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184. Nobody on DU ever addresses the fact that Meek DID NOT CAMPAIGN AT ALL
in Northeast Florida and for all I know, didn't campaign in other parts of the state.

I had to ask DU who the Democratic candidate for Florida's Senate seat was because I couldn't find it even when I googled for it. During the height of the primary, the only literature I saw in this part of the state was negative ads from his opponet.

To date, the only indication of Meek's candidacy in this area was ONE sign placed where a Bernie DeCastro sign had been and DeCastro's sign had been pulled out and left on the ground.

Meek might have had a chance to win had he campaigned or found some way to get his name out there. He didn't. Why not? Why the heck not? How can you blame the Democratic voters of abandoning some one they couldn't find hide nor hair of in the first place?

Why didn't he campaign? Even on a shoe string budget he could have done a hell of a lot more than he did.

Answer that one satisfactorily for chastising voters for "abandoning" him.
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  -DUers no longer have the right to demand party loyalty. Zhade  Oct-28-10 11:32 PM   #0 
  - it's crist or rubio for your home state.  veganlush   Oct-28-10 11:35 PM   #1 
  - My stance should be clear -- if Dems who demanded loyalty were, Meek would be up over Crist.  Zhade   Oct-28-10 11:38 PM   #3 
  - Democrats here, demand that progressives not enable  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 12:33 AM   #19 
  - With FL Dems -- and the party -- abandoning Meek to support Crist, didn't that make Meek 'un-viable'...  Zhade   Oct-29-10 01:04 AM   #31 
  - So they're not party loyalists?  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 11:50 AM   #96 
     - LOL. No. You missed the point entirely. It's the hypocrisy I'm focusing on.  Zhade   Oct-30-10 03:23 PM   #190 
        - Me too.  mzmolly   Oct-30-10 03:58 PM   #193 
  - Well with that simplistic view, let me know which of the three is more *progressive*  Catherina   Oct-29-10 03:31 AM   #53 
  - Obviously my post pertains to those running against  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 11:49 AM   #95 
  - this whole solidarity thing is very confusing  Warren Stupidity   Oct-29-10 06:27 PM   #149 
     - What's confusing about a Democrat voting for Democrats and/or against  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 07:08 PM   #155 
  - nt  Mojorabbit   Oct-29-10 03:00 AM   #51 
  - And the reason for that was the abandonment of the Democrat.  sabrina 1   Oct-29-10 01:02 AM   #29 
  - Thanks for getting that point. Abandoning Meek set up his inability to win.  Zhade   Oct-29-10 01:07 AM   #32 
     - +1! I smell DLC bullshit all around this bullying of Meek.  Odin2005   Oct-29-10 08:35 AM   #60 
  - Yes, this silly framing is tiresome n/t  stevenleser   Oct-29-10 01:10 PM   #123 
  - K&R because I'm in Arizona where the Democratic party couldn't even find  Tansy_Gold   Oct-28-10 11:37 PM   #2 
  - Hell, if there's no Dem to run, that's one thing.  Zhade   Oct-28-10 11:39 PM   #4 
  - That's an awfully broad brush you're using there  SeattleGirl   Oct-28-10 11:39 PM   #5 
  - Okay, that's a good point. I should have said "Loyalty-oath DUers"  Zhade   Oct-29-10 01:30 AM   #44 
  - Those supposedly supporting Crist here, are not party loyalists.  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 11:52 AM   #99 
  - It is DU wide because the campaiging against Meek was  Bluenorthwest   Oct-29-10 08:44 AM   #66 
