Confusious   Oct-30-10 06:59 PM   #8 
  - ++++1000.  FormerDittoHead   Oct-30-10 07:14 PM   #20 
  - I haven't paid for software since 1998...  ScarletFyre   Oct-30-10 07:44 PM   #27 
  - Damn straight. Screw the capitalists. We don't need them.  Scruffy1   Oct-30-10 08:10 PM   #33 
  - The "socialist" question isn't whether a government could run it. It's whether the workers can.  readmoreoften   Oct-30-10 07:02 PM   #12 
  - Changed the question to reflect this...  BrentWil   Oct-30-10 07:07 PM   #17 
  - +100.  Hannah Bell   Oct-30-10 11:20 PM   #71 
     - Nothing currently stops companies from being employee owned. NT  BrentWil   Oct-31-10 12:46 AM   #79 
        - um, yes, something does. the fact that they're owned by capital.  Hannah Bell   Oct-31-10 02:27 AM   #83 
           - You can create capital... you can start your own business  BrentWil   Oct-31-10 07:58 AM   #87 
              - yes, i'll be gearing up my new electric car company soon.  Hannah Bell   Oct-31-10 07:42 PM   #94 
  - Not all of us think that Apple makes particularly great products. I've owned  qnr   Oct-30-10 07:03 PM   #14 
  - Could Apple run the government and produce as good a product?  Curmudgeoness   Oct-30-10 07:05 PM   #16 
  - I think the management (gov owned) would have to be different  LiberalArkie   Oct-30-10 07:10 PM   #19 
  - The Government can sponsor some pretty impressive technology  denbot   Oct-30-10 07:25 PM   #22 
  - It's not either-or. Most hi-tech is the result of gov't-funded research that was developed into  leveymg   Oct-30-10 07:26 PM   #23 
  - +1000 nt  laughingliberal   Oct-30-10 09:46 PM   #65 
  - "WAGECRUSH" - quality contest not matter because Private Sector goal is  billlll   Oct-30-10 07:30 PM   #24 
  - Well the stats don't really back that up  BrentWil   Oct-30-10 07:38 PM   #25 
     - Somalia would be a counterexample..  Fumesucker   Oct-30-10 07:54 PM   #29 
        - The rule of law is very important for any free market to work  BrentWil   Oct-30-10 08:09 PM   #32 
           - Oh you did NOT just go there  leftstreet   Oct-30-10 08:12 PM   #35 
           - They have the same culture...  BrentWil   Oct-30-10 08:14 PM   #37 
              - what does that mean?  leftstreet   Oct-30-10 08:17 PM   #38 
                 - It means that when...  BrentWil   Oct-30-10 08:27 PM   #41 
                    - But we have one culture here. American culture  leftstreet   Oct-30-10 08:29 PM   #42 
                       - You can define it as one...  BrentWil   Oct-30-10 08:37 PM   #46 
                          - Are Hispanic or First Nations people excluded from Medicare?  leftstreet   Oct-30-10 08:43 PM   #50 
                             - Did some one say they were excluded or it failed?  BrentWil   Oct-30-10 08:51 PM   #52 
                                - I didn't realize Medicare and Social Security had failed  leftstreet   Oct-30-10 08:55 PM   #53 
                                   - No one said they failed NT  BrentWil   Oct-30-10 09:05 PM   #57 
           - So, how's that contract law working here in the land of the free?  Fumesucker   Oct-30-10 08:33 PM   #43 
              - Well I am confident that any dispute will be worked out in a court  BrentWil   Oct-30-10 08:39 PM   #47 
                 - Err.. The banks are foreclosing on properties that were bought for *cash*, no mortgage at all..  Fumesucker   Oct-30-10 08:58 PM   #54 
  - would we even have Apple Computers in the system you propose?  Motown_Johnny   Oct-30-10 07:55 PM   #30 
  - Competing worker owned companies would actually improve quality of goods and services  TheKentuckian   Oct-30-10 08:20 PM   #39 
  - +1  moondust   Oct-30-10 08:37 PM   #45 
  - Nothing stops that from happening now  BrentWil   Oct-30-10 08:44 PM   #51 
  - Yes it does. non-existent anti-trust laws  Doctor_J   Oct-30-10 09:46 PM   #66 
  - Monopolism?  BrentWil   Oct-30-10 11:17 PM   #68 
  - The dynamic is stiffled by capital.  TheKentuckian   Oct-31-10 12:44 PM   #90 
  - +2 nt  laughingliberal   Oct-30-10 09:06 PM   #58 
  - Is gasoline a consumer good?  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Oct-30-10 08:41 PM   #48 
  - I have no problem with a private sector. There's lots of things that they do well.  Crunchy Frog   Oct-30-10 09:09 PM   #60 
  - Well,considering the quality of some imported common goods...  krispos42   Oct-30-10 09:42 PM   #63 
  - The point about the government producing simpler goods is a good one  BrentWil   Oct-31-10 12:20 AM   #73 
  - No, but they can fill out forms a 1 10th of the cost  Doctor_J   Oct-30-10 09:44 PM   #64 
  - The profit motive creates mal-ware, viruses, shovelware, adware, proprietary whaterver  killbotfactory   Oct-30-10 09:50 PM   #67 
  - viruses are a product of people wanting to fuck with other people  BrentWil   Oct-31-10 12:23 AM   #75 
  - Yes they could  jmowreader   Oct-30-10 11:45 PM   #72 
  - Well, that isn't really a good example...  BrentWil   Oct-31-10 12:21 AM   #74 
     - Then how about Skilcraft?  jmowreader   Oct-31-10 12:35 AM   #77 
        - Well, on simple goods...  BrentWil   Oct-31-10 12:40 AM   #78 
           - Perhaps there would be  jmowreader   Oct-31-10 04:49 PM   #93 
  - Of course not...  JoseGaspar   Oct-31-10 12:31 AM   #76 
  - You framed the question wrong, its not that simple...  Cleobulus   Oct-31-10 12:50 AM   #80 
  - Workers already DO produce consumer goods. "The Private Sector" doesn't produce  mudplanet   Oct-31-10 12:57 AM   #81 
  - Yes (for workers). Google "co-op" + whatever industry you like.  wickerwoman   Oct-31-10 01:05 AM   #82 
  - Competition is what drives change and improvement  pipoman   Oct-31-10 06:52 AM   #85 
  - I would agree..  BrentWil   Oct-31-10 08:49 AM   #89 
  - They already do.  quaker bill   Oct-31-10 03:51 PM   #92 
  - Business should be owned by the WORKERS THESELVES, not the government.  Odin2005   Oct-31-10 07:51 PM   #95 
 

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