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73. Pffft...half the people here lost that right when they started rah-rahing drone attacks
Thus proving that hey were not really against the bush/cheney wars, so much as they were against repugs having control of the slaughter machine instead of dems.
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  -DUers no longer have the right to demand party loyalty. Zhade  Oct-28-10 11:32 PM   #0 
  - it's crist or rubio for your home state.  veganlush   Oct-28-10 11:35 PM   #1 
  - My stance should be clear -- if Dems who demanded loyalty were, Meek would be up over Crist.  Zhade   Oct-28-10 11:38 PM   #3 
  - Democrats here, demand that progressives not enable  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 12:33 AM   #19 
  - With FL Dems -- and the party -- abandoning Meek to support Crist, didn't that make Meek 'un-viable'...  Zhade   Oct-29-10 01:04 AM   #31 
  - So they're not party loyalists?  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 11:50 AM   #96 
     - LOL. No. You missed the point entirely. It's the hypocrisy I'm focusing on.  Zhade   Oct-30-10 03:23 PM   #190 
        - Me too.  mzmolly   Oct-30-10 03:58 PM   #193 
  - Well with that simplistic view, let me know which of the three is more *progressive*  Catherina   Oct-29-10 03:31 AM   #53 
  - Obviously my post pertains to those running against  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 11:49 AM   #95 
  - this whole solidarity thing is very confusing  Warren Stupidity   Oct-29-10 06:27 PM   #149 
     - What's confusing about a Democrat voting for Democrats and/or against  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 07:08 PM   #155 
  - nt  Mojorabbit   Oct-29-10 03:00 AM   #51 
  - And the reason for that was the abandonment of the Democrat.  sabrina 1   Oct-29-10 01:02 AM   #29 
  - Thanks for getting that point. Abandoning Meek set up his inability to win.  Zhade   Oct-29-10 01:07 AM   #32 
     - +1! I smell DLC bullshit all around this bullying of Meek.  Odin2005   Oct-29-10 08:35 AM   #60 
  - Yes, this silly framing is tiresome n/t  stevenleser   Oct-29-10 01:10 PM   #123 
  - K&R because I'm in Arizona where the Democratic party couldn't even find  Tansy_Gold   Oct-28-10 11:37 PM   #2 
  - Hell, if there's no Dem to run, that's one thing.  Zhade   Oct-28-10 11:39 PM   #4 
  - That's an awfully broad brush you're using there  SeattleGirl   Oct-28-10 11:39 PM   #5 
  - Okay, that's a good point. I should have said "Loyalty-oath DUers"  Zhade   Oct-29-10 01:30 AM   #44 
  - Those supposedly supporting Crist here, are not party loyalists.  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 11:52 AM   #99 
  - It is DU wide because the campaiging against Meek was  Bluenorthwest   Oct-29-10 08:44 AM   #66 
  - Walter  jobycom   Oct-28-10 11:49 PM   #6 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-28-10 11:49 PM   #7 
  - Republicans who gloat that Nader gave them FL are misinformed given that 200,000 Dems voted for b*s*  Zhade   Oct-29-10 01:02 AM   #28 
  - Meek's presence in the race is helping that teabagging repuke...  cynatnite   Oct-28-10 11:54 PM   #8 
  - Listen to yourself  MadHound   Oct-29-10 09:28 AM   #75 
  - I'm a pragmatist...  cynatnite   Oct-29-10 11:17 AM   #91 
     - Meek would have a chance to win if the Democrats were to have gotten behind him  Chisox08   Oct-29-10 02:13 PM   #133 
        - Nobody on DU ever addresses the fact that Meek DID NOT CAMPAIGN AT ALL  1monster   Oct-29-10 11:48 PM   #184 