  - Walter  jobycom   Oct-28-10 11:49 PM   #6 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-28-10 11:49 PM   #7 
  - Republicans who gloat that Nader gave them FL are misinformed given that 200,000 Dems voted for b*s*  Zhade   Oct-29-10 01:02 AM   #28 
  - Meek's presence in the race is helping that teabagging repuke...  cynatnite   Oct-28-10 11:54 PM   #8 
  - Listen to yourself  MadHound   Oct-29-10 09:28 AM   #75 
  - I'm a pragmatist...  cynatnite   Oct-29-10 11:17 AM   #91 
     - Meek would have a chance to win if the Democrats were to have gotten behind him  Chisox08   Oct-29-10 02:13 PM   #133 
        - Nobody on DU ever addresses the fact that Meek DID NOT CAMPAIGN AT ALL  1monster   Oct-29-10 11:48 PM   #184 
  - Yeah, what is up with that uppity democrat??  Dappleganger   Oct-29-10 10:02 PM   #170 
  - And him dropping out would hurt the other Dems on the ballot  ProudToBeBlueInRhody   Oct-29-10 10:08 PM   #174 
  - Speaking of green, lot of love for Alvin Greene here.  hughee99   Oct-28-10 11:56 PM   #9 
  - To be honest, that one went over my head.  Zhade   Oct-29-10 01:03 AM   #30 
  - What about Obama advocating a vote for an independent instead of a Dem?  villager   Oct-28-10 11:59 PM   #10 
  - Does he post  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 12:42 AM   #24 
  - I guess you'd be the first to alert on him if he did!  villager   Oct-29-10 12:08 PM   #109 
     - If he were continually abusing the user rules,  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 12:32 PM   #113 
        - Like... advocating votes for non-Democrats? (As he does, in "real life!?")  villager   Oct-29-10 01:51 PM   #129 
           - You mean like many 'progressives' here do, while complaining  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 03:17 PM   #138 
              - Well, if it's good enough for the President, why can't fellow Democrats...  villager   Oct-29-10 04:37 PM   #145 
                 - They do, according to  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 06:07 PM   #147 
  - Which indy did he "advocate" for? (n/m)  ProudToBeBlueInRhody   Oct-29-10 10:09 PM   #175 
  - Party Loyalty Is Pretty Over-Rated Anyway...  WillyT   Oct-29-10 12:01 AM   #11 
  - Home state. I don't live in FL anymore, but my parents live in Pensacola.  Zhade   Oct-29-10 01:09 AM   #34 
  - I LIKE that we don't copy the Republicans' weird behavior, kind of dangerous  CommonSensePLZ   Oct-29-10 07:31 PM   #161 
  - There's not enough DUers to make a differance in that race.  Kaleva   Oct-29-10 12:02 AM   #12 
  - Sure, I get that. I'm more concerned with the double standard.  Zhade   Oct-29-10 01:10 AM   #35 
  - Then you have a double standard. You don't mind so called, disloyalty  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 11:59 AM   #103 
     - Link to where I ever advocated for her and you'd have a point.  Zhade   Oct-30-10 03:35 PM   #192 
  - Viable Greens by the district? Not a problem.  Bluenorthwest   Oct-29-10 08:48 AM   #69 
  - At least my Rec made you plus 1 for a little bit.  ScreamingMeemie   Oct-29-10 12:04 AM   #13 
  - I don't live in Florida, so I can't say who I would have voted for.  Arkana   Oct-29-10 12:14 AM   #14 
  - Isn't keeping Rubio out of Washington a kind of party loyalty? It's doing what's best  gateley   Oct-29-10 12:21 AM   #15 
  - In addition to your point, I must be missing all the "Go Crist"  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 12:40 AM   #23 
     - There's one in GD right now calling for Meek to drop out...  Zhade   Oct-29-10 01:14 AM   #36 
  - Who demanded Meek drop out?  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 12:28 AM   #16 