  - Yeah, what is up with that uppity democrat??  Dappleganger   Oct-29-10 10:02 PM   #170 
  - And him dropping out would hurt the other Dems on the ballot  ProudToBeBlueInRhody   Oct-29-10 10:08 PM   #174 
  - Speaking of green, lot of love for Alvin Greene here.  hughee99   Oct-28-10 11:56 PM   #9 
  - To be honest, that one went over my head.  Zhade   Oct-29-10 01:03 AM   #30 
  - What about Obama advocating a vote for an independent instead of a Dem?  villager   Oct-28-10 11:59 PM   #10 
  - Does he post  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 12:42 AM   #24 
  - I guess you'd be the first to alert on him if he did!  villager   Oct-29-10 12:08 PM   #109 
     - If he were continually abusing the user rules,  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 12:32 PM   #113 
        - Like... advocating votes for non-Democrats? (As he does, in "real life!?")  villager   Oct-29-10 01:51 PM   #129 
           - You mean like many 'progressives' here do, while complaining  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 03:17 PM   #138 
              - Well, if it's good enough for the President, why can't fellow Democrats...  villager   Oct-29-10 04:37 PM   #145 
                 - They do, according to  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 06:07 PM   #147 
  - Which indy did he "advocate" for? (n/m)  ProudToBeBlueInRhody   Oct-29-10 10:09 PM   #175 
  - Party Loyalty Is Pretty Over-Rated Anyway...  WillyT   Oct-29-10 12:01 AM   #11 
  - Home state. I don't live in FL anymore, but my parents live in Pensacola.  Zhade   Oct-29-10 01:09 AM   #34 
  - I LIKE that we don't copy the Republicans' weird behavior, kind of dangerous  CommonSensePLZ   Oct-29-10 07:31 PM   #161 
  - There's not enough DUers to make a differance in that race.  Kaleva   Oct-29-10 12:02 AM   #12 
  - Sure, I get that. I'm more concerned with the double standard.  Zhade   Oct-29-10 01:10 AM   #35 
  - Then you have a double standard. You don't mind so called, disloyalty  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 11:59 AM   #103 
     - Link to where I ever advocated for her and you'd have a point.  Zhade   Oct-30-10 03:35 PM   #192 
  - Viable Greens by the district? Not a problem.  Bluenorthwest   Oct-29-10 08:48 AM   #69 
  - At least my Rec made you plus 1 for a little bit.  ScreamingMeemie   Oct-29-10 12:04 AM   #13 
  - I don't live in Florida, so I can't say who I would have voted for.  Arkana   Oct-29-10 12:14 AM   #14 
  - Isn't keeping Rubio out of Washington a kind of party loyalty? It's doing what's best  gateley   Oct-29-10 12:21 AM   #15 
  - In addition to your point, I must be missing all the "Go Crist"  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 12:40 AM   #23 
     - There's one in GD right now calling for Meek to drop out...  Zhade   Oct-29-10 01:14 AM   #36 
  - Who demanded Meek drop out?  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 12:28 AM   #16 
  - I'm not falling for a call-out trap. Sorry, not biting.  Zhade   Oct-29-10 01:21 AM   #40 
     - Just post a link.  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 11:51 AM   #97 
  - An excerpt from a US News article published in late August.  Kaleva   Oct-29-10 12:29 AM   #17 
  - Now That IS One Prediction That Is SPOT ON! I Live Here, I Know What  ChiciB1   Oct-29-10 12:04 PM   #107 
     - I've been saying all along that Meek did not campaign but it has been  1monster   Oct-30-10 12:00 AM   #185 
  - Question 2. What viable progressive, have Democrats  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 12:30 AM   #18 
  - Well I guess that all depends on what you mean by "viable"...  readmoreoften   Oct-29-10 12:37 AM   #21 
  - Viable means, any candidate  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 12:39 AM   #22 
     - That's one hell of a subjective standard you're proposing.  Zhade   Oct-29-10 01:23 AM   #41 
        - The meme was that Obama wasn't electable,  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 11:48 AM   #94 
        - That wasn't the meme. Meek did not campaign. I wanted to vote for the Dem in this  1monster   Oct-30-10 12:07 AM   #186 
  - in '06 a lot fell for Lieberman's scare tactics and abandoned Ned Lamont...  Blue_Tires   Oct-30-10 05:40 PM   #199 
  - I find it quite interesting that the same folks who have  myrna minx   Oct-29-10 12:37 AM   #20 
  - THANK you.  Zhade   Oct-29-10 01:16 AM   #37 
  - exactly. Crist is a right wing Republican, "Independent" in name only.  inna   Oct-29-10 02:01 AM   #48 
  - Boy, that's a stretch.  Skidmore   Oct-29-10 08:39 AM   #62 
  - +1  Poboy   Oct-29-10 10:24 AM   #86 
  - Myrna, how many people here advocate against Democrats/the President and  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 11:53 AM   #100 
  - hypocrisy has a way of hoisting folks on their own petards.  nashville_brook   Oct-29-10 11:04 PM   #179 
  - No none has ever had that right, and I laugh in the face of anyone who claims it.  Joe Fields   Oct-29-10 12:42 AM   #25 
  - Fair enough!  Zhade   Oct-29-10 01:17 AM   #38 
  - Q. 3 ~ Does this also mean that some here no longer have the right to suggest DU-ers care more about  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 12:50 AM   #26 
  - Molly, are you really going to claim that the pro Crist  myrna minx   Oct-29-10 01:30 AM   #43 
     - I live here  Mojorabbit   Oct-29-10 03:18 AM   #52 
     - He was not viable as soon as he was abandoned by the party.  myrna minx   Oct-29-10 08:17 AM   #56 
        - That is not so  Mojorabbit   Oct-29-10 01:40 PM   #126 
     - a side note, meeks isn't viable because of what DU Admins say, he's not viable because his campaign  dionysus   Oct-29-10 11:02 AM   #88 
     - I'm asking where  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 11:46 AM   #93 
  - "Meek: Clinton didn't convince me to drop Sen. bid"  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 12:55 AM   #27 
  - I have never argued against voting for viable Greens.  Unvanguard   Oct-29-10 01:08 AM   #33 
  - That's fine. You didn't create the DU rule that explicitly said 'no third-party candidates'.  Zhade   Oct-29-10 01:18 AM   #39 
     - I don't know how the admins would react to a viable Green Party candidate.  Unvanguard   Oct-29-10 09:31 AM   #77 
     - There have also been posts (not op's) supporting Chafee in RI. nt  kelly1mm   Oct-29-10 06:26 PM   #148 
  - It may be a case of loyalty to the Party as a whole then to any one candidate  Kaleva   Oct-29-10 01:24 AM   #42 
  - There's no rule against advocating whoever you want during the primaries.  Zhade   Oct-29-10 01:33 AM   #45 
     - I do see where you are coming from  Kaleva   Oct-29-10 01:56 AM   #47 
        - Meek's the Dem. Crist isn't. Seems pretty clear-cut to me.  Zhade   Oct-29-10 02:09 AM   #49 
        - They should edit that to read "not... work for the defeat of the DLC or "independent" R candidate"  AlabamaLibrul   Oct-29-10 03:50 AM   #54 