  - I'm not falling for a call-out trap. Sorry, not biting.  Zhade   Oct-29-10 01:21 AM   #40 
     - Just post a link.  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 11:51 AM   #97 
  - An excerpt from a US News article published in late August.  Kaleva   Oct-29-10 12:29 AM   #17 
  - Now That IS One Prediction That Is SPOT ON! I Live Here, I Know What  ChiciB1   Oct-29-10 12:04 PM   #107 
     - I've been saying all along that Meek did not campaign but it has been  1monster   Oct-30-10 12:00 AM   #185 
  - Question 2. What viable progressive, have Democrats  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 12:30 AM   #18 
  - Well I guess that all depends on what you mean by "viable"...  readmoreoften   Oct-29-10 12:37 AM   #21 
  - Viable means, any candidate  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 12:39 AM   #22 
     - That's one hell of a subjective standard you're proposing.  Zhade   Oct-29-10 01:23 AM   #41 
        - The meme was that Obama wasn't electable,  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 11:48 AM   #94 
        - That wasn't the meme. Meek did not campaign. I wanted to vote for the Dem in this  1monster   Oct-30-10 12:07 AM   #186 
  - in '06 a lot fell for Lieberman's scare tactics and abandoned Ned Lamont...  Blue_Tires   Oct-30-10 05:40 PM   #199 
  - I find it quite interesting that the same folks who have  myrna minx   Oct-29-10 12:37 AM   #20 
  - THANK you.  Zhade   Oct-29-10 01:16 AM   #37 
  - exactly. Crist is a right wing Republican, "Independent" in name only.  inna   Oct-29-10 02:01 AM   #48 
  - Boy, that's a stretch.  Skidmore   Oct-29-10 08:39 AM   #62 
  - +1  Poboy   Oct-29-10 10:24 AM   #86 
  - Myrna, how many people here advocate against Democrats/the President and  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 11:53 AM   #100 
  - hypocrisy has a way of hoisting folks on their own petards.  nashville_brook   Oct-29-10 11:04 PM   #179 
  - No none has ever had that right, and I laugh in the face of anyone who claims it.  Joe Fields   Oct-29-10 12:42 AM   #25 
  - Fair enough!  Zhade   Oct-29-10 01:17 AM   #38 
  - Q. 3 ~ Does this also mean that some here no longer have the right to suggest DU-ers care more about  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 12:50 AM   #26 
  - Molly, are you really going to claim that the pro Crist  myrna minx   Oct-29-10 01:30 AM   #43 
     - I live here  Mojorabbit   Oct-29-10 03:18 AM   #52 
     - He was not viable as soon as he was abandoned by the party.  myrna minx   Oct-29-10 08:17 AM   #56 
        - That is not so  Mojorabbit   Oct-29-10 01:40 PM   #126 
     - a side note, meeks isn't viable because of what DU Admins say, he's not viable because his campaign  dionysus   Oct-29-10 11:02 AM   #88 
     - I'm asking where  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 11:46 AM   #93 
  - "Meek: Clinton didn't convince me to drop Sen. bid"  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 12:55 AM   #27 
  - I have never argued against voting for viable Greens.  Unvanguard   Oct-29-10 01:08 AM   #33 
  - That's fine. You didn't create the DU rule that explicitly said 'no third-party candidates'.  Zhade   Oct-29-10 01:18 AM   #39 
     - I don't know how the admins would react to a viable Green Party candidate.  Unvanguard   Oct-29-10 09:31 AM   #77 
     - There have also been posts (not op's) supporting Chafee in RI. nt  kelly1mm   Oct-29-10 06:26 PM   #148 
  - It may be a case of loyalty to the Party as a whole then to any one candidate  Kaleva   Oct-29-10 01:24 AM   #42 
  - There's no rule against advocating whoever you want during the primaries.  Zhade   Oct-29-10 01:33 AM   #45 
     - I do see where you are coming from  Kaleva   Oct-29-10 01:56 AM   #47 
        - Meek's the Dem. Crist isn't. Seems pretty clear-cut to me.  Zhade   Oct-29-10 02:09 AM   #49 
        - They should edit that to read "not... work for the defeat of the DLC or "independent" R candidate"  AlabamaLibrul   Oct-29-10 03:50 AM   #54 
  - damn right. k&r  inna   Oct-29-10 01:54 AM   #46 
  - 'By showing your own disloyalty, you've made your argument a joke.'  Bluebear   Oct-29-10 02:32 AM   #50 
  - It's as hypocritical as defending the wars since 2009.  rug   Oct-29-10 05:55 AM   #55 
  - Why are you insisting that the Republicans must always win and we must always go down in defeat?  NJmaverick   Oct-29-10 08:24 AM   #57 
  - Crist is a Republican.  Odin2005   Oct-29-10 08:39 AM   #63 
  - Who is running as an independent and would cacaos with the Dems  NJmaverick   Oct-29-10 08:40 AM   #64 
     - Do you honestly think that a Republican will caucus with the Dems  MadHound   Oct-29-10 09:31 AM   #76 
        - Are you talking about Senator Arlen Specter  NJmaverick   Oct-29-10 12:13 PM   #110 
  - Chain Gang Charlie Crist is a right wing Republican. I think his fan club is calling for a Democrat  TheKentuckian   Oct-29-10 08:44 AM   #67 
     - Your plan ensures the REPUBLICANS a VICTORY  NJmaverick   Oct-29-10 08:47 AM   #68 
        - Your's certainly insures just such an event. Chaingang Charlie is a rightwing Republican.  TheKentuckian   Oct-29-10 10:06 AM   #81 
           - There is no way for the Dem to win  NJmaverick   Oct-29-10 12:14 PM   #111 
              - Your point was that My strategy would allow a REPUBLICAN to win.  TheKentuckian   Oct-29-10 12:25 PM   #112 
                 - The point is you want the Republicans to win and have a non-independent  NJmaverick   Oct-29-10 12:57 PM   #117 
                    - No, it is you who are carrying water for a Republican. Charlie Crist ain't new to me.  TheKentuckian   Oct-29-10 02:54 PM   #137 
  - Yup. the hypocrisy is disgusting.  Odin2005   Oct-29-10 08:29 AM   #58 
  - how about you guys build a state party that doesn't suck and keeps sending rethugs to washington?  dionysus   Oct-29-10 08:34 AM   #59 
  - You've been played....  Skidmore   Oct-29-10 08:38 AM   #61 
  - "Weasel" is his middle name! DAMN, I would love it if Meek  jonnyblitz   Oct-29-10 08:43 AM   #65 
  - My feelings exactly.  Bluenorthwest   Oct-29-10 08:53 AM   #70 
  - Damn -- I wish I could rec this more than once.  AngryOldDem   Oct-29-10 08:56 AM   #71 
  - I think I understand the confusion.  Skinner   Oct-29-10 08:56 AM   #72 
  - Is Crist a progressive?  boston bean   Oct-29-10 09:24 AM   #74 
  - For the purposes of my argument, "progressive" is a matter of degree.  Skinner   Oct-29-10 09:38 AM   #79 
  - So if there is a three way race for the presidency in 2012  boston bean   Oct-29-10 01:32 PM   #125 
     - Let's wait two years and see where we stand in October 2012.  Skinner   Oct-29-10 01:54 PM   #130 
        - I understand it's a long shot and not likely, Skinner, but the scenario is the same.  boston bean   Oct-29-10 01:58 PM   #131 
        - Yes, I understand that the scenario -- if it were to happen -- would be the same.  Skinner   Oct-29-10 02:10 PM   #132 
           - I continue to understand your essential premise, but I still see it as a *very* slippery slope  Stinky The Clown   Oct-29-10 05:16 PM   #146 
              - "so talking about it is just masturbation"  boston bean   Oct-29-10 06:43 PM   #153 
              - FWIW, most of the stuff we talk about here is just masturbation.  Skinner   Oct-29-10 07:16 PM   #158 