  - damn right. k&r  inna   Oct-29-10 01:54 AM   #46 
  - 'By showing your own disloyalty, you've made your argument a joke.'  Bluebear   Oct-29-10 02:32 AM   #50 
  - It's as hypocritical as defending the wars since 2009.  rug   Oct-29-10 05:55 AM   #55 
  - Why are you insisting that the Republicans must always win and we must always go down in defeat?  NJmaverick   Oct-29-10 08:24 AM   #57 
  - Crist is a Republican.  Odin2005   Oct-29-10 08:39 AM   #63 
  - Who is running as an independent and would cacaos with the Dems  NJmaverick   Oct-29-10 08:40 AM   #64 
     - Do you honestly think that a Republican will caucus with the Dems  MadHound   Oct-29-10 09:31 AM   #76 
        - Are you talking about Senator Arlen Specter  NJmaverick   Oct-29-10 12:13 PM   #110 
  - Chain Gang Charlie Crist is a right wing Republican. I think his fan club is calling for a Democrat  TheKentuckian   Oct-29-10 08:44 AM   #67 
     - Your plan ensures the REPUBLICANS a VICTORY  NJmaverick   Oct-29-10 08:47 AM   #68 
        - Your's certainly insures just such an event. Chaingang Charlie is a rightwing Republican.  TheKentuckian   Oct-29-10 10:06 AM   #81 
           - There is no way for the Dem to win  NJmaverick   Oct-29-10 12:14 PM   #111 
              - Your point was that My strategy would allow a REPUBLICAN to win.  TheKentuckian   Oct-29-10 12:25 PM   #112 
                 - The point is you want the Republicans to win and have a non-independent  NJmaverick   Oct-29-10 12:57 PM   #117 
                    - No, it is you who are carrying water for a Republican. Charlie Crist ain't new to me.  TheKentuckian   Oct-29-10 02:54 PM   #137 
  - Yup. the hypocrisy is disgusting.  Odin2005   Oct-29-10 08:29 AM   #58 
  - how about you guys build a state party that doesn't suck and keeps sending rethugs to washington?  dionysus   Oct-29-10 08:34 AM   #59 
  - You've been played....  Skidmore   Oct-29-10 08:38 AM   #61 
  - "Weasel" is his middle name! DAMN, I would love it if Meek  jonnyblitz   Oct-29-10 08:43 AM   #65 
  - My feelings exactly.  Bluenorthwest   Oct-29-10 08:53 AM   #70 
  - Damn -- I wish I could rec this more than once.  AngryOldDem   Oct-29-10 08:56 AM   #71 
  - I think I understand the confusion.  Skinner   Oct-29-10 08:56 AM   #72 
  - Is Crist a progressive?  boston bean   Oct-29-10 09:24 AM   #74 
  - For the purposes of my argument, "progressive" is a matter of degree.  Skinner   Oct-29-10 09:38 AM   #79 
  - So if there is a three way race for the presidency in 2012  boston bean   Oct-29-10 01:32 PM   #125 
     - Let's wait two years and see where we stand in October 2012.  Skinner   Oct-29-10 01:54 PM   #130 
        - I understand it's a long shot and not likely, Skinner, but the scenario is the same.  boston bean   Oct-29-10 01:58 PM   #131 
        - Yes, I understand that the scenario -- if it were to happen -- would be the same.  Skinner   Oct-29-10 02:10 PM   #132 
           - I continue to understand your essential premise, but I still see it as a *very* slippery slope  Stinky The Clown   Oct-29-10 05:16 PM   #146 
              - "so talking about it is just masturbation"  boston bean   Oct-29-10 06:43 PM   #153 
              - FWIW, most of the stuff we talk about here is just masturbation.  Skinner   Oct-29-10 07:16 PM   #158 
              - The difference between Florida and Alaska...  Skinner   Oct-29-10 07:14 PM   #157 
              - when crist got governor, I thought he would lean left (and come out) - he has NOT  2Design   Oct-29-10 10:39 PM   #177 
              - I ALMOST voted for Crist for Governor four years ago.  Dr.Phool   Oct-29-10 11:45 PM   #183 
        - "Progressive" isn't just a content-free term that's applied on sliding scale.  stranger81   Oct-29-10 04:25 PM   #144 
           - No, your analogy doesn't work, because it assumes progressivism is not matter of degree  BzaDem   Oct-29-10 11:22 PM   #181 
  - I Live Here & As One Who Actually Campaigned Against Crist For Governor,  ChiciB1   Oct-29-10 12:41 PM   #115 
  - +1000  alcibiades_mystery   Oct-29-10 10:12 AM   #83 
  - Beautifully  mzmolly   Oct-29-10 12:02 PM   #106 
  - well  BeFree   Oct-30-10 01:11 AM   #188 
  - No, Skinner, I am not confused. You are allowing a hypocritical double standard.  Zhade   Oct-30-10 04:01 PM   #194 
     - uh, yeah  BeFree   Oct-30-10 04:48 PM   #198 
  - Pffft...half the people here lost that right when they started rah-rahing drone attacks  tjwash   Oct-29-10 09:02 AM   #73 
  - Well said. Thank you.  sally cat   Oct-29-10 07:22 PM   #159 
  - There is one thing I like about this Meek-Crist-Rubio dust up  MadHound   Oct-29-10 09:33 AM   #78 
  - Let's see how often they trot out the Nader bogeyman after this display of "party loyalty".  Tierra_y_Libertad   Oct-29-10 10:13 AM   #84 
  - Jebby Will Wipe Palin's Ass & Do It Without Batting An Eyelash!  ChiciB1   Oct-29-10 01:05 PM   #120 
  - Wow, great post. My first post here was about how shocked I am at the treatment of Meek here.  sally cat   Oct-29-10 07:26 PM   #160 
  - A lot of DUers are as loyal to the Democratic Party as Democratic leaders are loyal to their base.  progressoid   Oct-29-10 10:05 AM   #80 
  - As usual  alcibiades_mystery   Oct-29-10 10:08 AM   #82 
  - +1000000  dionysus   Oct-29-10 11:00 AM   #87 
  - +10000 nt  Mojorabbit   Oct-29-10 01:49 PM   #128 
  - Seems you missed the point. Figures.  Zhade   Oct-30-10 04:08 PM   #196 
  - Skinner's post on this very subject...  SidDithers   Oct-29-10 10:19 AM   #85 
  - The same people who insist that we "hold our nose" and vote for conservative Dems  Lorien   Oct-29-10 11:08 AM   #89 
  - THANK YOU Lorien... And YOU Are Not Alone. And As One Who Lives  ChiciB1   Oct-29-10 12:51 PM   #116 
  - But you're not being PRAGMATIC.  Hell Hath No Fury   Oct-29-10 11:08 AM   #90 
  - Sorry, but this is a load of crap...  TreasonousBastard   Oct-29-10 11:45 AM   #92 
  - That's a piss poor argument . n/t  Fire1   Oct-29-10 11:59 AM   #104 
  - That's a piss poor argument. n/t  Fire1   Oct-29-10 12:01 PM   #105 
  - "the nonsense of principles"  donco6   Oct-29-10 12:40 PM   #114 
  - There's also Obama's reluctance to endorse the Rhode Island Democrat  Valienteman   Oct-29-10 11:51 AM   #98 
  - In agreement with you.  Dappleganger   Oct-29-10 11:57 AM   #101 
  - I Consider Myself A Liberal, Always Have... More Liberal Than Many Here  ChiciB1   Oct-29-10 01:00 PM   #118 
     - On Edit... I Won't Say I'm Completely Correct About How Crist Will Do...  ChiciB1   Oct-29-10 01:01 PM   #119 
  - Well said, Zhade! I've been sayin this for the last month. n/t  Fire1   Oct-29-10 11:57 AM   #102 
  - I've always thought...  Iggo   Oct-29-10 12:05 PM   #108 
  - +10000  Dappleganger   Oct-29-10 01:07 PM   #121 
  - Well, unlike the (EEK!) Greens, Crist can't be called "too liberal". K&R  Tierra_y_Libertad   Oct-29-10 01:08 PM   #122 
  - Viable Green vs. Weak Dem vs. Tea Party  Catbird   Oct-29-10 01:32 PM   #124 
  - Yep  BeFree   Oct-29-10 01:45 PM   #127 