              - The difference between Florida and Alaska...  Skinner   Oct-29-10 07:14 PM   #157 
              - when crist got governor, I thought he would lean left (and come out) - he has NOT  2Design   Oct-29-10 10:39 PM   #177 
              - I ALMOST voted for Crist for Governor four years ago.  Dr.Phool   Oct-29-10 11:45 PM   #183 
        - "Progressive" isn't just a content-free term that's applied on sliding scale.  stranger81   Oct-29-10 04:25 PM   #144 
           - No, your analogy doesn't work, because it assumes progressivism is not matter of degree  BzaDem   Oct-29-10 11:22 PM   #181 
  - I Live Here & As One Who Actually Campaigned Against Crist For Governor,  ChiciB1   Oct-29-10 12:41 PM   #115 
  - +1000  alcibiades_mystery   Oct-29-10 10:12 AM   #83 
  - Beautifully  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 12:02 PM   #106 
  - well  BeFree   Oct-30-10 01:11 AM   #188 
  - No, Skinner, I am not confused. You are allowing a hypocritical double standard.  Zhade   Oct-30-10 04:01 PM   #194 
     - uh, yeah  BeFree   Oct-30-10 04:48 PM   #198 
  - Pffft...half the people here lost that right when they started rah-rahing drone attacks  tjwash   Oct-29-10 09:02 AM   #73 
  - Well said. Thank you.  sally cat   Oct-29-10 07:22 PM   #159 
  - There is one thing I like about this Meek-Crist-Rubio dust up  MadHound   Oct-29-10 09:33 AM   #78 
  - Let's see how often they trot out the Nader bogeyman after this display of "party loyalty".  Tierra_y_Libertad   Oct-29-10 10:13 AM   #84 
  - Jebby Will Wipe Palin's Ass & Do It Without Batting An Eyelash!  ChiciB1   Oct-29-10 01:05 PM   #120 
  - Wow, great post. My first post here was about how shocked I am at the treatment of Meek here.  sally cat   Oct-29-10 07:26 PM   #160 
  - A lot of DUers are as loyal to the Democratic Party as Democratic leaders are loyal to their base.  progressoid   Oct-29-10 10:05 AM   #80 
  - As usual  alcibiades_mystery   Oct-29-10 10:08 AM   #82 
  - +1000000  dionysus   Oct-29-10 11:00 AM   #87 
  - +10000 nt  Mojorabbit   Oct-29-10 01:49 PM   #128 
  - Seems you missed the point. Figures.  Zhade   Oct-30-10 04:08 PM   #196 
  - Skinner's post on this very subject...  SidDithers   Oct-29-10 10:19 AM   #85 
  - The same people who insist that we "hold our nose" and vote for conservative Dems  Lorien   Oct-29-10 11:08 AM   #89 
  - THANK YOU Lorien... And YOU Are Not Alone. And As One Who Lives  ChiciB1   Oct-29-10 12:51 PM   #116 
  - But you're not being PRAGMATIC.  Hell Hath No Fury   Oct-29-10 11:08 AM   #90 
  - Sorry, but this is a load of crap...  TreasonousBastard   Oct-29-10 11:45 AM   #92 
  - That's a piss poor argument . n/t  Fire1   Oct-29-10 11:59 AM   #104 
  - That's a piss poor argument. n/t  Fire1   Oct-29-10 12:01 PM   #105 
  - "the nonsense of principles"  donco6   Oct-29-10 12:40 PM   #114 
  - There's also Obama's reluctance to endorse the Rhode Island Democrat  Valienteman   Oct-29-10 11:51 AM   #98 
  - In agreement with you.  Dappleganger   Oct-29-10 11:57 AM   #101 
  - I Consider Myself A Liberal, Always Have... More Liberal Than Many Here  ChiciB1   Oct-29-10 01:00 PM   #118 
     - On Edit... I Won't Say I'm Completely Correct About How Crist Will Do...  ChiciB1   Oct-29-10 01:01 PM   #119 
  - Well said, Zhade! I've been sayin this for the last month. n/t  Fire1   Oct-29-10 11:57 AM   #102 
  - I've always thought...  Iggo   Oct-29-10 12:05 PM   #108 
  - +10000  Dappleganger   Oct-29-10 01:07 PM   #121 
  - Well, unlike the (EEK!) Greens, Crist can't be called "too liberal". K&R  Tierra_y_Libertad   Oct-29-10 01:08 PM   #122 