  - I also don't envy the choice that Florida folks have to make.  political_Dem   Oct-29-10 02:17 PM   #134 
  - Zhade, you & I often disagree, but I believe I'm going to have to come down on your side on this one  apocalypsehow   Oct-29-10 02:36 PM   #135 
  - I can... I voted early and voted for Meek  RagAss   Oct-29-10 02:38 PM   #136 
  - OK go start your own board  intaglio   Oct-29-10 03:36 PM   #139 
  - You are assuming that Crist would vote significantly differently than Rubio..  Fumesucker   Oct-29-10 03:40 PM   #140 
  - Hang on sunshine. Florida is my state too and Meek is in effect putting a monster in office. nt  pgodbold   Oct-29-10 03:44 PM   #141 
  - That's too bad. n/t  Fire1   Oct-29-10 03:48 PM   #142 
  - Yeah, damn that uppity democrat!  Dappleganger   Oct-29-10 10:05 PM   #172 
     - He wasn't "uppity" at all! Would that he had been! He did NO campaigning at all.  1monster   Oct-30-10 12:52 AM   #187 
  - 250,000 Florida Democrats voted for George W. Bush in 2000 and Ralph Nader was blamed for that!!  Better Believe It   Oct-29-10 04:09 PM   #143 
  - Even Bill Clinton tried to get Meeks to drop out and apparantly  MadMaddie   Oct-29-10 06:30 PM   #150 
  - Crist is not a Blue Dog! He's not a Democrat of any kind.  Bluenorthwest   Oct-29-10 06:41 PM   #152 
     - My point is if he were to caucus with the Dems he would not  MadMaddie   Oct-29-10 07:07 PM   #154 
  - Recommended.  H2O Man   Oct-29-10 06:36 PM   #151 
  - I love it when those who don't live in a particular state start issuing orders, decrees & ultimatums  WolverineDG   Oct-29-10 07:10 PM   #156 
  - Thank you for a brilliant, well thought out post. This situation is shameful. Mr. Meek deserves our  sally cat   Oct-29-10 07:31 PM   #162 
  - The days of party loyalty are numbered  crikkett   Oct-29-10 08:55 PM   #163 
  - The election in Florida is much like the election in Alaska.  Blue_In_AK   Oct-29-10 09:38 PM   #164 
  - "But I don't ever, EVER want to hear another demand..."  LoZoccolo   Oct-29-10 09:52 PM   #165 
  - And what are you going to do, "tough guy", spank us? Insult us to death?  TheWatcher   Oct-29-10 09:56 PM   #166 
  - Alert splinterist posts so they get deleted.  LoZoccolo   Oct-29-10 09:58 PM   #167 
     - Ah, good, I can go back to sleep now.  TheWatcher   Oct-29-10 10:00 PM   #169 
        - I'm not the one telling people they better not say this or that...  LoZoccolo   Oct-29-10 10:03 PM   #171 
           - Looks like all their posts are still here.  TheWatcher   Oct-29-10 10:05 PM   #173 
              - I don't usually alert on every personal attack against me. n/t  LoZoccolo   Oct-29-10 10:18 PM   #176 
  - I'll point right back to this whole debacle.  Zhade   Oct-30-10 04:15 PM   #197 
  - Uh, excuse me?  derby378   Oct-29-10 09:59 PM   #168 
  - big k and r. the system needs to be reformed to allow for runoffs to end spoilers.  nashville_brook   Oct-29-10 10:56 PM   #178 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-29-10 11:14 PM   #180 
  - Though actually, of course, they absolutely have that right, because this is a private message board  BzaDem   Oct-29-10 11:26 PM   #182 
  - *cough*  Zhade   Oct-30-10 03:21 PM   #189 
  - What R U talking about, we've always been the party of the lesser-evil!  JJ   Oct-30-10 03:29 PM   #191 
  - Wish I Wasn't Too Late To Rec, But I Can Give This A Kick :)  Dinger   Oct-30-10 04:05 PM   #195 
  - uh, yes we do  mkultra   Oct-30-10 05:51 PM   #200 
 

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