  - Viable Green vs. Weak Dem vs. Tea Party  Catbird   Oct-29-10 01:32 PM   #124 
  - Yep  BeFree   Oct-29-10 01:45 PM   #127 
  - I also don't envy the choice that Florida folks have to make.  political_Dem   Oct-29-10 02:17 PM   #134 
  - Zhade, you & I often disagree, but I believe I'm going to have to come down on your side on this one  apocalypsehow   Oct-29-10 02:36 PM   #135 
  - I can... I voted early and voted for Meek  RagAss   Oct-29-10 02:38 PM   #136 
  - OK go start your own board  intaglio   Oct-29-10 03:36 PM   #139 
  - You are assuming that Crist would vote significantly differently than Rubio..  Fumesucker   Oct-29-10 03:40 PM   #140 
  - Hang on sunshine. Florida is my state too and Meek is in effect putting a monster in office. nt  pgodbold   Oct-29-10 03:44 PM   #141 
  - That's too bad. n/t  Fire1   Oct-29-10 03:48 PM   #142 
  - Yeah, damn that uppity democrat!  Dappleganger   Oct-29-10 10:05 PM   #172 
     - He wasn't "uppity" at all! Would that he had been! He did NO campaigning at all.  1monster   Oct-30-10 12:52 AM   #187 
  - 250,000 Florida Democrats voted for George W. Bush in 2000 and Ralph Nader was blamed for that!!  Better Believe It   Oct-29-10 04:09 PM   #143 
  - Even Bill Clinton tried to get Meeks to drop out and apparantly  MadMaddie   Oct-29-10 06:30 PM   #150 
  - Crist is not a Blue Dog! He's not a Democrat of any kind.  Bluenorthwest   Oct-29-10 06:41 PM   #152 
     - My point is if he were to caucus with the Dems he would not  MadMaddie   Oct-29-10 07:07 PM   #154 
  - Recommended.  H2O Man   Oct-29-10 06:36 PM   #151 
  - I love it when those who don't live in a particular state start issuing orders, decrees & ultimatums  WolverineDG   Oct-29-10 07:10 PM   #156 
  - Thank you for a brilliant, well thought out post. This situation is shameful. Mr. Meek deserves our  sally cat   Oct-29-10 07:31 PM   #162 
  - The days of party loyalty are numbered  crikkett   Oct-29-10 08:55 PM   #163 
  - The election in Florida is much like the election in Alaska.  Blue_In_AK   Oct-29-10 09:38 PM   #164 
  - "But I don't ever, EVER want to hear another demand..."  LoZoccolo   Oct-29-10 09:52 PM   #165 
  - And what are you going to do, "tough guy", spank us? Insult us to death?  TheWatcher   Oct-29-10 09:56 PM   #166 
  - Alert splinterist posts so they get deleted.  LoZoccolo   Oct-29-10 09:58 PM   #167 
     - Ah, good, I can go back to sleep now.  TheWatcher   Oct-29-10 10:00 PM   #169 
        - I'm not the one telling people they better not say this or that...  LoZoccolo   Oct-29-10 10:03 PM   #171 
           - Looks like all their posts are still here.  TheWatcher   Oct-29-10 10:05 PM   #173 
              - I don't usually alert on every personal attack against me. n/t  LoZoccolo   Oct-29-10 10:18 PM   #176 
  - I'll point right back to this whole debacle.  Zhade   Oct-30-10 04:15 PM   #197 
  - Uh, excuse me?  derby378   Oct-29-10 09:59 PM   #168 
  - big k and r. the system needs to be reformed to allow for runoffs to end spoilers.  nashville_brook   Oct-29-10 10:56 PM   #178 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-29-10 11:14 PM   #180 
  - Though actually, of course, they absolutely have that right, because this is a private message board  BzaDem   Oct-29-10 11:26 PM   #182 
  - *cough*  Zhade   Oct-30-10 03:21 PM   #189 
  - What R U talking about, we've always been the party of the lesser-evil!  JJ   Oct-30-10 03:29 PM   #191 
  - Wish I Wasn't Too Late To Rec, But I Can Give This A Kick :)  Dinger   Oct-30-10 04:05 PM   #195 
  - uh, yes we do  mkultra   Oct-30-10 05:51 PM   #200 

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